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max-1 01-13-2012 06:16 PM

AEV front bumper owners
 
I am seriously considering purchasing an AEV premium front bumper for my 2012 JKUR. But was wondering if there would be any adverse effects on the ride and handling of the stock jeep because of the bumper and winch weight. Especially since I am not planning on any lift or suspension modification.
My second concern is, the skid plate installation mentions cutting and grinding sections of the cross member bar of the frame. Is that really required if so how difficult and time consuming was that?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

willee51 01-13-2012 06:19 PM

Well
 
... at the same time I got new 4x4 bumpers, winch & a 2' spacer lift ;)

No change in the ride :thumb:

kbwwolf 01-13-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1918267)
I am seriously considering purchasing an AEV premium front bumper for my 2012 JKUR. But was wondering if there would be any adverse effects on the ride and handling of the stock jeep because of the bumper and winch weight. Especially since I am not planning on any lift or suspension modification.
My second concern is, the skid plate installation mentions cutting and grinding sections of the cross member bar of the frame. Is that really required if so how difficult and time consuming was that?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

You'll lose nearly an inch on the front with that bumper / winch combo and no suspension mods. This will further increase the factory rake your Jeep came with. In other words, your Jeep will be tilted forward a significant amount. It's probably gonna feel kinda sluggish, at best.

What skidplate are you talking about? Have you already bought it? I think there are versions where the cutting and grinding wouldn't be necessary.

max-1 01-13-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 1918314)
You'll lose nearly an inch on the front with that bumper / winch combo and no suspension mods. This will further increase the factory rake your Jeep came with. In other words, your Jeep will be tilted forward a significant amount. It's probably gonna feel kinda sluggish, at best.

What skidplate are you talking about? Have you already bought it? I think there are versions where the cutting and grinding wouldn't be necessary.

It is the bumper skid plate, No I have not bought it yet. here is the installation, chek out page-4
http://www.aev-conversions.com/ishee...SKID_PLATE.pdf

kbwwolf 01-13-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1918447)
It is the bumper skid plate, No I have not bought it yet. here is the installation, chek out page-4
http://www.aev-conversions.com/ishee...SKID_PLATE.pdf


My bad...I was thinking of something underneath your Jeep, not in the bumper area. I've heard the skid that comes with the bumper isn't too hard to install. Shouldn't be a big deal.

EDIT: Just checked out the directions...no problem. Just make sure you do the rust inhibitor steps...couple coats of Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer followed by a couple coats of protective enamel should do the trick.

kbwwolf 01-13-2012 07:21 PM

You should do something to address the sag issue, though. Either buy a set of Rubicon springs (19's for the front/60's for the rear), or a TeraFlex leveling kit to compensate for your Jeep's rake.

Neither one is overly expensive. They won't mess up your Jeep's handling any, either.

thekidd 01-14-2012 04:45 PM

Should I be ok with the stock rubicon springs if I am installing a bumper from ACE Engineering?? Thanks

Comac90 01-14-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1918267)
I am seriously considering purchasing an AEV premium front bumper for my 2012 JKUR. But was wondering if there would be any adverse effects on the ride and handling of the stock jeep because of the bumper and winch weight. Especially since I am not planning on any lift or suspension modification.
My second concern is, the skid plate installation mentions cutting and grinding sections of the cross member bar of the frame. Is that really required if so how difficult and time consuming was that?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

IMHO, address the spring issue. You're going to lose significant clearance on an already 'low' front end and your ride will suffer. The stock springs aren't designed for that kind of weight.

Also IMO, get the bumper ... but ditch the winch and use the money on AEV's new 2.5" spring lift. At $1350, the lift is roughly the same price as a Warn 9.5cti - your handling will improve and you'll be able to easily support any future bumper mods, front and rear - not to mention add 33s or 35s if you ever decide you want to go up in tire size. Besides, if you're wheeling trails that are going to require a winch, there's probably (or should be :D ) someone close by with one...

T

Comac90 01-14-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Comac90 (Post 1921868)
At $1350, the lift is roughly the same price as a Warn 9.5cti - your handling will improve ......

And, rumor is the $1350 on their website isn't correct ... that's when it actually comes available, the kit will be sub-$1k. We should see soon enough...
T

TonyT 01-14-2012 10:21 PM

Hi all, first post here.

I would not do the AEV bumper on a stock jeep unless you need the full width protection and winch. I would do somthing short or mid-width to significantly keep the weight down. It will save you cost, weight savings and ride quality.

The AEV bumpers are heavy stuff. And for the money, there's a lot of better solutions out there.

