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TombRaider 07-02-2011 02:11 PM

Best way to lift 3"?
 
I only want to lift my 2003 Rubicon 3" and run 31's for now and possibly 33's later with some new gears and flat fenders. My question is which of the following two ways would you recommend lifting: First would be a one inch body lift and motor mount lift with a two inch suspension lift. The second would be just a three inch suspension lift. I'm going with BDS on the lift because I like the lifetime warranty they offer. The advantage I see to the first method is closer to factory geometry and most likely I will not need to replace the driveline because of vibrations with the MM lift. I also would be able to later add a tummy tuck although at this time I doubt I would be doing that so it is not a major consideration. The second method I see only a slight advantage in suspension travel. The cost of the new driveline would be offset by not having to do the BL and MML. The other advantage to the first method is that with funds being limited I can do it in phases with the BL and MML first and if I do the suspension lift only then I have to save for quite a while before I can do anything. So I guess what I am really asking is if there is any distinct advantage to doing the suspension lift only and waiting?

nick50471 07-02-2011 02:19 PM

Don't buy a lift because they offer a lifetime warranty. That is BS marketing at its finest.

Your plan on doing the BL & MML first is a good decision. The suspension lift can wait until you have the funds. Then the TT is perfect. You will have a nice rig when its done.

jrussblues 07-02-2011 02:40 PM

1st route, if you're running 31's though you can hold off on the body lift, its going to start making your tires look small.
I run the 2" bb, and a 1" bl with a belly up.
The first pic is with the 2 " and 31's. 2nd pic is with the added body lift and 33's.

TombRaider 07-02-2011 02:40 PM

Thanks Nick. I didn't choose BDS just because of the warranty, that was just a bonus. I looked at all the manufacturers that offer 2" lifts (Rancho, Skyjacker, OME, BDS and others) and based on as many reviews as I could find I narrowed it down to OME and BDS. I may still end up with the OME if I go the BL/MML route since I would have more time to think about the lift. BDS is the only one that offered the 3" lift.

kjeeper10 07-02-2011 02:41 PM

2" BB and 1.25 BL & MML :)

Edit ^^ these guys beat me to it :)

jrussblues 07-02-2011 02:41 PM

Teraflex offers a 3"

TombRaider 07-02-2011 02:50 PM

Thanks for all the quick responses. Unless someone can give me a definite reason to go with the all suspension lift then I guess it will be the BL/MML suspension route.

TombRaider 07-02-2011 02:53 PM

kjeeper10, I thought about the BB but since it is a 2003 I am due for some new springs anyway so I might as well get the 2" spring lift instead.

kjeeper10 07-02-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TombRaider
kjeeper10, I thought about the BB but since it is a 2003 I am due for some new springs anyway so I might as well get the 2" spring lift instead.

Why new springs? My 01's are stock and still holding up fine (160,000) :)

NCJeepin 07-02-2011 03:04 PM

I have the 3" BDS suspension lift as of yesterday. I like it so far and it rides as good or a little better than stock. I also have the Old Man Emu steering stabilizer, 3/4" spacers in the front, and ZJ V8 tie rod. I'm putting 33s on next week. I went with the 3" because I can run 33s on it by itself. I do, however, eventually plan on running a JKS 1.25" BL and MML sometime in the future so I can reduce my t-case drop. Good luck with your decision.:)

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 1348410)
Why new springs? My 01's are stock and still holding up fine (160,000) :)

Ok you caught me! ;) Maybe not "needed" but I want to do new springs with the lift to avoid having to do them later and I want different spring rates.

jrussblues 07-02-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TombRaider
Thanks for all the quick responses. Unless someone can give me a definite reason to go with the all suspension lift then I guess it will be the BL/MML suspension route.

If you are planning on doing a tummy tuck down the line then don't waste your money on the mml, just drop your fan shroud, most kits include them. When you do your tummy tuck you will likely have to replace the mml then with a different size. If you do a 1" mml you engine will end up stuffed into your firewall with the tuck and you will have to remove it anyway. Also, your rubicon will not need the mml to reduce vibes, as you have a longer drive shaft and no slip yoke with that model.

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jrussblues (Post 1348433)
If you are planning on doing a tummy tuck down the line then don't waste your money on the mml, just drop your fan shroud, most kits include them. When you do your tummy tuck you will likely have to replace the mml then with a different size. If you do a 1" mml you engine will end up stuffed into your firewall with the tuck and you will have to remove it anyway. Also, your rubicon will not need the mml to reduce vibes, as you have a longer drive shaft and no slip yoke with that model.

