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necromancer_tat 07-02-2011 10:27 PM

Painted fender flares part 2.
 
After my first fender flare post where I painted the drivers side flares while they where still on my Jeep and I masked off around them, I got a sugestion to remove the flares before painting them as this would be easier.
I guess I should have done some more research before doing this because I'm pretty sure that I did everything wrong...
First off there are a couple different style of bolts/screw that hold a TJ's fender flares on... One is more of a screw with a bolt head, and it threads into a rectangle plastic nut for lack of a better term, behind the fender.. these are actually really easy to get to if you know that you need to remove the rear inner fender... which I prolly would've found out if I would've did a little more reasearch.. but I didn't, I just jumped right in with both feet, and minutes later I was cussing and the bolt just kept spinning and wouldn't come out unless I pulled really hard on the flare at the same time I ratched the bolt head.. Time consuming and frustrating to say the least...
Here's a pic of the different fastners. The fine thread ones go into nutserts of some kind installed from the factory through the sheetmetal, the coarser threaded fasteners are the ones that have the plastic nuts behine the fender.
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4566/73337321.jpg
My now flareless TJ.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6905/31341131.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3884/76910620.jpg
It looks kinda neat like this, but it wouldn't come close to passing a Virgina safety inspection...
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5060/27794572.jpg

necromancer_tat 07-02-2011 10:28 PM

On the front fender, this bolt/nustsert would only spin round and round... I ended up pulling out on the flare really hard and spinning the nut with a ratchet hoping it would eventually grab and unthread, but instead the flare kinda peeled around the bolt heas and washer and came off in my hand...
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5553/42153003.jpg
I ended up taking a pair of side cutters and grabing the insert and pried it through the fender leaving a fairly large hole.
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3107/63020094.jpg
This is what came out of the hole...
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/456/81324917.jpg
This is what I ended up using to plug the hole when I reatached the flare...
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3539/29626443.jpg

necromancer_tat 07-02-2011 10:28 PM

This is the second flare I painted today, I painted the first one while in the process of removing the second one and used the time between to alow the paint to dry to where it was ok to handle.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4073/84589283.jpg
While I was painting the second flare, I used the front bumper to support the first painted flare so it could dry a bit more before I installed it.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2071/45453273.jpg
Then while I was waiting for that paint to dry I reinstalled the rear flare... This is when I figured out that removing the inner fender would've made uninstalling the flare a million times easier than the way I did it, lol.
After I installed the rear flare, the front flare was dry enough to be handled and I installed it as well.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7356/47298216.jpg
Doesn't look to badly in my opinion...
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9955/55097423.jpg

necromancer_tat 07-02-2011 10:29 PM

Here's the finished rear flare.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7848/36110392.jpg
I painted my rocker guards today as well, also with Fusion paint to match the flares.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9689/85728080.jpg
And here's the finished front flare.
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1084/95210206.jpg
So now I have done the drivers side of my Jeep by taping out and masking when I repainted those 2 flares, and the passenger side by removing them, painting them and then reinstalling...
Which way is better? I would say that removing them and then painting is the better way to do it, but I think that masking them out with tape and newspaper is the easier way after having done it both ways... Even if I hadn't had to fight with the fastners like I did, there's not much room inside the flares for a ratchet head and socket and it's a real pain to get even the cooperating fasteners to come out.
If I ever have to do this again I will just mask them out with tape and newspaper :)

necromancer_tat 07-02-2011 11:42 PM

How do I edit a thread after I've already posted it? I reread my post and would like to correct some spelling mistakes, but the only options I now have are to reply, to quote, or to multi quote... the edit selection doesn't appear for me as far as I can see right now... Maybe I don't know the secret.. although I just posted this reply and afterwards I could see an edit selection... maybe my older posts aren't editable now for some reason?

Zetsumei 07-02-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat (Post 1349261)
How do I edit a thread after I've already posted it? I reread my post and would like to correct some spelling mistakes, but the only options I now have are to reply, to quote, or to multi quote... the edit selection doesn't appear for me as far as I can see right now... Maybe I don't know the secret.. although I just posted this reply and afterwards I could see an edit selection... maybe my older posts aren't editable now for some reason?

The mods made it to where we can only edit posts for like 15 minutes after the post was originally posted. Sorry man. I didn't think any of the mistakes were that bad. Your flares and jeep look good though! :thumb:

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei (Post 1349271)
The mods made it to where we can only edit posts for like 15 minutes after the post was originally posted. Sorry man. I didn't think any of the mistakes were that bad. Your flares and jeep look good though! :thumb:

Thanks for the info and the compliments as well :) I just wanted to correct some spelling mistakes I made... I swear I hit the right keys when I'm typing, but I think maybe my keyboard is wearing out... I watch my fingers when I type instead of watching the screen... and then when I go back and reread something I posted I notice that I left out a letter here and there...

leprachaun 07-03-2011 12:28 AM

That is a sexy rig and nice job on the flares. I just did mine with the tape and spray method. Turned out as well as I had hoped.

What rocker guards are those?

raiders961 07-03-2011 01:38 AM

Had to LOL I did the same thing when I changed my flares, scrached my hands good doing one side then figured it out on the next nice Jeep to.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by leprachaun (Post 1349316)
That is a sexy rig and nice job on the flares. I just did mine with the tape and spray method. Turned out as well as I had hoped.

