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stevebanzai 01-15-2012 02:20 PM

Rant: Designated Driver Ticket
 
What the f happened to giving someone a fing break?

Last night I was the DD, driving a bunch of drunks back from AC, and i get pulled over by a cop. He took me out of the car and had me do a sobriety test, and obviously I passed. He knew I was the designated driver and stilll couldn't cut me a break. He gave me a speeding ticket for 68 in a 45. It was on a state highway, and it was only 45 mph for a brief stretch. He also checked "safe corridor" and doubled my fines. I was too busy worried about if someone was going to puke in my car, or cause me to crash rather than my speed. It was 3 AM, and no one was on the road.

F that.

1CrzyCelt 01-15-2012 02:29 PM

at 3am and no one esle on the road, you could get a break by most LEO's, but 23 MPH over? Many jurisdictions would take you to jail for that.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:36 PM

If it would have been 5-10 over you wouldn't have. But just because your a dd doesn't NOT In any way give you a right to do 23mph over the speed limit. If it goes down to 45 there is a reason. You aren't getting sympathy from me on this one

stevebanzai 01-15-2012 02:37 PM

I understand that, but 300 feet behind me was a 55 mph zone. I lost control of my speed. The pentastar...Lol.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
I understand that, but 300 feet behind me was a 55 mph zone. I lost control of my speed. The pentastar...Lol.

Okay so you should have been decreasing speed from 55 to 45.. So in 300 feet.. 52-53 he would have let you by. Buy you were breaking the 55 mph speed limit by 13 mph! Still enough to ticket.

shewoolf 01-15-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 (Post 1923710)
If it would have been 5-10 over you wouldn't have. But just because your a dd doesn't NOT In any way give you a right to do 23mph over the speed limit. If it goes down to 45 there is a reason. You aren't getting sympathy from me on this one

I have to agree! 23 mph over the speed limit is not the same as 5 to 10... Put on your big girl panties and suck it up.:thumb:

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shewoolf

I have to agree! 23 mph over the speed limit is not the same as 5 to 10... Put on your big girl panties and suck it up.:thumb:

I'm the first to admit I'll do 5-10 over , frequently. But I would never do 68 in a 45.. I also don't speed in anything under a 55,

Ballandchain 01-15-2012 02:46 PM

Just go to court and tell the judge that you was the DD and that they where all getting on your last nerve so you was speeding to get their drunk asses home. At least you can get it knocked down to 10 over so that its not a reckless drives which is A LOT of points on your DMV record.

stevebanzai 01-15-2012 02:50 PM

Thats exactly what it was. I was so frigging worried that one of them was going to throw up in my brand new Jeep. I was dead tired and just wanted to get home. I don't ever speed. Maybe 5-10 mph over. I am just taking his word for it that i was speeding.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
Thats exactly what it was. I was so frigging worried that one of them was going to throw up in my brand new Jeep. I was dead tired and just wanted to get home. I don't ever speed. Maybe 5-10 mph over. I am just taking his word for it that i was speeding.

He has evidence you were speeding, you can prob get the ticked knocked down to a less damaging one, next time though. Think about your speed.

SullyRock71 01-15-2012 02:55 PM

I was driving in NJ last night and there are way too many places where the speed limit fluctuates between 45, 50, 55 and 65. I can see where you may have missed a sign because the only reasons I knew the limit was my gps has the speed limit posted on it and they don't seem to have too many signs up there at times. Yes, 23 miles over is a little excessive but I can see why you'd rant a bit. If anything the one thing I'd be upset about would be the "safe corridor" thing. Yes you deserved a ticket, but if you're being the responsible one and not being a wiseass and respectful to the officer, there's no need to break your balls with that.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
cause me to crash

I just noticed this part... Think about this.. If your concerned your going to have a mva, why would you speed UP? that would cause me to slow down..
My puppy jumped in my lap the other day, and I could hardly steer. I hit the brakes not the gas..

