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luckyAD80 11-13-2011 10:49 PM

Gauges work then don't work
 
Hey guys. I own a 2000 manual TJ... when driving the gauges will work for a little bit, then they usually stop and all the meters fall down (rpm, spedometer, etc.). Where my mileage is then reads 'no BuS'. What's this all about and how can I fix it? Thanks.

distortedtj 11-13-2011 10:55 PM

Pull the gauge cluster and clean the connector for it..apply some dielectric grease and put back together.

TJWenatchee 11-13-2011 11:52 PM

x2 on that. Think on the bright side, the gauge issue proves you have a Jeep and that's good. :thumb:

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by distortedtj
Pull the gauge cluster and clean the connector for it..apply some dielectric grease and put back together.

Where's the gauge cluster? I don't know too much about cars, sorry.

scgeek12 11-14-2011 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 (Post 1743242)
Where's the gauge cluster? I don't know too much about cars, sorry.


well than its a good thing you dont drive a car, you drive a JEEP lol, the gauge cluster is the whole housing that holds the gauges, its VERY easy to get out, i dont know the differences betweeen years, mine is a 99 and it cant be to different, if you want to change the color of your gauges now would be a good time to toss in some different color LEDS (if your interested let me know and ill find the thread on where to buy them / part numbers) but to get it out all you have to do (and this is from memory) is take the 4 screws out of the panel under your steering wheel (where the headlight knob goes through) you CAN take the knob out, but i didnt, just let it hang on it, next take a flat head and gently pry up the panel on top of your dash (where the defrost vents are) it will just pop up, than there should be like 6 screws holding on the outter part of the gauge cluster some on top, and like 2 on the bottom, you will see them, once you get that panel out all you have to do is take the 4 screws holding the gauge cluster in and then pull it out, i can get more pics of how to get it out if you need just ask :thumb:

heres some pics i took when i changed mine to red LED's ($20 mod)

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3801088_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._2295327_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4215263_n.jpg

thecheezman 11-14-2011 06:37 AM

You have to take apart some of your dash to get at it. The cluster is the mph, rpm, gas, temp and oil (i think thats it). All your gauges are in a "cluster".

Heres a little explanation on removing

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/how-...ole-57239.html

Do a little search next time.


EDIT: ^ Damn beat me to it.

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgeek12

well than its a good thing you dont drive a car, you drive a JEEP lol, the gauge cluster is the whole housing that holds the gauges, its VERY easy to get out, i dont know the differences betweeen years, mine is a 99 and it cant be to different, if you want to change the color of your gauges now would be a good time to toss in some different color LEDS (if your interested let me know and ill find the thread on where to buy them / part numbers) but to get it out all you have to do (and this is from memory) is take the 4 screws out of the panel under your steering wheel (where the headlight knob goes through) you CAN take the knob out, but i didnt, just let it hang on it, next take a flat head and gently pry up the panel on top of your dash (where the defrost vents are) it will just pop up, than there should be like 6 screws holding on the outter part of the gauge cluster some on top, and like 2 on the bottom, you will see them, once you get that panel out all you have to do is take the 4 screws holding the gauge cluster in and then pull it out, i can get more pics of how to get it out if you need just ask :thumb:

heres some pics i took when i changed mine to red LED's ($20 mod)

Haah true. That helps a lot. I'll try taking it out soon and if I need help or more pics I'll message you. Thanks!

scgeek12 11-14-2011 06:40 AM

looking at the pics again i have the center panel out (where the radio and ash-tray are) im not sure why but if you do need to take it out which i dont think you will its easy, if yours has an ashtray (earlier TJs) just pull the ashtray out and there is 1 screw behind it, and 2 screws on top (you can see them after you get the top panel off that has the defrost vents) then just pull it out gently and it will come out, if you have a later model TJ without the ashtray and just the blank there its the exact same except you dont have that 1 extra screw to take out

scgeek12 11-14-2011 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by luckyAD80 (Post 1743263)
Haah true. That helps a lot. I'll try taking it out soon and if I need help or more pics I'll message you. Thanks!

