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Thracks 10-28-2011 04:33 AM

Jeep. Possibly the most loved and hated vehicle on the planet?
 
Almost every internet video I see having to do with Jeeps, the comment section is loaded with full-on HATE from one side, with every insult you can think of! But then there's the ones who absolutely ADORE their Jeep and every part of it.

Don't tell me I'm alone here...

bwlyon 10-28-2011 04:58 AM

Agree
 
Yeah it should'nt be that way but it is, oh well, I love my CJ7 and can't wait till my new JK gets here.

I have a Mercedes E320 CDI and love it, but it isn't worth 2 squirts of cold pi** in the snow. However, I don't run around spouting that hate about the car. It is what it is!!
People need to inform themselves before purchasing a vehicle. Then when they have all kinds of complaints they only have themselves to blame because they should have known before they purchased the vehicle. Unless they didn't do the research, oh wait, then it is still there fault. LOL

STOP THE HATERS!!!!!!!!!
Can't we all get along!!!!
:hide:

demarpaint 10-28-2011 05:24 AM

True of most anything you can buy, there are lovers and haters of everything. Buy a lemon, have trouble getting it resolved, and you can easily become a hater. Buy something trouble free that serves you well, and you're a lover.

kjeeper10 10-28-2011 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by demarpaint
True of most anything you can buy, there are lovers and haters of everything. Buy a lemon, have trouble getting it resolved, and you can easily become a hater. Buy something trouble free that serves you well, and you're a lover.

Agree.

Read ANY comments on any product/ vehicle.

daggo66 10-28-2011 06:10 AM

It's not hate, it's jealousy.

greenjeepgurl87 10-28-2011 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by daggo66
It's not hate, it's jealousy.

:thumb:

deathphoenix99 10-28-2011 07:22 AM

Not really, I mean before the JK's, I use to hear/see a lot of people who brag about how great their Jeep is yada yada yada, that mentality alone made me not care for them. I can think of plenty of reasons not to own a Jeep, and I don't. To me, it's a fun TOY, but I could never DD one unless I have enough money to have a backup vehicle as well. Now with the JK's, you're seeing a lot more people own Wranglers that before hand wouldn't, and because of this, some of that mentality isn't there, which is nice.

MikeMTJ 10-28-2011 07:32 AM

I think it's more of the Internet culture than anything. Sit behind a computer monitor and insult people. 90% of the things said in those comments people wouldn't say face to face.

Mr. Sinister 10-28-2011 07:32 AM

Whenever someone hates on the Wrangler, ask them this:

What other vehicle even near this price range is as capable and versatile as the Wrangler?

I'm still waiting on a reasonable response.

Celtic 10-28-2011 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 1698665)
Whenever someone hates on the Wrangler, ask them this:

What other vehicle even near this price range is as capable and versatile as the Wrangler?

I'm still waiting on a reasonable response.

Totally differently purposed vehicle, but the same is said of Corvettes. I too think it has something to do with the jealousy issue.

deathphoenix99 10-28-2011 07:51 AM

^^^When you say Capable and Versatile, are you strictly talking in off-road capabilities? Because I can think of plenty of other things a Wrangler can't do. I haul a quad in the bed of my truck, haul construction supplies, or my own gear for college. I can't do any of that in a Wrangler, and a trailer is invalid as I could haul a trailer behind most vehicles. Not to mention, my truck still gets better gas mileage than any TJ.

But if you're talking off-road, the S10 ZR2 was a nice platform that could do just about as much as a stock Wrangler. Oh and I'm talking about the pickups, I hate small SUV's.

Mr. Sinister 10-28-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Celtic (Post 1698705)
Totally differently purposed vehicle, but the same is said of Corvettes. I too think it has something to do with the jealousy issue.


I have been saying that for years. Not the most high tech cars, not the most well built cars, but for performance per dollar, nothing touches it.
Well, there is the Nissan GT-R now.......

Mr. Sinister 10-28-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1698706)
^^^When you say Capable and Versatile, are you strictly talking in off-road capabilities? Because I can think of plenty of other things a Wrangler can't do. I haul a quad in the bed of my truck, haul construction supplies, or my own gear for college. I can't do any of that in a Wrangler, and a trailer is invalid as I could haul a trailer behind most vehicles. Not to mention, my truck still gets better gas mileage than any TJ.

