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mboyda 09-30-2011 07:39 PM

Recall: 2012 Chrysler vehicles—potential engine seizure
 
While the wrangler is not listed it is the 3.6


Chrysler is recalling 667 model-year 2012 vehicles because debris inside the engine block could cause connecting rod bearing failure, which can lead to engine seizure and thereby increase the risk of a crash.

All of the recalled vehicles are equipped with a 3.6L engine and include the following:

Chrysler 200
Chrysler Town and Country
Dodge Charger
Dodge Durango
Dodge Grand Caravan
Dodge Journey
Jeep Grand Cherokee

thejdj 09-30-2011 07:57 PM

Maybe the unique features of the Wrangler version kept them out of the problem batch.

mboyda 09-30-2011 08:03 PM

makes you wonder about quality control if that many made it out with dirt in the engine.

cu in oz 09-30-2011 08:12 PM

Has anybody posted an engine problem with a 2012 JK?

glowingghoul 09-30-2011 08:32 PM

667 Vehicles, across that many lines, is probably about 2 hours of production.
Chrysler also stated that most were not sold.

It's worth keeping an eye on though to see if this becomes more widespread, but I wouldn't sweat it. There are hundreds of thousands of those engines in service, many for more than a year, without any problems.

demarpaint 09-30-2011 08:43 PM

They had problems cleaning out the blocks of the 3.6 because they don't have freeze out plugs. Allpar mentioned that a while back Chrysler was aware of it and it was supposed to be addressed by Chrysler. This is another reason why I change the factory fill of oil early. I'd suggest anyone with a 2012 Wrangler to drop the oil early, and more than once in the first 1500 miles or so. JMO

glowingghoul 09-30-2011 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demarpaint (Post 1617954)
They had problems cleaning out the blocks of the 3.6 because they don't have freeze out plugs. Allpar mentioned that a while back Chrysler was aware of it and it was supposed to be addressed by Chrysler. This is another reason why I change the factory fill of oil early. I'd suggest anyone with a 2012 Wrangler to drop the oil early, and more than once in the first 1500 miles or so. JMO

That's good advice for any new vehicle IMHO. I was going to do the first change at 1000, but I think I'll be doing it at 500...just to be on the safe side.

stroh 09-30-2011 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cu in oz (Post 1617864)
Has anybody posted an engine problem with a 2012 JK?

Dominus certainly has. Here's the beginning or his story:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ml#post1483071

Up Hill Bill 09-30-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mboyda (Post 1617796)
While the wrangler is not listed it is the 3.6


Chrysler is recalling 667 model-year 2012 vehicles because debris inside the engine block could cause connecting rod bearing failure, which can lead to engine seizure and thereby increase the risk of a crash.

All of the recalled vehicles are equipped with a 3.6L engine and include the following:

Chrysler 200
Chrysler Town and Country
Dodge Charger
Dodge Durango
Dodge Grand Caravan
Dodge Journey
Jeep Grand Cherokee

Here's the recall from NHTSA:

Attachment 70417

panthermark 09-30-2011 09:48 PM

Hmmm....not sure how I would feel about having my engine replaced in a month...or week.....or day old vehicle.

I'm thinking...."Nah....give me a loaner and build me another one....and handle my car note for a month or hook me up with extra options as well".

kjeeper10 09-30-2011 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panthermark
Hmmm....not sure how I would feel about having my engine replaced in a month...or week.....or day old vehicle.

I'm thinking...."Nah....give me a loaner and build me another one....and handle my car note for a month or hook me up with extra options as well".

What if you already put 46,990 on the odometer?

NHRubi 09-30-2011 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demarpaint (Post 1617954)
They had problems cleaning out the blocks of the 3.6 because they don't have freeze out plugs. Allpar mentioned that a while back Chrysler was aware of it and it was supposed to be addressed by Chrysler. This is another reason why I change the factory fill of oil early. I'd suggest anyone with a 2012 Wrangler to drop the oil early, and more than once in the first 1500 miles or so. JMO

Bump X2 :punk:

IowaRaider 09-30-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demarpaint (Post 1617954)
They had problems cleaning out the blocks of the 3.6 because they don't have freeze out plugs. Allpar mentioned that a while back Chrysler was aware of it and it was supposed to be addressed by Chrysler. This is another reason why I change the factory fill of oil early. I'd suggest anyone with a 2012 Wrangler to drop the oil early, and more than once in the first 1500 miles or so. JMO

did my first change at 800 miles today...absolutely clean:thumb:

BEEAH 09-30-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mboyda (Post 1617852)
makes you wonder about quality control if that many made it out with dirt in the engine.