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SullyRock71
If anything the one thing I'd be upset about would be the "safe corridor" thing.

i agree with this part. But the officer might be mandated to do it for that zone.

stevebanzai 01-15-2012 03:02 PM

I had been up since 5AM. It was 3AM, after dealing with drunken idiots all night to be able to provide them with a safe ride home. Not mentioning that I am recovering from the flu. I was just trying to get home man. I had 3 drunken assholes in my ear, and 1 sick person. I had a ton going on, and lost track of my speed on an empty road at 3 o'clock in the morning. It happens. If it wasn't a highway with street lights, i would of put on cruise control so that didn't happen.

I am a safe driver. I drive for a living. I was hoping for a break, but they were looking to hand out tickets. A friend of mine who was also driving said he counted 5 people pulled over within a stretch of 3 miles.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
I had been up since 5AM. It was 3AM, after dealing with drunken idiots all night to be able to provide them with a safe ride home. Not mentioning that I am recovering from the flu. I was just trying to get home man. I had 3 drunken assholes in my ear, and 1 sick person. I had a ton going on, and lost track of my speed on an empty road at 3 o'clock in the morning. It happens. If it wasn't a highway with street lights, i would of put on cruise control so that didn't happen.

I am a safe driver. I drive for a living. I was hoping for a break, but they were looking to hand out tickets. A friend of mine who was also driving said he counted 5 people pulled over within a stretch of 3 miles.

Did you explain that to the cop? Honestly if you had been up that long I wouldn't have agreed to dd for them.. The road obv was not empty if leo's had 5 people in a 3 mile stretch, you have to understand from the officer standpoint you were a hazard. Go to court, contest it, tell that story, you'll get it reduced

TreeClimber1 01-15-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ballandchain (Post 1923739)
Just go to court and tell the judge that you was the DD and that they where all getting on your last nerve so you was speeding to get their drunk asses home. At least you can get it knocked down to 10 over so that its not a reckless drives which is A LOT of points on your DMV record.

Don't do that. Admitting fault means your guilty.

If you want to contest it, then do that. Simply say; "Your Honor, I was not speeding. I believe the Officer is wrong".

And if the Judge asks why, then say; "It was 3 AM, and I believe the Officer was looking for drunks, but, since I was the Designated Driver, he pulled me over, made me do a field sobriety test - which I passed - and because he had already invested the time to test me, he felt obliged to give me a ticket anyway".

Both are positive spins on your story, both are true.

edit: And stop being a dumbass who drives too fast. But good-job for being the DD.

OregonRubicon 01-15-2012 03:17 PM

I think it's great you are here to post this thread! You should be commended for being the DD, not an easy thing.

I had friends that IF an officer had been there to pull them over a mile before everyone would still be alive today.

The officer may have saved you and all of your friends lives.

Just one of many different ways to look at something.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeClimber1

Don't do that. Admitting fault means your guilty.

If you want to contest it, then do that. Simply say; "Your Honor, I was not speeding. I believe the Officer is wrong".

And if the Judge asks why, then say; "It was 3 AM, and I believe the Officer was looking for drunks, but, since I was the Designated Driver, he pulled me over, made me do a field sobriety test - which I passed - and because he had already invested the time to test me, he felt obliged to give me a ticket anyway".

Both are positive spins on your story, both are true.

That makes it your word against the officer's... Who even if he was looking for dui's he was most defiantly shooting radar, and probably has video of you passing him, if he was wrong he defiantly wouldn't give you a ticket to contest it would be more like a 5 over ticket. Minimal impact so most won't fight it
He will also have a recent calibration report for his radar unit

stevebanzai 01-15-2012 03:18 PM

I couldn't do that. I was most likely speeding. I'm sure he got me on the radar gun.

lensam 01-15-2012 03:59 PM

Since you're from new Jersey you may have heard about this, I dont know how old you were when this happened but this was a major accident, the NTSB was involved in it. I was on the towing/recovery team on this scene.

