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ronrad 02-02-2012 01:38 PM

Allowable fees for tread lightly
 
So I've ordered with Tread Lightly.

There are two fees on the order sheet currently.

Destination Fee: $900
Documentation Fee: $150

When I brought up the fees supposed to be capped at $75 ... Salesman responded that that is an admin fee which they weren't charging, and the doc is one they charge on all vehicles blah blah blah.

So, what are the allowable fees in the build? I'm assuming the destination is reasonable, given that I'm in Seattle on the West Coast, and that's essentially the shipping / delivery, but I wanted to be sure before I push further.

And yes, I've searched and run through but haven't found any exactly clarification.

Thanks,

Ron

Alexia 02-02-2012 02:43 PM

Destination should be $800. The MSRP should already include this fee. So if your MRSP is $28,000 the window sticker should say, $27,200 + $800 destination charge = $28,000 MRSP.
Chrysler Affiliate fee is $75. The dealer can choose to eat this cost out of their profit, but unlikely that they would.

Documentation fees are complete shit. Do not pay them if you can manage not to. This is a fee that is a deal breaker for me to walk to another dealership.

sunnykk 02-02-2012 02:45 PM

Destination fees was $800. Its $900 now.

You will find it very hard to sway them to knock off the dealer-doc fees.

pat@fieldsauto.com 02-02-2012 02:55 PM

Destination is $900. Dest charge is already included in msrp and invoice. If the dealer has a dealer doc fee then they do not have to charge the 75 chrysler fee. Some dealers like myself eat the 75, others don't.

Up Hill Bill 02-02-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronrad (Post 1987289)
So I've ordered with Tread Lightly.

There are two fees on the order sheet currently.

Destination Fee: $900
Documentation Fee: $150

When I brought up the fees supposed to be capped at $75 ... Salesman responded that that is an admin fee which they weren't charging, and the doc is one they charge on all vehicles blah blah blah.

So, what are the allowable fees in the build? I'm assuming the destination is reasonable, given that I'm in Seattle on the West Coast, and that's essentially the shipping / delivery, but I wanted to be sure before I push further.

And yes, I've searched and run through but haven't found any exactly clarification.

Thanks,

Ron

Dealer is being square with you.... You will pay no more than:

1. (Factory Invoice x .99) + $75 (wave-able Chrysler Affiliate Rewards fee) ($900 destination is part of invoice price, not added on!)
2. Documentation fee - but only if the dealer charges all customers the same fee, or it is set by state law.
3. State license and registration fees
4. State sales tax

Nothing else can be charged, and you can't be required to purchase anything else with the Jeep...

If you have any doubts, call the Affiliate Rewards Hot Line at 888-444-4321 between the hours of 8 a.m. - 8 p.m. EST.

ronrad 02-02-2012 03:50 PM

This is the build sheet as listed ... Are they double charging the destination charge? Thanks for all the help ... If I could save another 900 that would cover the aftermarket headunit that's going in right away :)

Vehicle: 2012 WRANGLER UNLIMITED SAHARA 4X4 (JKJP74)
Sales Code Description MSRP(USD)
Model: JKJP74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED SAHARA 4X4 30,745
Package: 23G Customer Preferred Package 23G 0
ERB 3.6L V6 24V VVT Engine 0
DEH 6-Speed Manual NSG370 Transmission 0
Paint/Seat/Trim: PRP Deep Cherry Red Crystal Pearl Coat 0
APA Monotone Paint 0
*A7 Cloth Seats w/Adj. Head Restraints 0
-X9 Black 0
Options: NHK Engine Block Heater 35
MX3 Black 3-Piece Hard Top 0
HAB Air Conditioning w/Auto Temp Control 155
DSA Anti-Spin Differential Rear Axle 295
CJ1 Supplemental Frt Seat Side Air Bags 490
AJC Katzkin Black Leather Seats 1,500
AHQ Max Tow Package 320
AEM Dual Top Group 1,625
AAJ Connectivity Group 385
YEP Manuf Statement of Origin 0
4EA Sold Vehicle 0
Destination Fees: 900
Total Price: 36,450

Browndog 02-02-2012 03:56 PM

I don't see a double 900 charge in there.

JKatfish 02-02-2012 04:07 PM

If the doc fee is less than $75, should be ok. i paid $55 for doc, but no affiliate fee. Also, askthem if they can do 2%below invoice if you are ordering. I told them I can get 1% below from any dealer. They said ok pretty quickly, so if I asked for.... I was satisfied with the price, less than what I had expected.

ronrad 02-02-2012 04:55 PM

Thanks for the responses folks, looks like they are being pretty square on it. I asked them for the 2% but didn't push on it too hard, they spun back some "allocation" comments etc. I did a fair bit of test driving with them and a few other things, so I didn't push back too hard on it, however, I will push super hard if they try to pull something on me they shouldn't (like extra fees)

Sparkplugg 02-02-2012 06:11 PM

I got 2% below and refused to pay any fees, including destination. Dealer said they have to charge everyone including his mother. I talked him into taking the amount of destination fee off after 2% off, then add the destination back. I didnt pay it even though it looks like I did on paper.

fishmd 02-02-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill (Post 1987556)
Dealer is being square with you.... You will pay no more than:

1. (Factory Invoice x .99) + $75 (wave-able Chrysler Affiliate Rewards fee) ($900 destination is part of invoice price, not added on!)
2. Documentation fee - but only if the dealer charges all customers the same fee, or it is set by state law.
3. State license and registration fees
4. State sales tax

Nothing else can be charged, and you can't be required to purchase anything else with the Jeep...

