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nicolas-eric 01-30-2012 07:06 PM

TJ - Front Speaker Improvements ?
 
Hello.

I have some 5.25" speakers in the front of my TJ. But they don't sound very good. The same speakers in a friends car sound way better. He said that's because of my open speakers and a missing baffle.

How could I improve the speakers?
Does a small box fit there behind the speakers?
Any other idea?

Thanks for your help!
Nicolas-Eric

I-Want-A-Jeep 01-30-2012 08:28 PM

I'm still saying the Q-forms kickpanel enclosures are going to be your best bet at getting good sound with imaging and staging in the Jeep!!

Outside of that, you could try some of those plastic/foam speaker cups.. I think you can get them from crutchfield or some other online source..


And your friend is right. The dash speaker locations suck cause it's basically a free-air speaker. No enclosure around/behind it.

sinjin 01-30-2012 09:08 PM

I recently did a stereo install with polk 5.25 speakers in the dash and sound bar. speakers sounded ok but ones in soundbar sounded quite a bit better than the dash speakers. I ordered a set a of foam Metra speaker baffles from ebay and am very pleased how much better the dash speakers sound now. Baffles were only about $12 bucks delivered.

LilYeller 01-30-2012 09:21 PM

Get the baffles its about the only way. Amazon sells them for like $5 plus shipping so that $12 sounds about right. If you have a large piece of foam you could make your own, like old seat cushions or something like that. All you really need to do is separate the rear of the speaker from the front of the speaker and the sound will improve greatly. Dont forget to put some poly-fill in that sound bar too. much better sound!

CoyoteOn2 01-30-2012 09:24 PM

Fill the Voids behind the Speakers with PolyFil for a NOTICABLE improvement of
night & day.

I-Want-A-Jeep 01-30-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinjin (Post 1978036)
I recently did a stereo install with polk 5.25 speakers in the dash and sound bar. speakers sounded ok but ones in soundbar sounded quite a bit better than the dash speakers. I ordered a set a of foam Metra speaker baffles from ebay and am very pleased how much better the dash speakers sound now. Baffles were only about $12 bucks delivered.


That's what I was talking about! Will make a noticeable improvement!

Like LilYeller said, it's all about separating the rear of the cone from the front of the cone.. Will minimize cancellation and improve low frequency response..

Jma20a 01-31-2012 12:51 AM

the baffles work good when used for the front speakers, almost makes it a sealed enclosure for better sound and they are cheep

nicolas-eric 01-31-2012 02:21 AM

Ok thanks!

Now I only have to find these baffles here in Germany.
Or will polyfill do the same?

LilYeller 01-31-2012 06:01 AM

poly fill wont work in the front. there is nothing to hold it in place. if you cant get amazon to send you the baffles then I would go the foam route.

nicolas-eric 01-31-2012 07:13 AM

Can't I use some tape for the polyfill?

What kind of foam so I need?
Shipping the baffles to Germany costs 45$...

sinjin 01-31-2012 03:56 PM

I tried poly fill first didn't work any where near as good as the foam baffles. Their must be some where in Germany you can order the baffles from

LilYeller 01-31-2012 04:22 PM

You can use any type of foam from an old seat cushion out of a vehicle or old sofa anything like that would work. just scoop out the foam enough to let the speaker sit in there and cut it to fit. thats the best way I can describe. I might be making some for my TJ this weekend so I can post up some pics if you need more info.

J33P 01-31-2012 04:27 PM

Post up the pictures. I just ordered some 6.5 Infinity references for the soundbar and 5.25 references for the front too. I need to order that bracket for the 5.25's now. Where can I get this bracket?
Thanks

StetFanch 01-31-2012 07:16 PM

Try Nalin MFG. They have a website or sell in eBay too. I am puttin mine on tomorrow

StetFanch 01-31-2012 07:17 PM

And sorry that thread is for the 5.25s to go in dash.

Jma20a 01-31-2012 08:36 PM

Not sure if seat foam is the best idea. If the speaker gets hot it could melt the foam or cause a small fire. Polyfill is made not to burn under high heat

LilYeller 02-01-2012 06:24 AM

I dont think your speaker wont get hot enough to burn foam. not to mention that the foam will not even be close to anything that would get hot tnough to melt it. All you are doing is building a "box" out of the foam the only thing touching the foam will be the speakers magnet and the cage around the back. Tho I can appreciate your concern

freeskier 02-01-2012 06:12 PM

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Poyfil works just fine in the front and it doesn't fall out. Cost 3$ for a bag at Hobby Lobby.

