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fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 01:50 PM

well heres your problem!
 
well what we thought the problem was... so im having issues with my jeep shaking and what not and had the tires balanced and didnt help so a couple fellow jeepers here on this forum told me to get a new steering stabalizer so i did! well i fought with the one that was on there and it was a little feisty and had a good grip on my draglink. so i hit it with a BFH a few times and it finaly gave after about an hours worth of smaking. took it off and well it was totally shot had no resistance to it at all. well that got my hopes up that that was the problem, well guess what... it wasnt:nonono: i still have the dand wobble i had before:banghead: so i think im going to have firestone reballance my tires a 3rd time and make sure they pay extra attention to my rims to see if one is bent. i really think they would have noticed the first two times they balenced my tires if one was bent but well see. after i did have to help the mechanic figure out how to get my centercaps off my rims LOL! thats a different story though! well what do you guys/Girls think?

4wheelin 09-12-2011 02:08 PM

I'm not real clear on the issue (wobble?). But, if you think you have a bent rim, you could swap the front tires with the rear and see if that helps the wobble at the front. If so, then you've deduced what the issue is.

Hope this helps....

TLATEOTW 09-12-2011 02:14 PM

did you install a lift recently?

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 02:14 PM

Might have to try that! Just need my jack back before I can lol. But my problem is a vibration in the front and sometimes it's a wobble and it all happens at about 55mph and recently it's been happening between 55 and 70mph now and sometimes it will stop sometimes it doesn't happen and sometimes it's really bad and I can't seem to figure it out

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 02:16 PM

No on the lift the po had put a bb lift on I'm pretty sure it's 2". And i had an alignment done and tires balanced and well still seems to happen

scgeek12 09-12-2011 02:19 PM

steering stabilizers are just there to dampen the vibrations that shouldnt be there in the first place lol, if your front end was in perfect condition technically you wouldnt even need a stabilizer, so more than likely thats not the problem but im the pot calling the kettle black because i run 2 steering stabilizers lol :)

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scgeek12 (Post 1563268)
steering stabilizers are just there to dampen the vibrations that shouldnt be there in the first place lol, if your front end was in perfect condition technically you wouldnt even need a stabilizer, so more than likely thats not the problem but im the pot calling the kettle black because i run 2 steering stabilizers lol :)

Hahahaha yeah I was just desperate for a solution so I was like what the hell why not and bought one and well it definatly feels bette when steering lol there's no dead spots in the turning like I had before.

my98tj 09-12-2011 03:24 PM

check your steering tie rods for play. check your track bar to make sure it's tight as well.

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 03:42 PM

check and check they are bothe good anything else i should check?

RCB 09-12-2011 03:43 PM

Where the trackbar mounts to the frame is known for wear. It's not easy to check it by hand. Have the jeep on the ground and someone inside turn the wheel lock to lock and watch the mount.

I had checked mine a dozen times when I had a wobble. Even had replaced the track bar. In actuality it was the mount directly. Had rounded out the mount by about a quarter inch. Nice and snug if you grabbed it by hand. But had my wife sit inside and turn it from lock to lock and my jaw dropped at the play. Replaced it... wobble gone.

Not sure if it's your problem, but thought I might offer it up, lest you search and search like I did.

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RCB (Post 1563461)
Where the trackbar mounts to the frame is known for wear. It's not easy to check it by hand. Have the jeep on the ground and someone inside turn the wheel lock to lock and watch the mount.

I had checked mine a dozen times when I had a wobble. Even had replaced the track bar. In actuality it was the mount directly. Had rounded out the mount by about a quarter inch. Nice and snug if you grabbed it by hand. But had my wife sit inside and turn it from lock to lock and my jaw dropped at the play. Replaced it... wobble gone.

Not sure if it's your problem, but thought I might offer it up, lest you search and search like I did.

right now ill check anything to figure this dang wobble out lol! ill check that right now. thanks!:)

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 03:57 PM

oh and how would i go about fixing it if it is the mount? and whats the cost to fixing it?

