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rjk5828 07-11-2011 05:51 PM

The Protector / dealer finish and rust prevention
 
Just bought my new jeep, and I was wondering if the dealer Protector package is worth the cost. I want the jeep to stay rust free, my old jeep got a little rusty on the bottom of the doors on the inside, I want my new jeep to stay ruat free. Does anyone have experience with this?:surrender:

roxbury29 07-11-2011 07:06 PM

the add on's are not needed IMHO. all profit for the dealer. who was offering them, the salesperson, or finance person....

desertgoose 07-11-2011 07:21 PM

Pretty sure it's a scam. Somebody who works at a local dealer told me that it's basically a coat of wax. Still curious why it's included in most new vehicles here in Arizona where we don't even see snow.

matthew87 07-11-2011 08:00 PM

here ya go

Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0 Permanent Paint Coating FREE BONUS

Wardj 07-11-2011 08:53 PM

I'm a dealer and (whisper) don't get it. It's bogus it is a high profit source.

derfC 07-12-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wardj (Post 1371766)
I'm a dealer and (whisper) don't get it. It's bogus it is a high profit source.

Yep. I worked closely with F&I managers across the country with my old job (auto finance software) & heard pretty much the same thing from all of them: undercoating and 'Etch' are pure profit to them.

desertgoose 07-12-2011 11:08 AM

Don't forget the $500 pinstriping that they do at one of my local dealers. My ex used to work in accounting for 3 different dealers, learned a lot about how they work. Surprisingly I'm told dealerships make the bulk of their money from parts and service.

Wardj 07-12-2011 11:47 PM

Yeah I hate we offer the rust and dust

CG3 07-13-2011 12:30 AM

Wow... well, I got undercoating added on (dealer paid)... 'my last jeep rusted out so bad underneath... I live at 8000' in the Wasatch Mountains (up above SLC)... the roads are salted, salted in the city too. Utah gets a LOT of snow... After talking with other residents up here about the problem - found it's pretty common to undercoat, when new... keep checking for damage to undercoating (every time it's in for service and lifted so they can do so) - repairs done to chunks knocked out... and keep it clean. The keep it clean is a tough one, because a good portion of the winter, when I drive down to the city - it's below freezing.

That's the winter/spring. Then the summer/fall I'm at the west coast... with lots 'o salt air... probably going to get a cover for summer/fall... my last jeep was starting to rust on the hood too... :nonono:

desertgoose 07-13-2011 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CG3 (Post 1375377)
Wow... well, I got undercoating added on (dealer paid)... 'my last jeep rusted out so bad underneath... I live at 8000' in the Wasatch Mountains (up above SLC)... the roads are salted, salted in the city too. Utah gets a LOT of snow... After talking with other residents up here about the problem - found it's pretty common to undercoat, when new... keep checking for damage to undercoating (every time it's in for service and lifted so they can do so) - repairs done to chunks knocked out... and keep it clean. The keep it clean is a tough one, because a good portion of the winter, when I drive down to the city - it's below freezing.

That's the winter/spring. Then the summer/fall I'm at the west coast... with lots 'o salt air... probably going to get a cover for summer/fall... my last jeep was starting to rust on the hood too... :nonono:

I'm curious, did you know anyone who had the coating done that didn't have a rust problem? Never heard of this "protection" until I moved where rust protection is never needed. Obviously not worth paying for where it is not needed, yet offered at every dealer I've been to here.

Back in the cold, I used to go to the quarter pressure washer and leave the car running with the heater on and never had an issue with the neg temps. That was at least a weekly trip.

roxbury29 07-13-2011 08:52 AM

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CG3 07-14-2011 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by desertgoose (Post 1375405)
I'm curious, did you know anyone who had the coating done that didn't have a rust problem? Never heard of this "protection" until I moved where rust protection is never needed. Obviously not worth paying for where it is not needed, yet offered at every dealer I've been to here.

Back in the cold, I used to go to the quarter pressure washer and leave the car running with the heater on and never had an issue with the neg temps. That was at least a weekly trip.

Yes (I know folks that have had it done, and don't have the problem I had with rust - I won't say they don't have any problems... just not NEARLY the problems I had). That's why I had it done. Recommended by others that live up where I do. But they say it's important to keep it clean none-the-less... and keep a check on damage to the undercoating (my mechanic at the dealer told me that one, and will do it... - he's actually a great guy that has saved me lots of money over the years that I've dealt with him). Time will tell.

Wardj 07-15-2011 02:03 AM

I suggest if you are going to spend the money. Spend it having a spray on liner like linex it is more durable. No wax (and that is what the paint protection is) will keep out the salt and moisture.

Snowbucks 07-15-2011 07:06 AM

Rust is included
 
Rust is not an option on Jeep...its included in the sticker price.
I'd pay whatever they want (undercarrige, not paint) to coat. Would love bedliner, but thought about just taking it from the Dealer lot to MAACO and maybe have them spray the underside with clearcoat (?).

demarpaint 07-15-2011 07:16 AM

I coated my Liberty with Amsoil HD Metal Protectant, and I'm happy with the results. I plan on using Eureka Fluid Film on my Rubi when I get it. The trick is not to let rust start, then touch up once or twice a year.