If you have any doubts, call the Affiliate Rewards Hot Line at 888-444-4321 between the hours of 8 a.m. - 8 p.m. EST.

Wait, my dealer is saying they have to charge me a Dealer Pre-delivery fee to the tune of $589. Are you telling me they are not supposed to charge that fee? I won't say who the dealer is, but they are well known here....Hum. I need to take a second look at some of this stuff before I decide to pick this thing up.

EDIT: Although now that I think about it, I was told he had to charge it because they were offering 2% bellow factory invoice and it was either 2% bellow and the charge or 1% bellow and no charge. I guess that makes sense. I think that it is a little more complicated than what is listed above. Each dealer may be a little different.

ESP 02-02-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1988876)
Wait, my dealer is saying they have to charge me a Dealer Pre-delivery fee to the tune of $589. Are you telling me they are not supposed to charge that fee? I won't say who the dealer is, but they are well known here....Hum. I need to take a second look at some of this stuff before I decide to pick this thing up.

EDIT: Although now that I think about it, I was told he had to charge it because they were offering 2% bellow factory invoice and it was either 2% bellow and the charge or 1% bellow and no charge. I guess that makes sense. I think that it is a little more complicated than what is listed above. Each dealer may be a little different.

Pre delivery fee? :whistling: Someone's yanking you.

Up Hill Bill 02-02-2012 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1988876)
Wait, my dealer is saying they have to charge me a Dealer Pre-delivery fee to the tune of $589. Are you telling me they are not supposed to charge that fee? I won't say who the dealer is, but they are well known here....Hum. I need to take a second look at some of this stuff before I decide to pick this thing up.

EDIT: Although now that I think about it, I was told he had to charge it because they were offering 2% bellow factory invoice and it was either 2% bellow and the charge or 1% bellow and no charge. I guess that makes sense. I think that it is a little more complicated than what is listed above. Each dealer may be a little different.

If your dealer uses the Chrysler Affiliate Rewards program, where he gets 2% of factory invoice from Chrysler in addition to the normal holdback (3% of (MSRP - destination charge), he cannot charge that fee, period. If he does, Chrysler WILL make him refund it to you.... He can charge less than 1% below invoice, but he cannot add ANY extra fees, period.

ESP 02-02-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill (Post 1989100)
If your dealer uses the Chrysler Affiliate Rewards program, where he gets 2% of factory invoice from Chrysler in addition to the normal holdback (3% of (MSRP - destination charge), he cannot charge that fee, period. If he does, Chrysler WILL make him refund it to you.... He can charge less than 1% below invoice, but he cannot add ANY extra fees, period.

:popcorn:

Up Hill Bill 02-02-2012 09:55 PM

I'm a trouble maker. I'd take that 2% deal, take delivery, then shove that phony fee you know where! Chrysler will make him pay you back that fee....


That is, if you've got somewhere else to go for service and warranty work....

fishmd 02-02-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill
I'm a trouble maker. I'd take that 2% deal, take delivery, then shove that phony fee you know where! Chrysler will make him pay you back that fee....

That is, if you've got somewhere else to go for service and warranty work....

Haha. Yeah I do. I am coming in from well out of town to get this Jeep. I may have to talk to my dealer a bit more here.

devicemanager 02-02-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1989193)
Haha. Yeah I do. I am coming in from well out of town to get this Jeep. I may have to talk to my dealer a bit more here.

Contact Pat @ Fields Jeep on this forum for a deal. They have a new dealership in FL.

Fields Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram | New Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram dealership in Sanford, FL 32771

fishmd 02-02-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devicemanager
Contact Pat @ Fields Jeep on this forum for a deal. They have a new dealership in FL.

Fields Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram | New Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram dealership in Sanford, FL 32771

Well....now see this is where it gets funny. I ordered it through Fields. That is who is trying to charge me this fee.

Up Hill Bill 02-02-2012 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1989264)
Well....now see this is where it gets funny. I ordered it through Fields. That is who is trying to charge me this fee.