What rocker guards are those?

I'm not sure, they had so many stickers on them of various different brands... as far as I could guess they might be Spider trax, but considering the front and rear bumpers are homemade, and most of the rock cage is home made, I wouldn't doubt if the rocker guards on it are homemade as well..

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by raiders961 (Post 1349401)
Had to LOL I did the same thing when I changed my flares, scrached my hands good doing one side then figured it out on the next nice Jeep to.

I wish I would've known the rear inner fender came out so easily, that would've saved me a lot of frustration, lol :facepalm:

Thanks for the compliments!

kihun 07-03-2011 03:15 PM

im doing the same thing. my color is fading away

RedBaron87 07-11-2011 09:44 PM

I just did this last weekend, and I ran into some similar problems. I didn't have a ratchet to remove the screws where you hold the little rectangular piece to take the screw out, I ended up having to use an allen wrench with an adapter on one end instead. Spent a long time in the sun doing all this, but the end result was totally worth it! Liked your idea using the "xmas tree's" instead of using the original screws, definitely doing that whenever I decide to repaint them in the future!

Denalisdad 07-12-2011 01:34 AM

I just took the right rear flare off of mine yesterday. The previous owner had spray painted the flares with regular 'ol dollar store black spray paint, and didn't even spring for a roll of masking tape. This left a mess of overspray all over the place, and peeling paint on the flares. After taking off the right rear flare I wet-sanded the entire side carefully with 1200 sandpaper to remove the black spray paint and overspray, but not the factory clearcoat. Now to buff out that side of the tub, then strip the flare and paint it again, the right way. Gotta do this four times, as I get the time. I think I'm gonna try your fastener idea on reinstalling them again. Looks much easier, even though I cheated and used my air ratchet for removal. You did a nice job there. Hope mine looks that good when finished.

necromancer_tat 07-12-2011 03:12 AM

Just throwing this out there for others who do this, I only used 2 christmas trees total, and that was just where the factory installed nutserts broke, the rest of the fender is held on by the rest of the factory hardware. I wouldn't recomend trying to hold the whole fender on using xmas trees as it might end up flying off your Jeep while traveling on the highway.

dfry 07-12-2011 01:13 PM

I took my fenders off to install my rock sliders and to paint them. The screws with nylon nuts were just fine, and easy to remove with fender liner removed. I ended up grinding off nearly all the rivnuts & bolts, however. What a pain...but now taking off the flare will be a breeze next time. I drilled out the rivnut holes to 3/8" and replaced the bolts with 7/16" nylon push rivets. Way easier to work with and the fenders don't move at highway speeds.

necromancer_tat 07-12-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dfry (Post 1373576)
I took my fenders off to install my rock sliders and to paint them. The screws with nylon nuts were just fine, and easy to remove with fender liner removed. I ended up grinding off nearly all the rivnuts & bolts, however. What a pain...but now taking off the flare will be a breeze next time. I drilled out the rivnut holes to 3/8" and replaced the bolts with 7/16" nylon push rivets. Way easier to work with and the fenders don't move at highway speeds.

Thanks for the advice, I'll look into that in the future. Could you post a pic of a push rivet? Is that similar to what everyone calls a x-mas tree?

jjmontess 07-12-2011 04:44 PM

Just be careful if you ever decide to "tape off" the flares when waxing your Jeep. Masking tape can pull off the new paint if you keep it on there too long. I know from first-hand experience on that one.

necromancer_tat 07-12-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmontess (Post 1374032)
Just be careful if you ever decide to "tape off" the flares when waxing your Jeep. Masking tape can pull off the new paint if you keep it on there too long. I know from first-hand experience on that one.

That's good advice! Thanks! :thumb: I don't have much use for wax on my Jeeps, the paint is faded, the hood and top of the fenders are primer... but I'm sure it will help others who have prettier Jeeps than I do :punk:

dfry 07-12-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat

Thanks for the advice, I'll look into that in the future. Could you post a pic of a push rivet? Is that similar to what everyone calls a x-mas tree?

I don't have a picture of the exact one I used, but this Nylon Rivet is similar. The "Christmas Tree" style I believe is similar to Push-In Rivet.

necromancer_tat 07-12-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dfry (Post 1374381)
I don't have a picture of the exact one I used, but this Nylon Rivet is similar. The "Christmas Tree" style I believe is similar to Push-In Rivet.

Cool deal, I've used both of those before in the past, but usually only on dashboard parts. I wouldn't trust either of them to hold up if they were the only fasteners holding my flares on.

Denalisdad 07-13-2011 12:44 AM

Yeah, I'm thinkin' the push-in rivets will be good to replace the front two bolts on each of the rear flares. Probably reuse the original screws & plastic nuts on the rest.

RedBaron87 07-14-2011 01:33 AM

Originally I took off my front fender flares, was a hassle but it turned out great. I tried leaving my rear flares on and taped around it, but using bed liner it didn't work out too well. As I pulled the tape off the liner started coming with it (as jjmontess said) and ruined the job. I ended up having to remove both rear flares, sanding them down, washing/priming all over again. In the end it is worth it to just remove all four as oppose to leaving them on


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