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cedecker88 07-03-2011 01:21 PM

Wanting to trade an automatic tranny for a manual!
 
I have a 2005 Wrangler 4.0 automatic with 63000 miles and i want to trade for a manual. I'm willing to drive up to 500 miles in any direction from where i'm located and want to trade next month. But it was to be a complete trade computers tranmission pedal everything needed for each. I live in jacksonville NC so if Anyone is willing to trade please let me know and we can make it happen in august. Thanks

Jerry Bransford 07-03-2011 02:17 PM

Why? Most here want to go the other way, manual to an automatic because autos do so much better on the really tough trails. I converted my previous TJ from a 5-speed to an automatic which together with its f/r lockers, 4.88 gearing, and 35" tire turned it into an absolute beast offroad.

Provelogear 07-03-2011 02:44 PM

I'll have everything on a pallet in two weeks from a 6 speed.

UnlimitedLJ04 07-03-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cedecker88 (Post 1349998)
I have a 2005 Wrangler 4.0 automatic with 63000 miles and i want to trade for a manual. I'm willing to drive up to 500 miles in any direction from where i'm located and want to trade next month. But it was to be a complete trade computers tranmission pedal everything needed for each. I live in jacksonville NC so if Anyone is willing to trade please let me know and we can make it happen in august. Thanks

I understand your frustration with the 42RLE. But unforunately its an electrical nightmare to convert to a manual from the 42RLE since its 100% computer controlled.

AmericaOverland 07-03-2011 03:06 PM

I'll tell you one thing. You'll NEVER hear from me asking to buy your automatic. I'm waiting on my Scout to be done with its manual 4WD conversion (auto>manual), and I had been looking around for hard-to-find manual CR-Vs. If anything happens to either vehicle, I sure enough want a manual 4WD Jeep.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 1350113)
Why? Most here want to go the other way, manual to an automatic because autos do so much better on the really tough trails. I converted my previous TJ from a 5-speed to an automatic which together with its f/r lockers, 4.88 gearing, and 35" tire turned it into an absolute beast offroad.

Why do autos do better on tough trails? What kind of trails? I've had both, but I like autos better for sand and mud, and manuals better for hills and rocks.

KidRock171 07-03-2011 06:13 PM

3 pedals. 2 feet. Off camber situation = s.j.c.s.

Rogerg 07-03-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat (Post 1350365)
Why do autos do better on tough trails? What kind of trails? I've had both, but I like autos better for sand and mud, and manuals better for hills and rocks.

If you have both then you would know.

I do...and i love my auto better...it really comes down to preference.

Provelogear 07-03-2011 06:22 PM

Where Jerry wheels is mostly bad rocks. While he did well with the stick he quickly found out how much more control he had with an auto in the rocks after he did the swap.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 1350480)
3 pedals. 2 feet. Off camber situation = s.j.c.s.

One of the guy's I wheel with uses this in the rocks, it works really well for him using a 5 speed. Rubicon Express Hand Throttle - Trail Gear & Tools I rode with him on one section of trail and liked how it worked. I just let my Jeep idle and put it in what ever gear I think I'll need depending on what I'm wheeling on, then I just use my feet for the brake and the clutch, I might purchase a hand throttle though eventually.

AmericaOverland 07-03-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Provelogear (Post 1350495)
Where Jerry wheels is mostly bad rocks. While he did well with the stick he quickly found out how much more control he had with an auto in the rocks after he did the swap.


That's true, but it's not what I do. I cannot bear to tear up something so classic like a Jeep or a Scout... Even though you could treat it so carefully and articulate slowly. That's just too much money gone too fast for me. What about the original purpose of the Jeep? Using a manual through difficult terrain under enemy fire... Where's the challenge otherwise?

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KidRock171 07-03-2011 08:53 PM

I wish I had a manual to. Just for nostalgia. But autos off road better. So that's what I got. Cuz that's what it's for. My jeep at least.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 1350696)
I wish I had a manual to. Just for nostalgia. But autos off road better. So that's what I got. Cuz that's what it's for. My jeep at least.

Why do autos off road better? In what kind of conditions beside really soft sand, or really gooey mud?

Black Magic Brakes 07-03-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat (Post 1350365)
Why do autos do better on tough trails? What kind of trails? I've had both, but I like autos better for sand and mud, and manuals better for hills and rocks.

They don't do any better or worse than a manual does. It takes more money to play with a manual in the tough rocks, but better belongs to neither transmission.

I drive an auto, prefer them wholeheartedly, but both require good skill levels to navigate well in the rocks.