I know cause I have one:
http://gallery.me.com/tonytownsend/1...13253073940001

max-1 01-16-2012 01:10 PM

Thanks Guys,
After 25 years of hitting the dirt, mud, snow and ice with a winch on my truck, going out there without one would feel naked!
Definitely need the winch and full front protection, and love the AEV stamped bumper, just did not want to mess with the suspension and lift the Rubi. May have to reconsider that.
Wondering if anybody out there with an AEV and stock suspension, also does the fact that I almost always have couple of hundred pounds of tools, and stuff in the back makes any difference in leveling the Rubi?

Hatt-Attack 01-16-2012 09:16 PM

I just did this install yesterday on my 2012 jku rubicon with 9.5cti winch. It's a fairly involved install and the instructions tell 80% of the story. You'll need 120 volt angle grinder with grinding wheel and cut off wheel. A dremel tool with drum sanding bit handy too as you should trim sections of front plastic grill to pull off later. FYI, you have to take bolts out of winch and tilt forward to get grill in even after trimming where body mounts protrude. Also, will have to cut one side of fog light connector and splice in about 6 inches wire as that "7 inches" they talk about in install manual isn't enough if you run loom behind winch as I believe you should.. Get about 2 feet of extra protective wire loom too for what u do undo from stock loom. Regarding war n 9.5 cti winch, it uses 2 awg wire. The positive side is about 18 inches short of optimal run. I made it work by running up air conditioning tubing as I had everything apart and needed to keep to work today. The closed barrel terminals have an eye that is 1 size to big as well. You can get high quality tinned marine wire and lugs at genuinedealz.com, but then you get into heavy duty crimpers. I have all this stuff (restored 43' Hatteras recently). Installing the tow brackets, you will need to grind more metal and washers to properly fit the front of chassis where you have to drill 1/2 inch holes. Same goes for winch plate where you have widen hole to 1/2". You also have to trim away some metal on stock vacuum pump bracket, the 2012 kit has a relocation bracket. One last thing, you may have to relocate outdoor air temp sensor, depending how much you want to trim front grill to clear it so you can take off later. Yep, stock shes sitting lower up front, I noticed it. Putting on rock crawler 3.5 inch lift as soon as they get their rrd shocks in stock (feb), so I'm not worried about.

KarlG 01-16-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyT (Post 1922261)
Hi all, first post here.

I know cause I have one:

Welcome! ARB bumper?

NFRs2000NYC 01-16-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 1918314)
You'll lose nearly an inch on the front with that bumper / winch combo and no suspension mods. This will further increase the factory rake your Jeep came with. In other words, your Jeep will be tilted forward a significant amount. It's probably gonna feel kinda sluggish, at best.

What skidplate are you talking about? Have you already bought it? I think there are versions where the cutting and grinding wouldn't be necessary.

I would say 1 and 3/4 inches. My JKU sagged 3/4 of an inch ONLY from a Rampage bumper. The winch would have added even more, and I think the AEV is heavier than the rampage (although not by much.) I didn't notice a difference in ride quality nor acceleration. Technically, one loses a tenth of a second in the 1/4 mile for every 100lbs, which is impossible to feel with the butt dyno.

PieFace 01-16-2012 11:04 PM

i was looking at the AEV bumper too. Im trying to do the 35s and not ruin gas mileage. I should be trying to keep the weight down anywhere I can.

I cant find anything else that looks as good with the factory flares that I dont want to change.

Poison spyder and nemesis have some good options, but then im changing flares.

Any other suggestions for a good looking bumper that i can keep the factory flares with?

NFRs2000NYC 01-17-2012 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PieFace (Post 1929275)
i was looking at the AEV bumper too. Im trying to do the 35s and not ruin gas mileage. I should be trying to keep the weight down anywhere I can.

I cant find anything else that looks as good with the factory flares that I dont want to change.

Poison spyder and nemesis have some good options, but then im changing flares.

Any other suggestions for a good looking bumper that i can keep the factory flares with?

The weight of the truck is not NEARLY the concern you should have, but rather, the rotational mass of the tires themselves. Re-gearing would probably let you keep your mileage decent, but unless you are going to shed some SERIOUS weight, I don't think it will matter.

bo9roadking 01-17-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PieFace (Post 1929275)
i was looking at the AEV bumper too. Im trying to do the 35s and not ruin gas mileage. I should be trying to keep the weight down anywhere I can.

I cant find anything else that looks as good with the factory flares that I dont want to change.

Poison spyder and nemesis have some good options, but then im changing flares.

Any other suggestions for a good looking bumper that i can keep the factory flares with?