:eek:

fishmd 02-02-2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill

:eek:

Exactly. Fields in Sanford to be more exact. Maybe Pat will get back in here and clear things up. :-)

fishmd 02-03-2012 10:12 AM

So one more questions for those who may have done this before. On the Order Confirmation page, there are several different prices listed. There is a FWP (which I know stands for fleet wholesale price). There is also a FFP, which I know is Friends and Family Price. In general the FFP is about 500-600$ less than the FWP. I called Chrysler Affiliate Program this AM and the guy I spoke with told me that with their program, you are supposed to get the Preferred Pricing which is based off the FFP price not the FWP price. Does this sound correct?

Up Hill Bill 02-03-2012 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1990197)
So one more questions for those who may have done this before. On the Order Confirmation page, there are several different prices listed. There is a FWP (which I know stands for fleet wholesale price). There is also a FFP, which I know is Friends and Family Price. In general the FFP is about 500-600$ less than the FWP. I called Chrysler Affiliate Program this AM and the guy I spoke with told me that with their program, you are supposed to get the Preferred Pricing which is based off the FFP price not the FWP price. Does this sound correct?


That is correct. The FFP or PP price noted on the factory invoice is the MAXIMUM vehicle price you pay under the Affiliate program. It is (FWP(factory wholesale price) x .99) + $75 program fee.

The dealer may add allowable Doc fees, and state tax, license and registration fees, only.

fishmd 02-03-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill (Post 1990226)
That is correct. The FFP or PP price noted on the factory invoice is the MAXIMUM vehicle price you pay under the Affiliate program. It is (factory wholesale price x .99) + $75 program fee.

The dealer may add allowable Doc fees, and state tax, license and registration fees, only.

Ok, yeah, I got you. Thanks for the clarification there on that.

JohnT11 02-03-2012 10:26 AM

If the Destination Fee is being charged in addition to the price on the sticker, you're getting ripped off. Also, dealers have a set price doc fee. They have to charge the same to everyone. So you can't get rid of that, but you can get rid of the destination fee (because it was already included in the sticker price).

fishmd 02-03-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnT11 (Post 1990243)
If the Destination Fee is being charged in addition to the price on the sticker, you're getting ripped off. Also, dealers have a set price doc fee. They have to charge the same to everyone. So you can't get rid of that, but you can get rid of the destination fee (because it was already included in the sticker price).

I don't think the OP was saying they were charging him another destination fee, although maybe they were trying to.

I guess if the dealership has to charge everyone the same document fee, than it is what it is. So in Florida for example where there is no cap on this, they can charge you as much as they want as long as it is the same to everyone? Seems kind of crazy. In my case the dealer has a "Dealer Pre-Delivery Service Fee" which underneath that in tiny letters on the form, it says that it includes doc fees as well as prepping the vehicle for sale. This fee is awfully high though in my opinion.

Up Hill Bill 02-03-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmd (Post 1990295)
In my case the dealer has a "Dealer Pre-Delivery Service Fee" which underneath that in tiny letters on the form, it says that it includes doc fees as well as prepping the vehicle for sale. This fee is awfully high though in my opinion.

They absolutely are not allowed to charge that under the Chrysler Affiliate program! Charging ANY other fees is expressly disallowed by Chrysler. If they charge you a fee that includes "dealer prep," they are double charging you. Chrysler pays them for PDI (pre-delivery inspection.) If you are using the Affiliate program, Chrysler will make them pay you back that fee. If your not using the program, the dealer can charge you anything he can trick you into paying!

Mr. Sinister 02-03-2012 11:09 AM

I refuse to pay destination fees, for the simple fact that if they want to sell the Jeep, they need to bring it to the customer.
I don't think I've seen a "Documentation Fee" before. Sounds like they want money for doing their jobs in the clerical capacity. I wouldn't pay that one, either.
Taxes and tags, that's it. But I also live in an area where I can easily take my business elsewhere should they refuse to play ball.

Sparkplugg 02-03-2012 11:15 AM

See my post and listen to Bill. The end.

pat@fieldsauto.com 02-03-2012 11:52 AM

Ok, so here's where the confusion starts and it my mind ends.

My dealership in IL has a $161 doc fee. Our FL store has a doc fee of $589 which is at least $400 less then the surrounding dealers.

Because the dealer can either charge their doc fee or the chrysler doc fee of $75 our FL store found it to be cheaper overall to allow the 1% under and then charge $75 chrysler fee and not their doc fee.


Your jeep has an invoice of 34205. This includes the destination from the factory to the FL store.

Your price is 33,520 plus doc fee of $589 and any other taxes, license and title fees. Total before taxes, license and title fees is 34109.

If you take the 1% under and pay chryslers doc fee of 75, 33862 + 75 = 33937.

That's where the confusion is. Also if you are having the wrangler shipped somewhere else you do have to pay any transport fee from FL to where you want it.

Hope this helps

pat@fieldsauto.com 02-03-2012 11:54 AM

Our $589 is not a predelivery fee it is a DOC FEE. Again I know for a fact that we have the cheapest doc fee anywhere in that area.


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