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 04:08 PM

ok i checked it and it doesnt look like theres anyplay in it. the only play i seen was in the rubber blader for graese smushes up a bit and i really cant tell i f the mounts moving or not

RCB 09-12-2011 04:26 PM

Ball joints, fine? Wheel bearings ok?

I would agree with your thought on having the wheels trued, or at least check if they are.

How old are your tires? Any cupping that you can see?

Does the rubber boot on the trackbar move though or just from the angle changing?

Beyond the above, the only other things I would look for would be a driveshaft that's dropped a balance weight (or knocked off) or excessively worn u-joints. Worn to the point of dropping needle bearings. Maybe even check the front shocks.

rubi josh 09-12-2011 04:40 PM

If you have A/T's it might be your tires.I had terrible DW so I replaced my tires and it seemed to cure my DW problem. Drove with the new tires for about a month and a half and never even experienced any vicrations in the front end.I have since then replaced the suspenionm which gave me 100% confidence in my jeep. Driving with a DW problem is a terrible thing because you are always on edge and never know when your gonna get that terrible shake.

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RCB (Post 1563546)
Ball joints, fine? Wheel bearings ok?

I would agree with your thought on having the wheels trued, or at least check if they are.

How old are your tires? Any cupping that you can see?

Does the rubber boot on the trackbar move though or just from the angle changing?

Beyond the above, the only other things I would look for would be a driveshaft that's dropped a balance weight (or knocked off) or excessively worn u-joints. Worn to the point of dropping needle bearings. Maybe even check the front shocks.

tires nothing out of the ordinary except the front are wearing more than the back but other than that they are even and only moves from angle changes.

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 04:44 PM

gonna have to check ball joints and wheel bearings

not4hire 09-12-2011 06:23 PM

Also look at the bushings on the upper and lower control arms..If they cracked or worn out, that can cause it..

Check the bolt on the track bar at the axle end it should be torqued to 50lbs..These come lose..

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by not4hire (Post 1563833)
Also look at the bushings on the upper and lower control arms..If they cracked or worn out, that can cause it..

Check the bolt on the track bar at the axle end it should be torqued to 50lbs..These come lose..

awesome thanks will check on that! where can i get new bushings because im pretty sure they are cracked if i can remember right.

spyjeep0520 09-12-2011 08:03 PM

How old are these tires if the are 3+years old they might be just hard and if the vehical sat for some time they might have gotten outta round

Wardj 09-12-2011 08:12 PM

I would be willing to bet your motor mounts are bad.

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wardj (Post 1564216)
I would be willing to bet your motor mounts are bad.

I actually checked the motor mounts before I bought it and they are fine and checked them again the other day in hopes to find out what is causing this wobble of mine and dont really think the motor mounts would cause the wobble I have. But if you can give me some hints on what I should check for with them I can definatly check them again to be extra positive it's not them :thumb:

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spyjeep0520 (Post 1564169)
How old are these tires if the are 3+years old they might be just hard and if the vehical sat for some time they might have gotten outta round

The tires are no where near 3 years old lol at most they are 1 year and that's at the verrrry very most

fourty4magjr 09-12-2011 10:56 PM

I'll keep you guys posted! And thanks to everyone who has tried to help so far! I'm still open for more advice so keep it coming just need this problem fixed so I don't have to worry about breaking the jeep going to school on the interstate.

Jerry Bransford 09-12-2011 11:01 PM

A bad steering stabilizer is never the cause of any problem. If replacing a steering stabilizer ever eliminates the symptoms you're having, all it has done is masked the symptom by using muscle to suppress the symptoms... but the underlying root cause of the problem is still there. Like a band-aid does not cure a skin cancer, a steering stabilizer is never the cure for anything... it serves to mask/cover up the problem sometimes, but the problem will return because it wasn't cured.