np dont hesitate to ask if you want more pics, i can get the cluster out in about 3 minutes lol so wouldnt be a big problem


EDIT- i just remembered why i had the center panel out, to put red LED's in the climate control panel, so you wont need to remove this one (where the radio is)

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 04:36 PM

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Yeah so i've opened some stuff but don't know what to do. And what do i actually clean them with?

scgeek12 11-14-2011 04:40 PM

looks like your almost there, just take the screws out holding on the black plastic around the gauges, then you can pull it out, ill go take some pics as you requested give me like 15min to get off the couch and get it done

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 04:41 PM

Thanks so much. But my screwdriver can fit between the front window and the screw...

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 05:05 PM

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Okay i got it off. Now i have this.... What do i clean exactly and w what?

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:15 PM

FINE dont use the video i made for you! lol jk, clean the connections with dielectric grease , you can get some from autozone prolly

mrobinso 11-14-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgeek12 (Post 1743259)
well than its a good thing you dont drive a car, you drive a JEEP lol, the gauge cluster is the whole housing that holds the gauges, its VERY easy to get out, i dont know the differences betweeen years, mine is a 99 and it cant be to different, if you want to change the color of your gauges now would be a good time to toss in some different color LEDS (if your interested let me know and ill find the thread on where to buy them / part numbers) but to get it out all you have to do (and this is from memory) is take the 4 screws out of the panel under your steering wheel (where the headlight knob goes through) you CAN take the knob out, but i didnt, just let it hang on it, next take a flat head and gently pry up the panel on top of your dash (where the defrost vents are) it will just pop up, than there should be like 6 screws holding on the outter part of the gauge cluster some on top, and like 2 on the bottom, you will see them, once you get that panel out all you have to do is take the 4 screws holding the gauge cluster in and then pull it out, i can get more pics of how to get it out if you need just ask :thumb:

heres some pics i took when i changed mine to red LED's ($20 mod)

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3801088_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._2295327_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4215263_n.jpg

Those red LEDs look great! Was that an easy DIY? My stock gauge cluster lamps are on their way out and if this is a relatively easy DIY I am definitely doing it. If you could provide the part numbers that would be awesome.

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrobinso (Post 1744662)
Those red LEDs look great! Was that an easy DIY? My stock gauge cluster lamps are on their way out and if this is a relatively easy DIY I am definitely doing it. If you could provide the part numbers that would be awesome.

VERY easy, when i said earlier i could do it in 3minutes i was wrong lol, i made (uploading now) a video on how to take it all apart and will post it here, even with recording, and the fact its dark outside i had it in exactly 3minutes, so i think i could do it in 2 if i tried :) ill find you the thread that supplies the part numbers for you in a minute :thumb:

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:33 PM

check out this thread- http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/tj...eap-91949.html

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:43 PM

red wasnt such a good choice in color lol sorry, going to post this here incase someone else needs it-


here is where to pry to get the first panel (defroster vent one) off-

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...31591008_n.jpg

just let it sit up (or remove it if you feel the need) like this-
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...68191625_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...93670934_n.jpg


next comes the panel under the steering wheel it only has 2 screws-

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...63611684_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...57235642_n.jpg


next is the panel around the gauge cluster, it has 5 screws, 2 on bottom 3 on top (hard to get to, i put them back in finger tight)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...87092253_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...32356349_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...19334206_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...13343310_n.jpg


next is the gauge cluster itself, 4 screws and then just pull it out gently

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...44255944_n.jpg

apply dielectric grease here-

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...90810297_n.jpg

and here-
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...29875282_n.jpg

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:49 PM

after i took the pics i put it all back together and made a video lol (not bored waiting to go to work or anything lol) heres realtime- (btw my camera is sitting ontop of my passenger side seats headrest, can you say balance?) lol

jeep tj gauge cluster removal - YouTube

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:54 PM

had to rep my free rebel offroad hat :) won it on facebook lol its nice and comfy :)

luckyAD80 11-14-2011 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgeek12
after i took the pics i put it all back together and made a video lol (not bored waiting to go to work or anything lol) heres realtime- (btw my camera is sitting ontop of my passenger side seats headrest, can you say balance?) lol

jeep tj gauge cluster removal - YouTube

Thank you so much for all of this! You helped a ton!