They are very similar to trap and skeet. One has a very steep learning curve, but once you figure it out, it's pretty easy after that. The other is easier and more forgiving, but requires a fine touch on the throttle and brake to keep the tires at the limit of adhesion.

KidRock171 07-03-2011 11:52 PM

They're not better. I believe they are easier. Poor wording my bad.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes (Post 1350978)
They don't do any better or worse than a manual does. It takes more money to play with a manual in the tough rocks, but better belongs to neither transmission.

I drive an auto, prefer them wholeheartedly, but both require good skill levels to navigate well in the rocks.

They are very similar to trap and skeet. One has a very steep learning curve, but once you figure it out, it's pretty easy after that. The other is easier and more forgiving, but requires a fine touch on the throttle and brake to keep the tires at the limit of adhesion.

I'm not familiar with trap and skeet except that I believe those are terms used for guns and target shooting/competitions... but maybe they are offroading terms I haven't heard about yet? :confused: It's been my experience in sand and mud that an auto is easier because it'll shift up before you loose momentum, and with a manual when you push in the clutch to upshift to a higher gear at least in sand it will almost bring you back to a stop.. mud's a little more forgiving, but it'll still make you loose a lot of momentum when you push the clutch in to shift gears... And I have many years experience drag racing with both manuals and autos, and I can tell you that no matter how fast you think you can shift, that sand will still make you look like a novice... Anytime on hard packed surfaces I perfer a stick shift, this is only my opinion, but I feal more connected to my rig, and what it is doing or wants to be doing... and to me a manual is way better for going up hills, and prolly the best at going down really steep descents... engine braking is in my opinion better with a manual than an auto in low gear can achieve...

KidRock171 07-03-2011 11:54 PM

^^^ not starting an argument. But if you want rpm control on an auto. There's a 1st and 2nd gear isolation on my auto. Just sayin.
Agree with engine brake whole heartedly.

necromancer_tat 07-03-2011 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 1351008)
They're not better. I believe they are easier. Poor wording my bad.

I can get behind the Auto's are easier statement, but I believe that manuals are more controllable in some situations.. I think both have their advantages, so I guess it would depend on what you would rather have and for what reasons as to weather it would be worth the effort of doing a complete swap or not.

necromancer_tat 07-04-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 1351010)
^^^ not starting an argument. But if you want rpm control on an auto. There's a 1st and 2nd gear isolation on my auto. Just sayin.
Agree with engine brake whole heartedly.

1st gear in an auto is way faster than 1st gear in a manual when you let the vehicle go down hill at the speed it wants to. It's not really that bad if you're in low range, but in an auto you'll find yourself hitting the brakes a lot to slow down, and if you're on a very steep descent that's borderline on endoing your Jeep you want to be really careful hitting the brakes.

KidRock171 07-04-2011 12:07 AM

I would once again like to state my argument was "auto is easier to drive offroad." Very slow speed.

thdrduck 07-04-2011 08:06 AM

I can recall several times when I had an automatic and wished I had a standard, but I can't recall even one time I had a standard and wished I had an automatic. I love to shift gears.

TJ-Q8 07-04-2011 09:09 AM

I just did my jeep. Auto to manual. I dont regret it only that the guy pu me a xj ax15 which is makes the front driveshaft to low and rear too high and the tc is touching the skid plate. I wil get a swap in soon. For offroaders with tough terrain and rockcrawling stay with the auto but for me its a dd and weeken warrior on sand soo i didnt think twoce.

jaank 07-04-2011 10:29 AM

auto is better offroad because you can more easily feather the brake to transfer torque from the spinning wheel to the wheel that has traction. With a clutch involved, your left foot will be operating that pedal, leaving the brake and the gas to your right foot.

Either way, I would never drive an automatic jeep.

Black Magic Brakes 07-04-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat (Post 1351026)
1st gear in an auto is way faster than 1st gear in a manual when you let the vehicle go down hill at the speed it wants to.

Really? So you'd tell us and have us believe that I can take a manual rig with factory 3:07's and 35" tires down a steep descent and that's the speed you want it to go?

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It's not really that bad if you're in low range, but in an auto you'll find yourself hitting the brakes a lot to slow down, and if you're on a very steep descent that's borderline on endoing your Jeep you want to be really careful hitting the brakes.
This misconception is very prevalent. Here is what is overlooked. When you are on that steep descent, it's only logical that your front and rear axles are locked together though the t-case which has no differentiation. They tires are locked together side to side through the locker.

That means that the engine, wheel brakes, pinion brakes, or you doing the Fred Flintstone thing against one tire will all have the same effect on vehicle speed and traction.

