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sahara13 01-14-2012 06:13 PM

Jeep tools Craftsman "Made in China_
 
So I needed to replace vice grips since my teeth were really worn down. The pair I bought in 2004 is stamped "Made in USA". My new pair "Made in China". I studied the construction and quality of the steel and the new ones look pretty good. Why did Craftsman have to go and make a classic American made reliable tool in China? I have craftsman tools from my Grandpa made in the 50s and 60s that I still use!

gbtb87 01-14-2012 06:24 PM

Just makes yousick , doesn't it?
soon we will all :surrender:

godsey97 01-14-2012 06:48 PM

Could not agree more. The older Craftsman stuff I inherited from my Grandfather is far superior to the junk that is on the shelves now. I have a ratchet from him that is still smooth as silk, one of the old ones without the snap ring holding the head together. I have a newer 3/8 ratchet that I have had to have the "guts" replaced in twice. Used to be Craftsman or nothing in this house, now I tend to gravitate to Kobalt. I know it started before the merger, but as soon as I heard that Sears and K-mart were merging, I told my wife that it was all over but the crying for Sears and Craftsman.:nonono:

Pontiackid87 01-14-2012 07:36 PM

Better than made in Korea. China looks at stuff made in Korea and calls it a POS.

Arch Stanton 01-15-2012 12:40 PM

I was at Sears yesterday and found many tools with the Craftsman label made in China. Before they were using the Evolv green label for the tools made in China. The Harbor Freight "Pittsburgh" tool are made in Taiwan. What a joke how they give there products American names and they're made in in Asia. There's now not much difference between HF and Sears. Sears should have kept the Craftsman brand for made-in-USA tools. This indeed is a big disappointment!

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 12:47 PM

They make something like 10-20% overseas, mostly under the evolv name. It's a crying shame. But 10-20% (can't remember exactly) is better than most companies, i just bought a set of hand tools along with a torque wrench and they all have made in USA stamped on them. I dont buy the stuff there unless it says made in USA

Arch Stanton 01-15-2012 12:58 PM

Hopefully, Sears will still carry Made-in-USA Craftsman tools!


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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 (Post 1923437)
They make something like 10-20% overseas, mostly under the evolv name. It's a crying shame. But 10-20% (can't remember exactly) is better than most companies, i just bought a set of hand tools along with a torque wrench and they all have made in USA stamped on them. I dont buy the stuff there unless it says made in USA


locked 01-15-2012 01:10 PM

I an probably the biggest hater of Chinese crap that I know. I can understand the money end of it from craftsman point of view, but morally it's wrong. Another American name gone Chinese. I Will NOT buy Chinese craftsman products. It's just not right, if people stopped buying Chinese they would have to bring it back home. Creating jobs that my family and friends need. I have loved craftsman for along time- but I'll spend 3x the amount for a particular tool from matco or snap on before I'll buy Chinese tool.

Thank you- have a wonderful day! ;)

Celtic 01-15-2012 01:25 PM

Don't know how it is where you folks are, but Sears is boarding up quite a few of their stores in my area. I hardly see any vehicles in the parking lots of the ones that are still open.

The Toolman 01-15-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Celtic
Don't know how it is where you folks are, but Sears is boarding up quite a few of their stores in my area. I hardly see any vehicles in the parking lots of the ones that are still open.

It's the same here. I will be honest, we are a bunch of Southern country boys around here who love their country. Anywhere that goes with overseas mfg. loses the business. Sears is no different, heck, read my reply in the "New Jeeps vs. Old Jeeps" thread. That'll give you a good idea of how I feel about the subject. It also makes me fear for the future of Jeeps, look how much they've screwed them up lately.

rkidd 01-15-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Celtic (Post 1923527)
Don't know how it is where you folks are, but Sears is boarding up quite a few of their stores in my area. I hardly see any vehicles in the parking lots of the ones that are still open.

I agree they are in trouble like alot of american companies. I used to buy alot of craftsman tools because snap-on and matco are so expensive but if they are not made in the USA, looks like Im going back to snap-on.
Hey Celtic I see you live in shenandoah valley. I do alot of backpacking in your area. I love it there. Have a good one.:thumb:

Celtic 01-15-2012 02:02 PM

Toolman and rkidd,

Thanks for the input. Makes a lot of sense to me. I am a displaced Yankee now living south of the Mason-Dixon Line (and lovin' every second of it). Sears here closed just a little while after I got the torx bits for my dual tops. I have always liked Snap-On too, even though as you say, on the expensive side.