3 Yale Students Die And 6 Are Injured In Icy Crash on I-95 After Trip to City

By RICHARD LEZIN JONES
The New York Times

Published: January 18, 2003

Three Yale University students were killed and six others were injured early yesterday -- two of them critically -- in a chain-reaction crash, after their sport utility vehicle collided with a tractor-trailer that had jackknifed on an icy Interstate 95 in Fairfield, Conn., the authorities said.
The accident occurred shortly after 5 a.m. as the students were returning from a trip to New York City, friends said. The students, all but two of them members of the university's baseball or football teams, had gone to Manhattan on Thursday, friends said, as part of a recruitment trip sponsored by a campus fraternity, Delta Kappa Epsilon.
Friends said all nine students had been taking part in a winterlong series of pranks and social events sponsored by the fraternity, known on campus as DKE or ''Deke.'' One of the most esteemed national Greek organizations, founded at Yale in 1844, it has counted five American presidents among its members, including both Bushes.
The state police said last night that they were still trying to determine the cause of the accident, one of several reported before dawn along a highway dusted with snow and slick with ice. They said they had no preliminary indications that any of the drivers had been using alcohol or drugs.
Law enforcement officials said the crash occurred near Exit 24, at the Bridgeport/Fairfield town line, when a truck driver, Armando Salgado, 33, of Gardena, Calif., lost control of his tractor-trailer as it was traveling north on I-95. The truck's flatbed trailer broke through a concrete barrier in the median strip and ran into the path of traffic in the southbound lanes, the authorities said.
As the flatbed crossed the barrier, it struck another tractor-trailer, and then a Dodge Avenger traveling south struck the flatbed. Mr. Salgado was not injured, but the other two drivers suffered minor injuries, the police said.
Moments later, in the northbound lane, a Chevy Tahoe carrying the nine Yale students rammed into the part of the flatbed that was still jutting into their lane. The authorities said the S.U.V. could comfortably accommodate nine occupants.

The accident shut down I-95, the main highway along the Connecticut shoreline, for about three hours in both directions

A fourth died at the hospital


I left out all the useless facts and just posted the important ones here. Now there were 9 kids in this vehicle. all big dudes crammed in a Chevy Tahoe. They were out partying all day and night and then were on their way home for school that morning. No sleep for probably 24 hrs and who knows how much the night before. They blamed it on the poor lighting but fatigue definately played a part in this wreck I dont care what the NTSB says. I think they were also going way too fast for conditions. There was only a covering of snow but kinda slick. Judging by the condition of the vehicles afterwards there is no way they werent speeding. The roof and side were ripped off the Tahoe and the trailer was partially on its side and twisted from impact. It was a mess. My point here is that you never know when something like this arrises. Its very hard to be mentally prepared at 3 in the a.m. for something like this and doing the limit would give you more time to make a judgement. They lowered the limit for some reason or another in that spot so I think a ticket is worth you and your friends lives, small price to pay. Sorry for the long post:(
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Tang87 01-15-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
I couldn't do that. I was most likely speeding. I'm sure he got me on the radar gun.

They won't admit that they didn't get you. I was on the interstate with my motorcycle going 110 and he couldn't get me on radar. If it goes to court just because they are a policeman doesn't give them any more leverage over your word....good job being DD I've done it and hated it. Speed isn't what kills people its texting and driving and not paying attention to the Road. Look at the Autobahn safest road because everyone knows there are no speed limit and they are more aware. Cars are getting safer than when the speed limits went into place. Not saying flipping your car at 120 won't kill you but you're more attentive when you're going faster.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tang87

They won't admit that they didn't get you. I was on the interstate with my motorcycle going 110 and he couldn't get me on radar. If it goes to court just because they are a policeman doesn't give them any more leverage over your word....good job being DD I've done it and hated it. Speed isn't what kills people its texting and driving and not paying attention to the Road. Look at the Autobahn safest road because everyone knows there are no speed limit and they are more aware. Cars are getting safer than when the speed limits went into place. Not saying flipping your car at 120 won't kill you but you're more attentive when you're going faster.