NalinMFG 02-01-2012 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeskier (Post 1984527)
Poyfil works just fine in the front and it doesn't fall out. Cost 3$ for a bag at Hobby Lobby.

x2

I've used polyfill a time or two :thumb:

Remus_Redbone 02-01-2012 09:10 PM

Not trying to hijack the thread, but here's a question someone on here may know; my Jeep came with the seven speaker stereo system. The dash speakers are actually a 4" mounted in a ~ 4"x6" plastic shell and a tweeter mounted on the exterior of the plastic shell. It appears that a 4"x6" speaker would go in the plastic shell if the 4" round hole was elongated to 4"x6". The plastic shell would act as an enclosure for the 4x6 speaker. I would use a two way or three way speaker so I wouldn't lose my tweeters. Has anyone ever tried to use the plastic enclosures for a larger speaker than the stock 4"?

nicolas-eric 02-02-2012 07:53 PM

Are there some pics where I can see how the polyfill is placed behind the speakers?

zeromatix 02-03-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remus_Redbone
Not trying to hijack the thread, but here's a question someone on here may know; my Jeep came with the seven speaker stereo system. The dash speakers are actually a 4" mounted in a ~ 4"x6" plastic shell and a tweeter mounted on the exterior of the plastic shell. It appears that a 4"x6" speaker would go in the plastic shell if the 4" round hole was elongated to 4"x6". The plastic shell would act as an enclosure for the 4x6 speaker. I would use a two way or three way speaker so I wouldn't lose my tweeters. Has anyone ever tried to use the plastic enclosures for a larger speaker than the stock 4"?

Go on eBay and order speaker brackets for ur TJ. It's 7 bucks a pair and they work awesome. It turns ur 4x6 into a 5.25 which have more speaker options and are just a better all around speaker. Just did mine and they sound amazing.

CMA_Rider 02-03-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeromatix (Post 1990376)
Go on eBay and order speaker brackets for ur TJ. It's 7 bucks a pair and they work awesome. It turns ur 4x6 into a 5.25 which have more speaker options and are just a better all around speaker. Just did mine and they sound amazing.

x2

try a different brand of speakers I picked up a set of kicker 5.25 for the front from caraudiowarehouse.com and they sound great without any type of baffle

timma06 02-04-2012 12:02 AM

Speaker Upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J33P (Post 1980429)
Post up the pictures. I just ordered some 6.5 Infinity references for the soundbar and 5.25 references for the front too. I need to order that bracket for the 5.25's now. Where can I get this bracket?
Thanks

Sounds like a nice set up, let me know how they work out, I've heard lots of good things about Infinity speakers. BTW, how are you fitting the 6.5 Infinitys in the sound bar?

Sounds like 5.25 with polyfill is the best option for the dash. Anyone have any other speaker brands they recommend? Still trying to decide how I want to upgrade the sound system in my 06 TJ

56cj5 02-04-2012 02:25 AM

I have all infinity components. The 4x6 6412 CFp. Reference. And the 5 1/4. Component 5010 Reference. The 4x6 are in the stock dash And the 5 1/4 are in the sound bar. all have the custom baffles for them . And the 1.5 inch tweeters are in the corner of the roll bar padding of the inside rear. Also I run a pioneer 12 with a 300 x 1 phoenix gold amp. All of it is ran by a pioneer head unit

NalinMFG 02-04-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timma06 (Post 1992669)
Anyone have any other speaker brands they recommend? Still trying to decide how I want to upgrade the sound system in my 06 TJ

The most popular speakers in my experience have been Polk DB521's. Also take into consideration that they are marine rated in case your Jeep gets wet.

timma06 02-05-2012 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigertrack1600m (Post 1995969)
The most popular speakers in my experience have been Polk DB521's. Also take into consideration that they are marine rated in case your Jeep gets wet.

Awesome thanks! For anyone else interested, I found them on the cheap at amazon: (About $50 less than Crutchfield)

Amazon.com: Polk Audio DB521 5.25-Inch Coaxial Speakers (Pair, Silver): Car Electronics

nicolas-eric 02-15-2012 03:09 PM

Thanks !!

I used polyfill behind the front speakers and they sound so much better now.


I also installed a new amplilfier with 150W RMS for each speaker and that sounds also much better and louder than the old amp with only 70W RMS.

Btw the speakers have only 70W RMS / 120W Max but they can handle the 150W without any problem.



My actual setup:

2x 5.25" Audio System M 165 Plus speakers in the front 120 Hz - 20 kHz
1X 8" Audio System HX8SQ kickbass speaker in the center console in a MDF housing - 60 Hz-120 Hz
1x 10" Audio System HX10SQ in a ported MDF box - 20-60 Hz.

1x Impulse SD-700 amp with 2x 155W RMS for the front speakers and 1x 250W RMS for the kickbass.
1x Impulse SD-500 amp with 1x 585W RMS for the subwoofer.


My dad said that sounds wy better than the 8.000 Euro sound system in his Mercedes S500. :D:thumb:

And its that loud... When Im inside the Jeep more than 50-60% begins to hurt... :eek:




BTW. I disconnected the rear speakers. With speakers only in the front the sound is more clear and better.

Smashey 05-28-2013 10:21 PM

if your considering the foam speaker baffles use poly fill as well, i made a a test to see how they sound and now im needing poly fill too,
video i made in foam baffles - 5 1/4 foam speaker baffle - YouTube
and a thread to help me justify using both - http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f20/s...33/%20https://

also i might be resurrecting this thread but im sure it gets read enough being one of the first threads on google. :)

NalinMFG 07-03-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smashey (Post 3802528)
if your considering the foam speaker baffles use poly fill as well, i made a a test to see how they sound and now im needing poly fill too,
video i made in foam baffles - 5 1/4 foam speaker baffle - YouTube
and a thread to help me justify using both - http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f20/s...33/%20https://

also i might be resurrecting this thread but im sure it gets read enough being one of the first threads on google. :)

polyfill stuffed baffles?! :punk:


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