Have a good one!

chucky cheese 01-15-2012 06:27 PM

If Craftsman were to be manufactured in the USA you would look at the price and say HE!! no. Like I have said before people will go for price before quality. The only way Sears and Craftsman can stay competitive is to slash costs. And it still comes down to the American public buying. They will always go with price over quality. So for the few of you who say buy american I applaud you. But I do not think it is enough to pull Sears and Craftsman out of the bilge. This is not your grandfathers tools anymore.

locked 01-15-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chucky cheese (Post 1924461)
If Craftsman were to be manufactured in the USA you would look at the price and say HE!! no. Like I have said before people will go for price before quality. The only way Sears and Craftsman can stay competitive is to slash costs. And it still comes down to the American public buying. They will always go with price over quality. So for the few of you who say buy american I applaud you. But I do not think it is enough to pull Sears and Craftsman out of the bilge. This is not your grandfathers tools anymore.

I agree, its like voting: "one vote doesnt matter" but if everyone feels that way nothing gets changed...I am almost 100% positive a few of us country boys buying only American wont stop the China take-over, but I damn sure wont contribute to the collapse of our American structure. I understand its hard to walk into a store i.e Sears, and compare two screwdrivers: Craftsman: USA, 4.99 Evolv: China 1.99...most people buy the the less expensive screwdriver, personally When I am standing in the isle looking at that shelf containing the screwdrivers, I am thinking--4.99 to support American families, or 1.99 and support a sweatshop and failing economy. I totally see both fields of view. Sad reality...but true.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 07:08 PM

^ your so right. I've been in a factory that went from 300 employee's to TEN. because of china. Very sad. I'll buy the $5 screw driver because it is made with pride!

The Toolman 01-15-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gbtb87 (Post 1921426)
Just makes yousick , doesn't it?

Yes it does, very disgusted actually. :nonono:

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Originally Posted by gbtb87 (Post 1921426)
soon we will all :surrender:

Nope, not this American country boy. I'll die with an American made gun in my hands first :thumb:

mjf232 01-15-2012 10:03 PM

I've noticed the decline in craftsman tools for some time now too. I was upset about it at first, like others said I inherited some as well that are still great tools after 50 + yrs. But the newer tools arent quality and I'd rather pay for quality. You get what you pay for.

Green Bay TJ 03-10-2012 12:10 PM

I had no idea. My 9 year old son got me a couple Craftsman wrenches to fill a couple gaps for Christmas. Now i'll have to go check for Made in USA on my wrenches. Just a month or so ago we were talking about something, and he asks me, "Is everything made in China?" 9 years old.

willee51 03-10-2012 04:15 PM

Amen!
 
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Originally Posted by locked (Post 1923490)
I an probably the biggest hater of Chinese crap that I know. I can understand the money end of it from craftsman point of view, but morally it's wrong. Another American name gone Chinese. I Will NOT buy Chinese craftsman products. It's just not right, if people stopped buying Chinese they would have to bring it back home. Creating jobs that my family and friends need. I have loved craftsman for along time- but I'll spend 3x the amount for a particular tool from matco or snap on before I'll buy Chinese tool.

Thank you- have a wonderful day! ;)

All members here at "WF" should pledge to go "ALL American" from this point forward!

My rear bumper, I paid a bit more to get it from LoD, cause its MADE in America" :thumb:

PeteH 03-11-2012 10:39 AM

There was a newsclip a few months back that Vise-Grip ITSELF was moving production to China. I've been looking for US-made pliers at yard sales ever since.

SilverSport 03-11-2012 10:54 AM

I always try to buy American even if it means paying more! Makes me wish we had a flag smilie.

KA3PIT 03-12-2012 03:46 PM

:facepalm:

Celtic 03-12-2012 04:25 PM

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Mr Mac 03-12-2012 04:57 PM

If you want your tools and such made in America then you need to send a letter or call your elected officials starting with local, then state and then federal. Most companies seek to manufacture goods outside the US for many reasons and among them is to stay competitive in the market place and to reduce overhead (cost of doing business).

One thing that drives this is the amount of taxation a company is subjected to on many different fronts. Local, state and federal taxes are not dropping and many companies have left town for just those reasons. In some cases they move across state lines and get relief, in other cases they have to cross borders. St Louis is a veritable ghost town compared to the way it was several years ago. The state just hammered all those business with excessive taxes and drove them right out of the state.