scgeek12 11-14-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckyAD80 (Post 1744762)
Thank you so much for all of this! You helped a ton!

anytime :thumb:

mrobinso 11-15-2011 01:01 PM

Thank you so much. Ordered the "Cool White" LEDs for both the gauge cluster and HVAC controls. Really appreciate the detailed posts. I can't get over the depth to knowledge and information at this forum :punk:

scgeek12 11-15-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrobinso (Post 1746882)
Thank you so much. Ordered the "Cool White" LEDs for both the gauge cluster and HVAC controls. Really appreciate the detailed posts. I can't get over the depth to knowledge and information at this forum :punk:

:thumb: ive been thinking about putting the white ones in my HVAC, the red isnt to bright in there, works great in the gauges tho

luckyAD80 11-15-2011 05:58 PM

Applied the dielectric grease... Still the gauges work on and off :( What else should I try? I think I said this earlier but where my mileage is supposed to read it changes to displaying 'no bus'

scgeek12 11-15-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckyAD80 (Post 1747510)
Applied the dielectric grease... Still the gauges work on and off :( What else should I try? I think I said this earlier but where my mileage is supposed to read it changes to displaying 'no bus'

Oh so you have the no bus msg lol-

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/a3cfc132.jpg

it is usually the crank position sensor (from what i have read on WF, never had it myself) but there is apparently a TSB out for it still so you MIGHT be able to get it fixed at the dealer, here is the TSB number for them to look it up - TSB 08-15-99

scgeek12 11-15-2011 06:36 PM

BTW because your problem is on and off you might just want to try cleaning the plug to the CPS first, it is mounted to the transmission bellhousing, at the left/read side of the engine block on 2.5L 4cyl and 4.0L 6cyl engines with manual transmissions the sensor is attatched with 2 bolts, on 2.5L engines with auto transmissions the sensor is attatched with 2 nuts, on 4.0L engines with auto transmissions the sensor is adjustable and is attached with one bolt


^ from the FSM

luckyAD80 11-15-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgeek12 (Post 1747644)
BTW because your problem is on and off you might just want to try cleaning the plug to the CPS first, it is mounted to the transmission bellhousing, at the left/read side of the engine block on 2.5L 4cyl and 4.0L 6cyl engines with manual transmissions the sensor is attatched with 2 bolts, on 2.5L engines with auto transmissions the sensor is attatched with 2 nuts, on 4.0L engines with auto transmissions the sensor is adjustable and is attached with one bolt


^ from the FSM

Clean with what.. the same dielectric grease? or should I purchase electronic component cleaner or something like that? Thanks.

luckyAD80 11-15-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scgeek12 (Post 1747621)
Oh so you have the no bus msg lol-

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/a3cfc132.jpg

it is usually the crank position sensor (from what i have read on WF, never had it myself) but there is apparently a TSB out for it still so you MIGHT be able to get it fixed at the dealer, here is the TSB number for them to look it up - TSB 08-15-99

How much would this cost? Because if I can't do it myself I'm just gunna leave it since it's not a big deal. I mainly wunna fix it up so I get some knowledge and experience working with cars.

luckyAD80 11-15-2011 07:08 PM

sorry for the third post in a row but i thought i should include that the car works fine. the gauges just fall but my car continues to drive and start normally. also for the dielectric grease you aren't supposed to wipe it on then wipe it off but leave it on, right?

could you post some pictures of this cps thing? Thanks again.


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