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RIPBiker13 11-13-2007 05:53 PM

1911 Old or ahead of its time?
 
A lot of people swear by the 1911, and every time you open a gun magazine they are all you see! For decades upon decades they are, for the most part unchanged. They are the platform on which all other semi autos are compared, and they just look plain cool. :D

So is the 1911 old technology, or was it made ahead of its time?

02Prove 11-13-2007 05:56 PM

I think it's more of a "if it ain't broke" approach to a fine firearm.

I personally do not like the 1911 but I do appreciate the fact that it is a fine weapon and very well made. I have nothing bad to say about it. My dislike is more of a presonal preference instead of a true dislike.

RIPBiker13 11-13-2007 05:59 PM

There is a lot to appreciate, but there HAS to be more to it. I'm just not seeing it yet. Thats why I've been racking my brain! :doh:

4.0l sahara 11-13-2007 08:59 PM

Ya but if you think about it the basic way this gun works hasn't changed much in a modern handgun. Still use same basic parts and principles.:D

4.0l sahara 11-13-2007 09:06 PM

My grandfather gave me his 1911 from ww2. I'm not old enough to own or buy a hand gun but my dad keeps it for me. When I first shot it I couldn't belive it shot just as good as a new 1911 I shot. It goes to show just how good of a good gun it is.:D

RIPBiker13 11-14-2007 02:46 PM

Any pics? :D

4.0l sahara 11-14-2007 03:46 PM

little worn looking but who cares it's old.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...n/DSC04833.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...n/DSC04832.jpg

RIPBiker13 11-14-2007 05:22 PM

You posted hose pics in the other thread, didn't realize it was the same gun you were talking about. Worn just means it been around.

If only that gun could talk...

4.0l sahara 11-14-2007 06:24 PM

The only real thing I know is he killed some japs with it.:eek:

Unlimited 11-14-2007 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripbiker13 (Post 158067)
There is a lot to appreciate, but there HAS to be more to it. I'm just not seeing it yet. Thats why I've been racking my brain! :doh:

If it has to be explained to you, you won't get it.....

SPDSNYPR 11-14-2007 10:20 PM

I don't think you could say it's one or the other. It was definitely ahead of it's time, but I think that since it is a damn-near 100 year old design, it is somewhat dated in design. Yes, it is still very effective, but it has some disadvantages to other designs (mainly from manufacturing, cost, and parts interchangability perspectives). I have shot many, and like the trigger. The ergos on it really don't do it for me, and I really like higher capacity (hey - I might miss when I'm scared). But I would not cry too loud if I had to carry one. It is much better than many designs out there, and I do have a soft spot in my heart for the .45 ACP.

RIPBiker13 11-14-2007 11:01 PM

I agree, there are some crazy designs out there. The 1911 has a great trigger I think, and the only problem I have with carrying one is it has 3 manual safeties. I prefer guns with out safeties. They are beautiful, and I'm gonna get one in a couple months. The Mrs. said to hurry up and get it so I can buy a Desert Eagle. She likes them! :D

skeeter 11-14-2007 11:20 PM

3 safeties?
Mine has 1 manual safety and one grip safety. The grip safety if automatic. If it's in my hand the safety is off, if it's not in my hand the safety is on.

RIPBiker13 11-14-2007 11:32 PM

The 3rd is the half cock in the hammer. And anybody can get used to anything. I'm not saying anything bad about the 1911, I like them. Just wanted to know why everyone else does too.

skeeter 11-14-2007 11:48 PM

The half cock isn't a safety and it should never be carried with a round in the chamber and on half cock.
The 1911 should be carried either fully cocked with safety on with a round in the chamber or hammer down on an empty chamber.
The purpose of half cock is to catch the hammer if it slips when manually cocking or decocking the hammer.
The phrase "going off half cocked" comes from people trying to use it as "safe" way to carry.


ETA:
I like the 1911 for it's history of service, it's beautiful design and it's adaptability.
1911's are a lot like Jeeps, start a picture thread and you'll see all kinds of variations where people have tailored them to their tastes. Anything from stunningly beautiful safe queens to beat up old work horses. Try that with a Tupperware™ gun.
Few "modern" guns lend themselves so well to customization. Throughout history man has attempted to add art to his weapons.

RIPBiker13 11-15-2007 12:22 AM

Well my "modern" Kahr is having a custom grip made, and I'm gonna do a little custom work to it as well. But the 1911 is by far the most modified gun ever I think. However, and gun can be customized.

hutchman 11-15-2007 12:49 AM

I think I posted these before, but here they are again.....

http://www.hutch.smugmug.com/photos/16504568-M.jpg

There is something about a 1911 that speaks to me. It is like a Jeep........

Joe Dirt 11-15-2007 02:36 AM

Way ahead of it's time thanks to John Browning. That goes for every gun he designed (M1, BAR and .30 MG). He may have done more to make America a superpower than any other man.

4Jeepn 11-15-2007 06:32 AM

I guess I will use a jeep reference to say why it has such a following: Several years ago at a jeep event, with all the modded jeeps, super cool suspensions, gizmo's and the like a rather plain looking truck and trailer pulled in at the far end of the parking lot. Very few people noticed it. The owner then went to unload his Jeep off the trailer. The sound of the engine, who's muffler needed help, got people's attention, and soon a crowd of about 30-40 people began to walk away from the super modded jeeps, and gizmo's and head to the far end of the parking lot. I think the owner was a little taken back as this crowd formed around his jeep. For what ever reason his rusty, no top, bad running 1940 something Willys MB was now in the spot lite. There is just something about an old Jeep like that.

Same go's for the 1911, its about history, its about, knowing what that gun ment to so many people. Thus, its living working history you can hold in your hand. That still can do the job if called upon.

RIPBiker13 11-15-2007 01:07 PM

Wow 4Jeepn, Great story. I think you hit the nail on the head. Most old guys you ask will say the 1911 got them into and out of more crap than anything else in those days. New or old, they have a history and the old guy that used them will share if you just ask.

mdg 11-15-2007 06:45 PM

it all depends on what you want it for;

If I want to shoot someone I want it to be a .45acp, (unless it is from a distance then I want a scoped 308)

For everyday carry if you are a larger guy, it is not too hard to pull off a 1911. HOWEVER

if you are looking to shoot for score (Idpa/USPSA) then the plastic 45s cycle faster, I shoot an XD for competition, but whenever I get the chance to shoot people (not often enough:punk:) I'll reach for my 1911.

SPDSNYPR 11-15-2007 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdg (Post 158896)
. . . . but whenever I get the chance to shoot people (not often enough:punk:) I'll reach for my 1911.


Again - just "wow."

RIPBiker13 11-15-2007 08:06 PM

Yeah, that WAS kinda creepy huh? :rofl:

02Prove 11-15-2007 08:07 PM

...must be a fine employee of the American Postal Service. http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...ley/unsure.gif

Joe Dirt 11-16-2007 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by mdg
. . . . but whenever I get the chance to shoot people (not often enough) I'll reach for my 1911.


You guys act like it's a bad thing. Don't tell me you don't have a list!

RIPBiker13 11-16-2007 12:08 AM

I can neither confirm nor deny... :D :flipoff:

02Prove 11-16-2007 08:23 AM

Str8 ethuggin yo... :rolleyes:


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