Another big issue is the US consumer. When we buy we tend to buy on price forgetting that you get what you pay for. In order for companies to keep up with Wal-Mart they have to take drastic measures and that means going someplace where there are no unions or health care costs like we have here.

Want some good news? The cost of manufacturing goods in China is starting to skyrocket and companies are starting to bring it all back here!

Finally, most of the hand tools (ratchets, sockets, wrenches, etc.) made for Sears and the Craftsman line are still US made. The Craftsman specialty tools, the evolv and Universal lines are Chinese as are most of the power tools. One thing to remember, Craftsman doesn't actually make the tools, other companies do. Companies like Danaher still make all their tools here. Some power tools are made by Ryobi, Bosch, etc.

Did you know that at one point in the 1980s Craftsman hand tools were made in Japan?

The Toolman 03-12-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 2132450)
If you want your tools and such made in America then you need to send a letter or call your elected officials starting with local, then state and then federal. Most companies seek to manufacture goods outside the US for many reasons and among them is to stay competitive in the market place and to reduce overhead (cost of doing business).

One thing that drives this is the amount of taxation a company is subjected to on many different fronts. Local, state and federal taxes are not dropping and many companies have left town for just those reasons. In some cases they move across state lines and get relief, in other cases they have to cross borders. St Louis is a veritable ghost town compared to the way it was several years ago. The state just hammered all those business with excessive taxes and drove them right out of the state.

Another big issue is the US consumer. When we buy we tend to buy on price forgetting that you get what you pay for. In order for companies to keep up with Wal-Mart they have to take drastic measures and that means going someplace where there are no unions or health care costs like we have here.

Want some good news? The cost of manufacturing goods in China is starting to skyrocket and companies are starting to bring it all back here!

Finally, most of the hand tools (ratchets, sockets, wrenches, etc.) made for Sears and the Craftsman line are still US made. The Craftsman specialty tools, the evolv and Universal lines are Chinese as are most of the power tools. One thing to remember, Craftsman doesn't actually make the tools, other companies do. Companies like Danaher still make all their tools here. Some power tools are made by Ryobi, Bosch, etc.

Did you know that at one point in the 1980s Craftsman hand tools were made in Japan?

Very nice post Mr. Mac :thumb:

Personally, I am well aware that it is not completely the fault of the retailers/manufacturers, but also the fault of many Americans who, like you said, buy on price & forget that you get what you pay for.

Personally, I still save up & spend the top dollar for my tools because of their quality.

LilYeller 03-12-2012 06:23 PM

This kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach to think about. Its a crying shame that the government would tax local and not so much on imports, its like we are trying to drive local companies away.

My main question is:
If they really "dont make it like they used to" then how is it that they are made out of cheaper materials but cost so much more?

The Toolman 03-12-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LilYeller
This kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach to think about. Its a crying shame that the government would tax local and not so much on imports, its like we are trying to drive local companies away.

My main question is:
If they really "dont make it like they used to" then how is it that they are made out of cheaper materials but cost so much more?

This I agree with completely. There should be tax breaks to stay local, not tax increases. Then yes, if things cost more, they should be of a good quality

Hammerdown 03-12-2012 10:01 PM

Craftsman is made in China? I have to see it for myself to believe it. On a related note, how often does a Chinese tool actually fail in home use environment? When I gravitate to the Made in USA tools it is often the workmanship and looks. Craftsman hand tools look so good that I want to hang them up on the wall in the living room.

The Toolman 03-12-2012 11:23 PM

Though it is at my home, I really put my tools to the test. If for some reason a China, Taiwan, etc. tool ends up being used in my garage, it does not last long. Especially the open end wrenches & sockets. I will usually bust them, or the open end wrenches will stretch & gall the bolt/nut.

Old Grunt 03-15-2012 10:53 AM

Chinese Craftsman ?
 
:thumb:I'm up here in Maine and the Sears stores up here are rapidly turning into a mess. But we also have another huge ace in the hole, that being the numerous 2nd hand sales. A lot of these sales are the result of estate closing's and barn clearing's. These tools are, even under the crap they're found in, more than adequate. All they need is a good cleaning, like in a sandblaster or big rotary polisher and they come out like new. Given that the Sears is 'tanking' this is where I am forced to go. The other specialty stores up here are outrageous and I have yet to see a MATCO or other type distributor make their presence known. All I can say is Thank God for the C/L's and the Uncle Henry's weekly ad's. Most of what is in there is, provided you take the time and really look, made back before the Chinese got their hook's into the US tool market.


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