SilverSport 07-15-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by demarpaint (Post 1381191)
The trick is not to let rust start, then touch up once or twice a year.

True, but even if some rust has started, a coat of paint or bedliner will slow it down. Although rust never sleeps it needs oxygen to keep the chemical reaction going.

steam 07-15-2011 08:22 AM

A former Jeep dealership owner told me a $15.00 lawn sprinkler placed under the Jeep three times a year for an hour will be more effective than any rust proofing. In fact he told me improperly applied rust proofing can add to the rust build-up, and dealers do not use their best techs to do the job! A cheap trick is to check all the door drain slots, on the bottom of the doors for blockages.

desertgoose 07-15-2011 02:45 PM

I never had the rust protection added by the dealer. Grew up in Ohio and drove there for 7 years. My cars never had any rust other than the steel cast parts underneath which are usually rusted when they show up at the dealer new. I would park on the street right next to my dad's trucks, they got solid rust on the entire driver side from the salt and slush kicking up on it. The difference was that I would take mine to the pay and spray when it started looking nasty.

Charcoal2010 07-15-2011 03:02 PM

Well, my JK is only a year old and I had the "extra protectant" added when I bought it. They sprayed the entire jeep down. Inside,outside,underside, everywhere. Don't have any rust but too early to tell also. I will say this though. I have left it outside topless and the rain doesn't really sink into the seats. IMO, it's worth it.

:dance::dance:

pat@fieldsauto.com 07-15-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wardj (Post 1371766)
I'm a dealer and (whisper) don't get it. It's bogus it is a high profit source.

X2, and thanks for the honesty.

KSCRUDE 07-15-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wardj (Post 1371766)
I'm a dealer and (whisper) don't get it. It's bogus it is a high profit source.

Yea and what's even worse is the so called extended warrentys they sell to anybody gullible and just bored out of their mined and listens to their stupid sales pitch and propaganda. It is way cheaper to just be self insured, and pay your own repairs after the factory warranty runs out. What is the power train warranty on a 11 3.8 wrangle anyway. Like five years-60 thousand miles. That seems like a eternity to have to drive this gocart powered thing to me so why pay for extra punishment.

Wardj 07-15-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KSCRUDE
Yea and what's even worse is the so called extended warrentys they sell to anybody gullible and just bored out of their mined and listens to their stupid sales pitch and propaganda. It is way cheaper to just be self insured, and pay your own repairs after the factory warranty runs out. What is the power train warranty on a 11 3.8 wrangle anyway. Like five years-60 thousand miles. That seems like a eternity to have to drive this gocart powered thing to me so why pay for extra punishment.

The only way to go is the guaranteed price refund. If you never use it, you get your money back. Most of the engines today are disposable and can't be rebuilt. The cost of a new camry engine is about $8500 with labor.

KSCRUDE 07-15-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wardj (Post 1382550)
The only way to go is the guaranteed price refund. If you never use it, you get your money back. Most of the engines today are disposable and can't be rebuilt. The cost of a new camry engine is about $8500 with labor.

I have never heard of the guaranteed price refund. Sounds too good to be true. The dealers around here are not that stupid or honest!

Wardj 07-15-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KSCRUDE
I have never heard of the guaranteed price refund. Sounds too good to be true. The dealers around here are not that stupid or honest!

It's referred to as ppr or gpr, and they have it some just don't do a good enough job of telling you what they are selling.

rjk5828 07-16-2011 12:05 PM

Jeep Protector / Rust exterior and interior protrction
 
Thanks everyone for your posts. I wanted to see if anyone actually had experience with the Paint/ Rust/ and Interior protection on a jeep. I just traded in my 2004 Jeep Liberty LTD for a new 2011 Wrangler Rubicon. I loved my Liberty, but noticed that there was some rust on the inside of the doors. It was at the bottom of the doors. My Liberty was otherwise in Cherry condition. I really love the new Rubicon, and I wanted to try and protect it better.

I live in the northside of Chicago, and we only have a garage space for one of our Jeeps. One sits outside. We have LOADS of snow here in the winter, and the city and state use SALT in the winter, so RUST is an issue here. We also have a Farm property 3 hours west of the city. We go there a lot. It is wooded and has some trails nearby. Driving out there after dark is something! The BUGS are HUGE and I need to protect the new car from the monster bugs that SPLAT on the grill.


I am not so worried about the cost of having the new Jeep protected. I am looking at the works, Interior, Exterior Paint, Undercoating and they inject anti-rust sealant FOAM into the doors and places behind fenders and quarter panels. I just wanted to know if any one did this and how it worked? Did it prevent Rust? Did it make it rust MORE? One of you said that the protection they sprayed on the interior made the leather seats sort of water repellent? Sounds GOOD to ME! I will still wax my jeep on a regular basis, including the insides of the doors and the door jams.

This is my 4th Jeep, and my second Wrangler. I love the new one, and want to keep it looking GREAT:Thanx:


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