Being up for 22 hours, fatigued, with distractions in the vehicle, speeding KILLS. and if he wasn't watching his speed how was he being more attentive to it? He already admitted to not paying attention to his speed. The autobahn is the most technologically advanced road in the world. There is a lot more to it then speed.

jkaufman_95 01-15-2012 04:35 PM

The op was in a tough spot here. I see his side and the officers side. Dd'ing was a smart move. Letting the drunk friends drive would have ended badly, but doing it on such little sleep and recovering from the flu.. Not good

Tang87 01-15-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 (Post 1924062)
Being up for 22 hours, fatigued, with distractions in the vehicle, speeding KILLS. and if he wasn't watching his speed how was he being more attentive to it? He already admitted to not paying attention to his speed. The autobahn is the most technologically advanced road in the world. There is a lot more to it then speed.

Speed doesn't kill, it's all about the accident and the vehicle. The speed doesn't play as big of a roll as you portray. Cars have gotten 1000 times safer since the 55 mph speed limits. I did a report on it. In Montana they had a highway that had a speed limit of "safe and prudent" the amount of fatalities dropped significantly after changing the speed limit to that. The reason? People knew what was going on and payed attention! The accidents that did happen weren't as fatal as the ones that happened prior. Speed kills is a myth that was used to try to scare people into driving slower nothing more. The data that backed it up? There was none.

chucky cheese 01-15-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95 (Post 1924085)
The op was in a tough spot here. I see his side and the officers side. Dd'ing was a smart move. Letting the drunk friends drive would have ended badly, but doing it on such little sleep and recovering from the flu.. Not good

I agree. Love the avatar dog!

Vin 01-15-2012 06:54 PM

Was this a State Trooper? Guys with badges don't expect breaks from Jersey Troopers. Be glad he didn't haul you away for reckless endangerment.

RatherBNarizona 01-15-2012 07:18 PM

That's criminal speeding, not sure about there, but here you can be arrested for that.

DaisyCutter 01-15-2012 11:28 PM

I arrested a DUI last night, illegal alien according to ICE, no license, resisted arrest.

He was driving without his headlights illuminated.

FWIW, a DD will smell like a DUI because of the drunks in the passenger compartment. Ya gotta pull him out to get a better sniff and accurately asses impairment.

This cop didn't have to write a cite, but still chose to. IMO warnings shouldn't be expected, but they go a long way for PR. Drive in a manner where you don't find yourself hoping for a warning.

greenjeepgurl87 01-15-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebanzai
What the f happened to giving someone a fing break?

Last night I was the DD, driving a bunch of drunks back from AC, and i get pulled over by a cop. He took me out of the car and had me do a sobriety test, and obviously I passed. He knew I was the designated driver and stilll couldn't cut me a break. He gave me a speeding ticket for 68 in a 45. It was on a state highway, and it was only 45 mph for a brief stretch. He also checked "safe corridor" and doubled my fines. I was too busy worried about if someone was going to puke in my car, or cause me to crash rather than my speed. It was 3 AM, and no one was on the road.

F that.

I'm sorry to hear that. I got nailed driving home from a.c. for that too. Also passed the test (cuz I'm not dumb enough to drink and drive) was very polite to the cop and very luckily did get off with a warning. Sorry to hear it didn't go so well for you. That's also one of their favorite times to hide when leaving there. :-\

SullyRock71 01-16-2012 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vin (Post 1924557)
Was this a State Trooper? Guys with badges don't expect breaks from Jersey Troopers. Be glad he didn't haul you away for reckless endangerment.

Have to say, Jersey troopers have been nothing but courteous to me in the 2 or 3 times I've been pulled over in the almost 10 years I've been a firefighter. As long as you "Yes sir"/"Sorry sir"/"I appreciate that sir" them they will treat you with respect as well. However when I drove home 95 when I was in college and a trooper pulled up next to me in my Pop's Toyota Tercel that I was doing 68 in a 65 screaming over his PA "You're not in NY boy!" I wasn't the biggest fan of them... haha. Like everything else, there's a few who may give the rest of the good ones a bad name, but on the whole, they're good guys just doing their jobs.


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