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joshuasv 11-04-2007 01:15 AM

Winch help
 
Probably been discussed a few times, did a few searches and diden't find the answers I was hoping for. I would like to buy a winch but don't know where to start. :confused:What would be strong enough? I have a 2000 TJ 2.5" lift on 33x12.5 4.0 softop. Is say a Warn m8000 enough winch for most situations including pulling larger rigs than mine? I am looking to be thrifty but not cheap, I would like it to last me a while. Have seen the Tabor line frome Warn, is that really the same build quality without the lifetime warranty? T-max? Superwinch? I do pretty average wheeling, i'll probably find mud, water, snow, and some rocks with my new obsession so durablity is a concern. I'm pretty sure a 12,000 lb winch is overkill, but do i need a 9.5? Or will the above M8000 be the ticket? Sorry about the long post, guess I just felt chatty!:D

AzTJ 11-04-2007 01:35 AM

M8000 would be perfect.

This link was in another thread - http://www.winchdepot.com/?gclid=CKb...FR-YWAodgk5TYA

And an M8000 for $505 is a steal! Better than any eBay deal.

debruins 11-04-2007 11:15 AM

yup thats a good deal and will get you out of anywhere!

if you have the money get a synth rope and block and tackle and a tree saver then get them, but you can get by for a while without them, well get a tree saver, its the right thing to do but the other u can do wihtout they're just really nice to have!

joshuasv 11-04-2007 11:57 AM

When using a synthetic line is it still ok to use the roller fairlead? Are hawse (don't know the spelling) fairleads only to save weight?

AzTJ 11-04-2007 12:23 PM

Pretty much.

GrnTJ 11-05-2007 09:20 AM

Actually, hawse fairleads are made souly for the purpose of use with synthetic lines. If you were to use a syn. line in a roller fairlead you risk snagging it or pinching the line in between the rollers. That will tear your new $200+ dollar line up in no time. Id highly recommend a hawse lead if you switch it over to synthetic line. And deff. dont EVER winch steel line on a hawse fairlead. That will do the opposite effect and mess up the weaker aluminum fairlead.

mrbigjeep 11-05-2007 09:25 AM

if you can, definitely get synthetic line...i've had a 9500lb winch line snap and fling back on the hood and headlight...

GrnTJ 11-05-2007 02:12 PM

Dang, really!? Your the first person I have ever heard of that snapped a line. I knew it happened just never knew anyone it had happened to. Thats crappy. Thats why Im aimin to get some master pull. Thats really good stuff.

joshuasv 11-05-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GrnTJ (Post 155342)
Actually, hawse fairleads are made souly for the purpose of use with synthetic lines.
And deff. dont EVER winch steel line on a hawse fairlead. That will do the opposite effect and mess up the weaker aluminum fairlead.

I agree with that completly but i found this,http://www.winchdepot.com/PDT57602.aspx do company's just not know better? A winch sold with wire rope and hawse fairlead?!:confused:

GrnTJ 11-05-2007 09:03 PM

They just messed up I guess. I have seen that deal and Im not sure why they did that. Haha, just dont go with deal. Thats for sure.

Triple88a 11-05-2007 09:38 PM

....tree saver....
http://www.silverback1.com/jpg%20gif/Chain.jpg

tazmann910 11-05-2007 09:47 PM

You cannot be serious, it is little jokes like this that gives the 4 Wheeler's a bad name.

Although if you watch Extreme 4X4 you will see on one of the shows where they forget to use a tree saver while winching, and they caught hell for it.

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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 155579)


Triple88a 11-05-2007 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tazmann910 (Post 155582)
You cannot be serious, it is little jokes like this that gives the 4 Wheeler's a bad name.


hehe yep "tree saver" chain? lol :rofl::eek:

jeeperman 11-06-2007 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by joshuasv (Post 155548)
I agree with that completly but i found this,http://www.winchdepot.com/PDT57602.aspx do company's just not know better? A winch sold with wire rope and hawse fairlead?!:confused:

Some guys run hawse fairleads for the additional clearance that they offer over the roller type with wire rope. They have been doing it for years. Warn has always offered some of its less expensive winches with hawse fairleads instead of rollers.

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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 155584)
hehe yep "tree saver" chain? lol :rofl::eek:

:confused: What are you talking about. There is NOTHING funny about suggesting a chain for a tree saver in a thread with obviously new-to-winching Jeepers. :rolleyes:

A proper tree saver should always be used for winching off of a tree. The less damage we are doing to the environment around us when wheeling, the longer it will take for them to shut down our public land.

Triple88a 11-06-2007 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jeeperman (Post 155643)
:confused: What are you talking about. There is NOTHING funny about suggesting a chain for a tree saver in a thread with obviously new-to-winching Jeepers. :rolleyes:

he may be new to winching but i think he speaks English after all :doh:

does chain sound like a tree "saver" ;)

jeeperman 11-06-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 155645)
does chain sound like a tree "saver" ;)

It does as much as "strap":rolleyes:

Triple88a 11-06-2007 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jeeperman (Post 155652)
It does as much as "strap":rolleyes:

hehe strap sounds softer :rofl:

1BLKJP 11-06-2007 02:43 PM

Determing what kind of weight rating for your winch will also come with what you are planning to wheel. I run a 9000i and have stalled it out dead pulling up a ledge. There are times when someone breaks we'll have to put 2 9000's on a rig to get it up. Generally however an 8k winch for a wrangler will be plenty.