As far as your comment about hitting the brakes to slow down a lot, don't you use the throttle to go up the hill?

Black Magic Brakes 07-04-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jaank (Post 1351459)
auto is better offroad because you can more easily feather the brake to transfer torque from the spinning wheel to the wheel that has traction. With a clutch involved, your left foot will be operating that pedal, leaving the brake and the gas to your right foot.

Either way, I would never drive an automatic jeep.

Buy some lockers.

Black Magic Brakes 07-04-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TJ-Q8 (Post 1351337)
I just did my jeep. Auto to manual. I dont regret it only that the guy pu me a xj ax15 which is makes the front driveshaft to low and rear too high and the tc is touching the skid plate. I wil get a swap in soon. For offroaders with tough terrain and rockcrawling stay with the auto but for me its a dd and weeken warrior on sand soo i didnt think twoce.

Didn't I already tell you that the back of the XJ transmissions is clocked lower than the TJ transmissions and all you have to do is redrill the bolt pattern?

Black Magic Brakes 07-04-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by necromancer_tat (Post 1351009)
I'm not familiar with trap and skeet except that I believe those are terms used for guns and target shooting/competitions... but maybe they are offroading terms I haven't heard about yet? :confused: It's been my experience in sand and mud that an auto is easier because it'll shift up before you loose momentum, and with a manual when you push in the clutch to upshift to a higher gear at least in sand it will almost bring you back to a stop.. mud's a little more forgiving, but it'll still make you loose a lot of momentum when you push the clutch in to shift gears... And I have many years experience drag racing with both manuals and autos, and I can tell you that no matter how fast you think you can shift, that sand will still make you look like a novice... Anytime on hard packed surfaces I perfer a stick shift, this is only my opinion, but I feal more connected to my rig, and what it is doing or wants to be doing... and to me a manual is way better for going up hills, and prolly the best at going down really steep descents... engine braking is in my opinion better with a manual than an auto in low gear can achieve...

With a manual, about all you have to master is the ability to recognize when it's about to stall out and when to push in the clutch.

To do the same with an auto, just ease off the throttle.

As in trap and skeet which are shotgun sports, skeet is harder to learn like a novice struggles with the manual. As you get the hang of it though, then it's pretty much like driving a tractor.

The auto is easier to learn like hitting the targets in trap, but very difficult to master. Most think that with an auto, you plant your left foot on the dead pedal and just use the throttle. Not much is further from reality.

TJ-Q8 07-04-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes

Didn't I already tell you that the back of the XJ transmissions is clocked lower than the TJ transmissions and all you have to do is redrill the bolt pattern?

Yes you did and thank you. But i also have a prob inside the trans where the reverse is very hard to go in an it grinds cpnstantly. Plus 1st pop out alot causing a huge pop thats scares the crap out of me . Also to top it off the trans mout bolts where there is 4 bolts one of the holes is completely stripped. Iam though thinking about the redril but i have to find someone that does a good job here soo i can trust him but thats nearly imppssible. No one would wana work on it.

necromancer_tat 07-04-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes (Post 1351494)
With a manual, about all you have to master is the ability to recognize when it's about to stall out and when to push in the clutch.

To do the same with an auto, just ease off the throttle.

As in trap and skeet which are shotgun sports, skeet is harder to learn like a novice struggles with the manual. As you get the hang of it though, then it's pretty much like driving a tractor.

The auto is easier to learn like hitting the targets in trap, but very difficult to master. Most think that with an auto, you plant your left foot on the dead pedal and just use the throttle. Not much is further from reality.

There are a lot of different factors that come into play for both trans types, gearing, lockers vs limited slip, engine braking, what kind of terrain you're on, how fast you want to go, how strong your parts are and how much abuse they can take, and it could get even more complicated for example by running rear steer, or cut brakes... add in a twin stick transfer case and all of a sudden you've got levers everywhere...

necromancer_tat 07-04-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogerg (Post 1350494)
If you have both then you would know.

I do...and i love my auto better...it really comes down to preference.

I guess if I had one of each that was set up the same way to be able to do a back to back run on the same obstacles, I might also choose an auto over a manual. I'd have to give it the taste test for myself to be able to see which one I perfered. I was kinda hoping someone with experience could shine a little more light on the subject and brake it down in a technical way with some examples, I wasn't trying to stir up the pot. The reason I ask is because I eventually plan on doing an engine swap into my TJ, and I had considered going with an auto trans swap at the same time, but I've also considered sticking with my 5 speed and using an adapter for the new engine.


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