I have the Expedition One bumper and I think it looks good with the factory fenders. It fits high and tight for the ground clearance and it is a full width bumper for the added frontal protection. I don't have a good picture of it mounted on my Jeep, so I grabbed the photo off the Expedition One website. http://www.exp-one.com/joomla/index....pers&Itemid=92

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max-1 01-17-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatt-Attack (Post 1928830)
I just did this install yesterday on my 2012 jku rubicon with 9.5cti winch. It's a fairly involved install and the instructions tell 80% of the story. You'll need 120 volt angle grinder with grinding wheel and cut off wheel. A dremel tool with drum sanding bit handy too as you should trim sections of front plastic grill to pull off later. FYI, you have to take bolts out of winch and tilt forward to get grill in even after trimming where body mounts protrude. Also, will have to cut one side of fog light connector and splice in about 6 inches wire as that "7 inches" they talk about in install manual isn't enough if you run loom behind winch as I believe you should.. Get about 2 feet of extra protective wire loom too for what u do undo from stock loom. Regarding war n 9.5 cti winch, it uses 2 awg wire. The positive side is about 18 inches short of optimal run. I made it work by running up air conditioning tubing as I had everything apart and needed to keep to work today. The closed barrel terminals have an eye that is 1 size to big as well. You can get high quality tinned marine wire and lugs at genuinedealz.com, but then you get into heavy duty crimpers. I have all this stuff (restored 43' Hatteras recently). Installing the tow brackets, you will need to grind more metal and washers to properly fit the front of chassis where you have to drill 1/2 inch holes. Same goes for winch plate where you have widen hole to 1/2". You also have to trim away some metal on stock vacuum pump bracket, the 2012 kit has a relocation bracket. One last thing, you may have to relocate outdoor air temp sensor, depending how much you want to trim front grill to clear it so you can take off later. Yep, stock shes sitting lower up front, I noticed it. Putting on rock crawler 3.5 inch lift as soon as they get their rrd shocks in stock (feb), so I'm not worried about.


Wow, Now that seem like a serious amount of mod and work! How much time did you spend on the install? I would have thought that things would line up better and the bumper go on a lot easier!

Thanks for all the detail tips, I know I will use it when time comes.

max-1 01-17-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlG (Post 1929159)
Welcome! ARB bumper?

ARB is my second choice. is that what you have? if so how did it impact your stock JHUR ride, and How was the install?
Thanks

KarlG 01-19-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1930815)
ARB is my second choice. is that what you have? if so how did it impact your stock JHUR ride, and How was the install?
Thanks

ARB would be my second choice as well. Mine is currently stock. I ordered the Mopar (AEV) bumper but gave up after 3 months of waiting. Current plans are for an AEV Premium.

YetiPags 01-19-2012 10:46 PM

Yes, the wait for the Mopar (AEV) bumper is brutal. Latest from the dealership is they are getting mine in on Feb. 6th. That was an update from today. Last week they said it would be coming in this past Monday...

Bulldawgs 01-20-2012 01:09 PM

I installed the AEV Premium about 4 months ago with the Warn DX9000i. It did take some time to do as posted by Hatt-Attack. I was fininshed in about 7hrs. If you plan for a full day you will not be rushed and will get it done without any major hassles. The only part I had to trim was one of the driving light brackets because I did not like the way it sat in the bumper. That said I had no problems and all the holes lined up but I should mention you have to drill a couple of extra holes, no problem. I did use loom for the factory driving lights after I followed the instructions to extend the line but as mentioned above you may have to rework the wires a little to ensure there is no stress on the cables. All in all I love the bumper and have had nothing but compliments. I too started this mod not wanting to do any lift or suspension mods but once I was done.... well, now that the bumper, winch and lights are on, I will at the minimum install a leveling kit. I find the rake a little much, the look anyway. I do not find the jeep sluggish nor do I find the rake to be too much of an issue (at this time) but I would like the jeep to sit level.
Good luck

max-1 01-20-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YetiPags (Post 1939960)
Yes, the wait for the Mopar (AEV) bumper is brutal. Latest from the dealership is they are getting mine in on Feb. 6th. That was an update from today. Last week they said it would be coming in this past Monday...