I'm also running rope on mine and so far I like it. The boys like it too because they don't have to drag the heavy ass cable all over the place when hooking me in either. :D However I would not ever suggest running a roller fairlead with rope. It will chew it up in no time. A nice machined and polished Hawse Fairlead will be what you want.

joshuasv 11-06-2007 08:47 PM

Thanxs all for the responses. :wavey:Ya i may be new but am still considerate about my wheelin. Why just the other day I was contemplating wheeling over my neighbors flower garden just cause it looked like fun, but fell back on my better judgement and the fact that they would recognize my jeep!:flipoff:
One of my concerns was that if i got the 8000 that it would be fine for the stuff i wheel on now but would it gro with my ability to get myself in worse and worse situations. I'll never be pulling my jeep up a 10 ft cliff, but if i get it good and stuck I want to get out! Should i consider an affordable 9000 like the XD or XDi? For maybe another 300 or 400 bucks?

joshuasv 11-06-2007 11:48 PM

Anybody know anything about these winches?
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...epsv/warn1.jpghttp://www.winchdepot.com/PDT57931.aspx
I hear some prefer it on a jeep but don't know why. I only ask because there is one avalable used in good shape near me for around $500!:eek: Is it ok to use synth line with it?

jeeperman 11-07-2007 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by joshuasv (Post 155917)
Anybody know anything about these winches?
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...epsv/warn1.jpghttp://www.winchdepot.com/PDT57931.aspx
I hear some prefer it on a jeep but don't know why. I only ask because there is one avalable used in good shape near me for around $500!:eek: Is it ok to use synth line with it?

The 8274 has been around forever, and is a great winch. It is VERY fast under no load, and pulls very strong. It is also rebuildable (which some other winches aren't). The downside is that it is very tall, and some people don't like the look, or feel that it restricts airflow through the radiator, and prevents proper cooling of the motor. That being said, if you find a good one for around $500.... BUY IT! Just make sure that it is in good working order, and find out why they are selling. And yes, you can use synthetic line with that winch.

MouthfulOfGrass 11-07-2007 03:16 PM

Good info ! Thanks you all. Very good thread.

1BLKJP 11-07-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuasv (Post 155872)
Thanxs all for the responses. :wavey:Ya i may be new but am still considerate about my wheelin. Why just the other day I was contemplating wheeling over my neighbors flower garden just cause it looked like fun, but fell back on my better judgement and the fact that they would recognize my jeep!:flipoff:
One of my concerns was that if i got the 8000 that it would be fine for the stuff i wheel on now but would it gro with my ability to get myself in worse and worse situations. I'll never be pulling my jeep up a 10 ft cliff, but if i get it good and stuck I want to get out! Should i consider an affordable 9000 like the XD or XDi? For maybe another 300 or 400 bucks?

It's really a tough call. usually in mud and trail running you aren't going to have a dead pull situation. Even if you are pulling some sort of bigger vehicle they will still be trying to help you out and slowing gaining traction on their own. Winches also hold their value pretty well. So if you decided you want to upgrade in the future selling your 8000 will help offset the cost.

joshuasv 11-09-2007 09:48 PM

Someone told me recently that if i was in a dead pull situation And used a snatch block pully (IE from my winch through the snatch block and back to my rig) i would efectivly double the winches output? :confused:8000 to 16000?:eek: Sounds like reasonable science but I was never a science major so ??

98TJ 11-09-2007 09:58 PM

I was wondering if anyone has heard of or purchased an ATLAS winch. I found it online and the specs on it are about the same as the competition. They sell a 9,500lb winch, roller fairlead and a free winch mounting plate for $400. I am a little skeptical about this as i have never heard of this company before. Anyone else?

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/At.../atdf9500w.htm

GrnTJ 11-09-2007 10:09 PM

Cant say Ive ever heard of an Atlas winch but it looks pretty good to me. For $400 it may be worth a shot. You'll fins most winchs, even off brand, will do what they are made to. But you will deff. pay for the better and faster ones. As far as a snatch block. Thats correct. Using a snatch block will come close to doubling your pulling power. Its a great thing to have for those situations that happen to come a long once in a while.

Digger 5 11-11-2007 04:12 PM

The Warn 8274 is one of the best winches ever built. I've had 2 of those and 2 Warn 9500's. I really prefer the 8274 but it does put a huge load on your battery. The planetary gear style, like the 9500's, uses much less amperage. The 8274 also uses 150' of cable which can really come in handy.

I think of my winch as a tool. When I need it I want to be sure it's going to work. In 20 years I've never had any of my Warn winches fail. I've seen Warn winches fail, but that has ALWAYS been due to lack of maintenance. I've seen other brands fail including a brand new Ramsey that had the motor break off during a heavy pull. Warranties will only get you so far. I've yet to see a company come up to the trail to warranty a broken part. My best tools go on the trial with me. Junk Chinese crap stays home.

doc_floyd 11-12-2007 08:22 PM

Important, but not said - as I recall - is training and practice in how best to use a winch, including having a snatch block (and yes, a tree saver). Include in your winch bag a heavy set of gloves (even with syn line), consider a safety chain to tie off to another vehicle as an anchor or to use some natural stop. The first dozen times you use it is practice, then when you do it for real, it is a natural act (for shooters remember how many rounds you had to fire through a weapon before it became a natural and easy act).

1BLKJP 11-13-2007 03:04 PM

There was a large group of us wheeling this weekend and one of the obstacles was a waterfall that only 3 of the rigs made it up unassisted. The rest of us had to pull cable. Probably 6 or so of us had some sort of Warn on our rig and had no problems at all. One guy had some sort of lesser known and vastly cheaper winch on his rig and the winch seized up on us when trying to pull his cable out. Ended up breaking the release knob trying to get it to release and it still never would.

This and the fact that Warn has been in business for a vast number of years is why I went with a Warn over many other manufacturers. I'm not taking anthing away from them however I wanted the peace of mind that my winch was going to work no matter what and if for some reason I had a problem with it I can get parts locally in my town.


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