Thanks again! I didn't even think about that. Just saved me the cost of the MML.

kjeeper10 07-02-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TombRaider

Ok you caught me! ;) Maybe not "needed" but I want to do new springs with the lift to avoid having to do them later and I want different spring rates.

Lol, Gotcha.

Most I see have a "budget" or a wife :hide:
so the money is not available. It gets expensive, quick!!

I love my cheap 2" BB. I do plan on a BL but can't Justify the money I would need to spend. I just bought new tires so I don't feel like spending more money on bigger ones. Plus if you don't re gear you lose on performance and MPG's :(

Can u tell I'm cheap?

Good luck on your planned attack :)

Jeep = empty bank account :thumb:

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:23 PM

M.O.R.E. has a body lift that includes replacement factory bushings and 1" alluminum spacers or Daystar has a one piece spacer that is one inch longer than the factory original. I thought of going with one of these two since replacing the factory bushings seems like a good idea since it is already going to be apart. Would the Daystar one piece all poly bushing cause any excessive body roll versus the lower poly with 1" alluminum spacer?

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 1348454)
Lol, Gotcha.

Most I see have a "budget" or a wife :hide:
so the money is not available. It gets expensive, quick!!

I love my cheap 2" BB. I do plan on a BL but can't Justify the money I would need to spend. I just bought new tires so I don't feel like spending more money on bigger ones. Plus if you don't re gear you lose on performance and MPG's :(

Can u tell I'm cheap?

Good luck on your planned attack :)

Jeep = empty bank account :thumb:

I have both a wife and a budget!! LOL I just know that in the long run I will end up spending more if I don't do it the way I want the first time. I can't afford to re gear either that is why I am sticking with the 31's for now. It really looks like I will be starting with the body lift and later the suspension since no one thinks the suspension only is the way to go.

kjeeper10 07-02-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TombRaider

I have both a wife and a budget!! LOL I just know that in the long run I will end up spending more if I don't do it the way I want the first time. I can't afford to re gear either that is why I am sticking with the 31's for now. It really looks like I will be starting with the body lift and later the suspension since no one thinks the suspension only is the way to go.

Why not? Did I miss something?

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 1348485)
Why not? Did I miss something?

My original question was whether to go with a 1" body lift and 2" suspension versus a straight 3" suspension. No one has recommended the suspension only route so far.

kjeeper10 07-02-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TombRaider

My original question was whether to go with a 1" body lift and 2" suspension versus a straight 3" suspension. No one has recommended the suspension only route so far.

I understand now. (I think) the higher the SL the more modifications you need. Most go with a BL anyhow to add on to what they got. Turns out to be less work and cheaper in the long run.

TombRaider 07-02-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 1348519)
I understand now. (I think) the higher the SL the more modifications you need. Most go with a BL anyhow to add on to what they got. Turns out to be less work and cheaper in the long run.

That's what I was thinking. I can afford the body lift now and it's not something I have to remove (i.e.-money wasted) later as I do further upgrades. That's what I love about jeeps, a number of different ways to achieve the same objective. Thanks to all for the advise, I really appreciate it!

jrussblues 07-02-2011 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TombRaider

Ok you caught me! ;) Maybe not "needed" but I want to do new springs with the lift to avoid having to do them later and I want different spring rates.

If you get a bb with rear bump stops like the one that rubicon express used to offer then you don't have to worry about tearing up your fenders if you stuff the wheels. If you get springs then you have to worry about adding bump stops.

jrussblues 07-02-2011 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TombRaider

My original question was whether to go with a 1" body lift and 2" suspension versus a straight 3" suspension. No one has recommended the suspension only route so far.

To do a budget boost right costs about 2-250 for a decent bb I added a front adjustable trac bar (bds) for about 130 and did the work myself. A 3" done right will probably put you around 7-800 after you adjust everything, buy extra parts like a pitman arm and shocks if the kit doesn't include them, and tweak all of the kinks out of it. I myself didn't plan on running 33's but after I did my belly up I had to add the bl for engine/exhaust clearance and the tires just didn't fit the set up anymore.

Also, because I did the belly up the bl was straight forward. I didn't have to adjust shift linkages or anything else because it brought everything back in line with where it should be. Factor in adjustin 4wd linkage at a minimum if you get a bl with no other modifications.

trobs98TJ 07-04-2011 03:20 PM

3" lift
 
Have you considered lifting it using Zj V-8 springs in the front and your stock front springs in the rear? This is supposed to lift it 3", you should get a rear track bar bracket, new links and adjustable front track bar. I'm putting my lift together right now and should be able to do the whole thing for under $200 of which I will make most of that back when I sell my 3"bb. Just another suggestion to stress over, good luck.


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