Shaking/shimmying is nearly always caused by a tire or wheel problem... out of balance tire or a bent wheel. Even recently balanced tires are no guarantee the tires are in balance. I have had to take my 35" tires back to the tire shop 3 times in a day before they finally got the balance perfect. And the bigger the tire, the more perfect the tire balance must be.

If the shimmy is bad, which again is typically caused by a bad tire or wheel, other loose parts like ball joints or unit-bearing hubs can make the problem even worse.

Such a problem is normally a combination of things... bad tire balance and loose ball joints or a loose track bar being a very common combination of bad parts.

Minn_wild1 09-12-2011 11:01 PM

I just had new 33" BFG A/t's put on my TJ. I had a wobble from 50 - 60 MPH. Had them rebalanced at the same place. No difference. Took them to a tire shop that had a Road Force Balance Machine. Wobble gone. They added a lot of weights in different places. Search for a tire shop that does road force balancing.

sonofabeach 09-12-2011 11:16 PM

I've had the death wabble twice. The first time in 05 the dealership (who had never even heard of this problem) replaced the stabilizer, the shocks and finally the trac bar.
That seemed to fix it for a few years but about a year ago I could feel it coming back again.
A few months back I figured it was the trac bar so I bought one at Advance Discount Auto for about 60 bucks.
I put it on in minutes but it did not help.
My tires were pretty bald so I recently got new tires and an alignment and that seems to have fixed it
(fingers crossed).

fourty4magjr 09-13-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 1565034)
A bad steering stabilizer is never the cause of any problem. If replacing a steering stabilizer ever eliminates the symptoms you're having, all it has done is masked the symptom by using muscle to suppress the symptoms... but the underlying root cause of the problem is still there. Like a band-aid does not cure a skin cancer, a steering stabilizer is never the cure for anything... it serves to mask/cover up the problem sometimes, but the problem will return because it wasn't cured.

Shaking/shimmying is nearly always caused by a tire or wheel problem... out of balance tire or a bent wheel. Even recently balanced tires are no guarantee the tires are in balance. I have had to take my 35" tires back to the tire shop 3 times in a day before they finally got the balance perfect. And the bigger the tire, the more perfect the tire balance must be.

If the shimmy is bad, which again is typically caused by a bad tire or wheel, other loose parts like ball joints or unit-bearing hubs can make the problem even worse.

Such a problem is normally a combination of things... bad tire balance and loose ball joints or a loose track bar being a very common combination of bad parts.

I know I was just desperate and i still am lol
Need to get it all figured out.

Neil F. 09-13-2011 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minn_wild1 (Post 1565035)
I just had new 33" BFG A/t's put on my TJ. I had a wobble from 50 - 60 MPH. Had them rebalanced at the same place. No difference. Took them to a tire shop that had a Road Force Balance Machine. Wobble gone. They added a lot of weights in different places. Search for a tire shop that does road force balancing.

x2 on this. Wobbling AND NOT DW around 40-50 is faily common and usually points to a wheel/tire balance issue. I had the problem, and had the tires rebalanced. It got better but never quite went away. It slowly got worse then I got it Road Forced balanced. Like above they put on lots of weights (hammered on on the lip) in a variety of places and it cured the issue. The weights are ugly but they did the job. Google road force balance and the Hunter web site has a machine locator for your area. I called around and found a place that did it for 15 a tire (and they did the spare for free)

fourty4magjr 09-13-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil F. (Post 1566310)
x2 on this. Wobbling AND NOT DW around 40-50 is faily common and usually points to a wheel/tire balance issue. I had the problem, and had the tires rebalanced. It got better but never quite went away. It slowly got worse then I got it Road Forced balanced. Like above they put on lots of weights (hammered on on the lip) in a variety of places and it cured the issue. The weights are ugly but they did the job. Google road force balance and the Hunter web site has a machine locator for your area. I called around and found a place that did it for 15 a tire (and they did the spare for free)

I will check into that thanks guys


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