The quality control at the Pentastar plant is amazing, granted its tough to say that after an engine recall. The quality checks that are done there occur much more often and the tolerances are much tighter then anything they have ever done before. Nice thing now is with modern tracking systems it is very easy to locate and quarantine any suspect parts/motors.

demarpaint 09-30-2011 10:50 PM

Cleaning out a block with no freeze out plugs is a major chore. I'm wondering if they might need to tweak the design of the block, or still further improve upon the cleaning methods?

demarpaint 09-30-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panthermark (Post 1618152)
Hmmm....not sure how I would feel about having my engine replaced in a month...or week.....or day old vehicle.

I'm thinking...."Nah....give me a loaner and build me another one....and handle my car note for a month or hook me up with extra options as well".

I agree although I doubt they'd replace the vehichle w/o one hell of a fight. :confused:

daggo66 09-30-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejdj
Maybe the unique features of the Wrangler version kept them out of the problem batch.

And what exactly would those features be?

panthermark 09-30-2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 1618167)
What if you already put 46,990 on the odometer?

In a month or a week or a day? Damn...you might want to invest in some Preperation H, No-Doze, and a diesel engine!

XPADREX 09-30-2011 11:27 PM

My Gig and a flux capacitor.

kjeeper10 09-30-2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panthermark
In a month or a week or a day? Damn...you might want to invest in some Preperation H, No-Doze, and a diesel engine!

Preparation H haha, that sucks.

HaulP 09-30-2011 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1618406)
And what exactly would those features be?

- the manifold and intake-runner tuning are exclusive to Wrangler Pentastar
- redesign for the upper and lower oil pan to accommodate increased grade requirements
- relocated alternator
- and most importantly...unique acoustic engine cover (probably blocked the debris - dropped beer bottle caps and roach clips)

panthermark 09-30-2011 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaulP (Post 1618535)
- the manifold and intake-runner tuning are exclusive to Wrangler Pentastar
- redesign for the upper and lower oil pan to accommodate increased grade requirements
- relocated alternator
- and most importantly...unique acoustic engine cover (probably blocked the debris - dropped beer bottle caps and roach clips)

They didn't forget the engine cover.... Gotta have have a place to snort that "yay-yo"... That is how they F'd up Don's engine.....someone was busy cutting a line of "white lady"...and forget to put in the anti-freeze....

demarpaint 10-01-2011 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaulP (Post 1618535)
- the manifold and intake-runner tuning are exclusive to Wrangler Pentastar
- redesign for the upper and lower oil pan to accommodate increased grade requirements
- relocated alternator
- and most importantly...unique acoustic engine cover (probably blocked the debris - dropped beer bottle caps and roach clips)


LOL I wouldn't be surprised if some of the 2012 Wranglers become part of the recall. The block is the issue, and the block is the same for all 3.6L Pentastar engines. I'm sure Chrysler will stay on top of this and make the corrections if need be going forward.

pat@fieldsauto.com 10-01-2011 10:05 AM

It was a two week interval, vehicles built between 8/31/2011 and 9/13/2011

daggo66 10-01-2011 10:12 AM

This does kind of make you wonder about those metal shavings people are finding in the oil filter, doesn't it?:popcorn:

demarpaint 10-01-2011 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 1619052)
This does kind of make you wonder about those metal shavings people are finding in the oil filter, doesn't it?:popcorn:

You beat me to it! :thumb: Knowing this, I'd drive home from the dealer and dump the oil, and filter, then again at either 500 or a 1000 miles. Safe than sorry in this case. Since Allpar mentioned cleaning issues when the P-Star engine first came out, it appears they might still be having some problems. I'm glad they caught it before it ended up being thousands.

glowingghoul 10-01-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat@FieldsJeep (Post 1619034)
It was a two week interval, vehicles built between 8/31/2011 and 9/13/2011

Great. My JK was built 9/02.

Pat, is there any explanation as to why Wranglers don't seem to be involved?

It would be reassuring.

ugotda7 10-01-2011 12:28 PM

How do you find the exact date of manufacture? My door sticker has date of manufacture of 9-11. Is that September 11th? They don't put a year? So is it 9/11/2011?

Up Hill Bill 10-01-2011 01:15 PM

Chrysler knows the batch of 3.6L engines affected and where they went in the supply chain. If any went to the Toledo Wrangler plant, they would have recalled them. They didn't. Relax. (until they do...)

Up Hill Bill 10-01-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugotda7 (Post 1619288)
How do you find the exact date of manufacture? My door sticker has date of manufacture of 9-11. Is that September 11th? They don't put a year? So is it 9/11/2011?

Search this forum for 'Insight'. You'll find out how to use your VIN to get the entire history of your Jeep's build from order to delivery to dealer. The date it goes to "I" status is the date of build.


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