But if you're talking off-road, the S10 ZR2 was a nice platform that could do just about as much as a stock Wrangler. Oh and I'm talking about the pickups, I hate small SUV's.

Off road. Even on road, what other 4x4 vehicle is convertible and can legally run with the doors removed? Jeeps aren't trucks, they're not meant to haul cargo. Unless they actually put the pickup body into production.......
Gas mileage in my auto JK is 18/24, better than any full size gas truck that I know of. But again, apples to oranges.

S10 isn't produced anymore, and it's replacement isn't what I'd call a winner on the trails. I have seen a few kitted out ZR2's and they are pretty capable, but again, they can't go all the same places a little Jeep can.

deathphoenix99 10-28-2011 08:08 AM

I'll agree that the Wrangler is quite capable stock, and it has it's advantages, but you have to remember, if you narrow down the options of what you're looking at only then yea, it's the only option, but if you widen the criteria to include more, than there's other vehicles that fit the bill. As for the replacement for the s10, I never have and never will like them. But anyway, it all depends on what your criteria is, for me, a Jeep isn't number 1 in my criteria, for you, it may be. But to each their own.

Side note: if they produced the J8, that'd be sweet as I love pickups. Too bad the Honcho isn't made anymore. But the Gladiator concept was pretty sweet too.

OP: The most love/hated vehicle on the planet, I can think of plenty others that fit that criteria. Riced out cars, Hummer H2, donks, etc.......

Mr. Sinister 10-28-2011 08:13 AM

Well, that's part of my point. There's isn't really anything else like the Jeep. There have been imitators, but they never last. No other currently produced small truck or SUV is as nimble on the trails, or as capable overall in the bush as the Wrangler. Let's also not forget about price.

tjt94 10-28-2011 08:19 AM

I enjoy my Jeep but I definitely would not be thinking that it is a value for the price. Jeeps, in my opinion, are very expensive and overpriced. Their cash flow is high but maybe that is offset by slower depreciation. However, I don't buy vehicles with plans of how much I might get for it in a few years.

deathphoenix99 10-28-2011 08:22 AM

I'll agree that with your statement. But I too think they are a bit expensive, well, if you're getting the higher up models and not the base.

Although, I was at the Bad Lands once in Attica, IN, and I saw a Jeep wrangle get stuck in the sand dunes while a stock Tracker on simple A/T's was making it up all of them without any issues. The Jeep guy was pissed!

tjt94 10-28-2011 08:31 AM

Pricing is proportional. The base models may offer the best value but they are still over priced. An 09 like my X is not worth $18K - $20K but that is what they bring.

As for the Tracker, it is a great example of the driver not the vehicle. Go take a look at the Crown Victoria in Moab clips on Youtube. It will put thing into perspective.

Mr. Sinister 10-28-2011 08:43 AM

Well, I agree and disagree. ALL vehicles are overpriced in my opinion, but they cost so much to produce anymore, and I'm not starting a political argument. I would like to know how much profit Chrysler actually makes on the Wrangler. I'd bet it's not that much. I think sheer volume of sales helps keep the wrangler price where it is. But I could be wrong.
When you look simply at the parts list on a stock Wrangler Sport, you can justify the price a little more. That's some pretty heavy duty stuff (comparatively). Just look at what and other real 4x4 vehicle costs in comparison. The Sahara is a premium over the Sport, and you pay for it. I wouldn't personally, but I can't blame others for paying more for what they want. The Rubicon upgraded parts alone would probably cost you more to have them installed yourself, so that in itself is a good value. Obviously for those that are more hardcore, neither upscale trims make sense, because you're replacing those parts anyway.
I mean, a 2012 Wrangler starts at $22045 (2012 Wrangler | Trail Rated 4x4 Sports Utility Vehicle | Jeep.com). Look at what else you can get for that price. Can any of those vehicles do what a Jeep can do? Or even come close?

3JKs1H1 10-28-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by deathphoenix99 (Post 1698780)
Although, I was at the Bad Lands once in Attica, IN, and I saw a Jeep wrangle get stuck in the sand dunes while a stock Tracker on simple A/T's was making it up all of them without any issues.

That place is a blast, sand dunes, the rivers, the two concrete climbs, quarry, mud.