What is a "MOPAR (AEV)"???

max-1 01-20-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulldawgs (Post 1941586)
I installed the AEV Premium about 4 months ago with the Warn DX9000i. It did take some time to do as posted by Hatt-Attack. I was fininshed in about 7hrs. If you plan for a full day you will not be rushed and will get it done without any major hassles. The only part I had to trim was one of the driving light brackets because I did not like the way it sat in the bumper. That said I had no problems and all the holes lined up but I should mention you have to drill a couple of extra holes, no problem. I did use loom for the factory driving lights after I followed the instructions to extend the line but as mentioned above you may have to rework the wires a little to ensure there is no stress on the cables. All in all I love the bumper and have had nothing but compliments. I too started this mod not wanting to do any lift or suspension mods but once I was done.... well, now that the bumper, winch and lights are on, I will at the minimum install a leveling kit. I find the rake a little much, the look anyway. I do not find the jeep sluggish nor do I find the rake to be too much of an issue (at this time) but I would like the jeep to sit level.
Good luck

Thanks a lot Bulldawgs,
How is the ride now with the bumper and winch installed? Does it feel any different with the stock suspension?

YetiPags 01-20-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1942079)
What is a "MOPAR (AEV)"???

AEV is supplying Mopar with their Premium Front Bumpers now, same as an AEV but you get it from the dealership and they call it the Mopar Premium Front Bumper.

I see you are from Santa Cruz, nice place, spent some time there a while back. Have a good weekend.

NJRubicon 01-20-2012 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyT (Post 1922261)
Hi all, first post here.

I would not do the AEV bumper on a stock jeep unless you need the full width protection and winch. I would do somthing short or mid-width to significantly keep the weight down. It will save you cost, weight savings and ride quality.

The AEV bumpers are heavy stuff. And for the money, there's a lot of better solutions out there.

I know cause I have one:
http://gallery.me.com/tonytownsend/1...13253073940001

what bumper do you have, and do you have any other pix of it? I just got a 12 JKR, two things I've always hated about stock JK's are the flares and front bumper. Gonna order Bushwackers and deciding on a bumper. I like the look of yours, I saw an AEV that was around $1100 that I liked, but then found an ARB for $912. ARB seems to be a more common brand, I was wondering if yours was either of those. thanks.

Bulldawgs 01-20-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by max-1 (Post 1942136)
Thanks a lot Bulldawgs,
How is the ride now with the bumper and winchh installed? Does it feel any different with the stock suspension?

Honestly I cant tell the difference in the ride. I should have measured the front end hight before the change over to see the difference. I just stepped away from the computer and went out to the jeep and measured the rear hight, 36" and the front is 35" on the nose. 1 inch difference from level. In the spring I will put in a leveling kit to bring it up but honestly I really dont know what all the hype about the front end rake is all about. I'm going to raise it because I like the look of the jeep when its level. I understand aproach angle etc but we are talking 1 inch, someone who knows more will have to explain it too me. As for the jeep being sluggish etc... to me it does not feel any different than stock. Right now I am running 32" blizaks and in the spring I will put back on my 33's that are almost 12" wide, that I can feel the difference in the ride and performance. All I know is that I love the bumper.
Good luck

1CrzyCelt 01-20-2012 09:43 PM

ok, so now I'm pretty much talked OUT-OF the AEV bumper.

max-1 01-23-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldawgs (Post 1943311)
Honestly I cant tell the difference in the ride. I should have measured the front end hight before the change over to see the difference. I just stepped away from the computer and went out to the jeep and measured the rear hight, 36" and the front is 35" on the nose. 1 inch difference from level. In the spring I will put in a leveling kit to bring it up but honestly I really dont know what all the hype about the front end rake is all about. I'm going to raise it because I like the look of the jeep when its level. I understand aproach angle etc but we are talking 1 inch, someone who knows more will have to explain it too me. As for the jeep being sluggish etc... to me it does not feel any different than stock. Right now I am running 32" blizaks and in the spring I will put back on my 33's that are almost 12" wide, that I can feel the difference in the ride and performance. All I know is that I love the bumper.
Good luck


Thanks, that is good info to help me decide on the bumper, AEV just looks great and If I do not have to mess with the suspension that is even better.
I can measure my stock JKUR front high and figure out what the diff is! That 35” on the front is from ground to where on your jeep? I know you mentioned you do not have stock tire on now so that will make a different I suppose. but they are 32", which is the stock size, right?
BTW, how are the Blizaks working for you? I have heard a lot of good thing about does for snow and Ice. I would love to see a photo or a link.
Thanks
Max

Nvrmor 01-23-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YetiPags (Post 1939960)
Yes, the wait for the Mopar (AEV) bumper is brutal. Latest from the dealership is they are getting mine in on Feb. 6th. That was an update from today. Last week they said it would be coming in this past Monday...

Yeah, AEV has been pretty backlogged on Bumpers and hoods because of the 3500 MW3 Editions, and all the stuff for mopar.


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