ShoreWrangler 10-28-2011 08:44 AM

Wrangler is about the only vehicle I know that is just as much fun and capable in the snow as it is in the sun. Not many other convertibles out there you can drive around in a foot of snow. It's probably the first true year-round vehicle I have owned

Celtic 10-28-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tjt94 (Post 1698796)

as for the tracker, it is a great example of the driver not the vehicle.

x2

Zip 10-28-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ShoreWrangler (Post 1698822)
Wrangler is about the only vehicle I know that is just as much fun and capable in the snow as it is in the sun. Not many other convertibles out there you can drive around in a foot of snow. It's probably the first true year-round vehicle I have owned

x2

kbwwolf 10-28-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by demarpaint (Post 1698515)
True of most anything you can buy, there are lovers and haters of everything. Buy a lemon, have trouble getting it resolved, and you can easily become a hater. Buy something trouble free that serves you well, and you're a lover.

^^^ exactly.

I also think a good bit of the hatred comes from people who buy a Jeep because of the status...the ruggedness appeals to them, as long as said ruggedness doesn't include water dripping down the interior door panels, squeaks and rattles, etc.

On any given day you'll find half a dozen posts complaining about these things. I'm not saying they have no right to complain; spend +/– 30K on a vehicle, you're allowed to bitch.

But I think a fair percentage of first-time Jeep owners haven't educated themselves enough on the brand to know exactly what they're getting into.

Boxerjeep12 10-29-2011 10:33 AM

I just got my first jeep 2012 jk wrangler, I love it, it's so much fun to drive, it's gives me this great feeling ever time I drive it around, for the dollar value I spent its just priceless!

Jeepin Dave 10-29-2011 11:42 AM

For love/hate, how does the Grand Cherokee compare to the Wrangler?

strider_mt2k 10-29-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 1699022)
...On any given day you'll find half a dozen posts complaining about these things. I'm not saying they have no right to complain; spend +/– 30K on a vehicle, you're allowed to bitch.

But I think a fair percentage of first-time Jeep owners haven't educated themselves enough on the brand to know exactly what they're getting into.

Very well put!
I wanted mine for so long that I knew exactly what to expect, both good and bad.
I've been fortunate in that it's all been good so far!
:punk:

kbwwolf 10-29-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by strider_mt2k (Post 1702778)
Very well put!
I wanted mine for so long that I knew exactly what to expect, both good and bad.
I've been fortunate in that it's all been good so far!
:punk:

Yeah, mine's just @ the shipping point right now; should have it by end of next week. It won't be my first Jeep, but will be my first Wrangler.

I researched it so thoroughly that I almost felt sorry for the salesman, who seemed to be fairly limited in knowledge.

I'm hoping there will be no problems with it, but if there are I'll deal with them and move on.

Can't wait! :D

kbwwolf 10-29-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeepin Dave (Post 1702239)
For love/hate, how does the Grand Cherokee compare to the Wrangler?

Can't comment of the GC. However, I've had a Liberty Renegade since '03, and it's been great. Mileage kinda stinks (19 avg), but the reliability has been very good, and it's a tank. I'm just about to hit the 130K mark.

XPADREX 10-29-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tjt94 (Post 1698773)
I enjoy my Jeep but I definitely would not be thinking that it is a value for the price. Jeeps, in my opinion, are very expensive and overpriced. Their cash flow is high but maybe that is offset by slower depreciation. However, I don't buy vehicles with plans of how much I might get for it in a few years.

This isn't in direct reply to you, but to the concept.

I paid slightly over $22k for a 4x4 convertible that seats four. Look at the competition in that class, for that money. Wait, you cannot.

I kept it simple, and wouldn't be afraid to get it dirty.

I think some people add a bunch of window dressing, gadgetry, and fluff driving the price up- they cry that it's not a value "for the money".

The Wrangler is an absolute steal when viewed for what it is. When trying to make it what it isn't, it may expose its flaws and be tougher to live with.

I love my Wrangler- but I think I love it for all of its characteristics because of its price range. If I spent $40k on a gilded mall crawler I might get a bit miffed at the rough edges. For what I spent, I think it's a steal.

Now, as far as general hatred:

It's all about expectations. Some folks buy a vehicle and think that's the last dime they should spend. Some folks simply by the wrong tool for the job.

Others take no view of their own culpability in how a vehicle has held up.

I ran a motorcycle business for years with both domestic and foreign brands, and we performed warranty work on all. Some brands got a pass, and others were lambasted.

All I can tell you is that everytime I step to my Jeep, I grin ear to ear- and I get a feeling more four-wheeled conveyances cannot give this motorcyclist.


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