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mfaas88 02-17-2012 01:50 PM

New to Jeep. Need Info On Rock Crawling
 
Hey all,

9 days ago I bought a 2012 Wrangler Sahara Arctic Edition. It has a 6 speed manual transmission with the standard 3.6L V6. I am curious about trailing and rock crawling. I have only driven a stick shift once in a while before this (my first jeep).

(1) How do you disengage the stabilizer Bar?
(2) How do you effectively trail (slow speeds) or rock crawl with the manual transmission without burning out the clutch?

Tips, advice, Pictures, including mods, are ALWAYS welcome.

-Arctic
Madison, WI

MTH 02-17-2012 01:56 PM

You should practice and research offroading generally before "rock crawling" of course. Particularly to get used to your manual trans. You can "Forrest Gump" your way through a basic trail, but if you rock crawl without knowing what you're doing it's only a matter of time before you break really expensive stuff. I ain't going rock crawling anytime soon, I can tell you that.

That said, look at this picture:

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main....serialNumber=2

See the red sway bar links? Park on level ground, unbolt them from the bottom, and then fold them up and zip tie them to the orange sway bar. Alternatively, you can get "quick release" ones that are easier to remove. Of course, you really don't need to do this at all for general offroading. It's really only when you desire very heavy "flex."

As for creeping slowly, the answer is an auto trans is better for rock crawling for this reason. However, 4Lo in your jeep does offer an "anti-stall" feature by which the computer will rev the throttle just enough to keep the jeep from stalling so long as the wheels aren't so bound as to be "unspinnable." It generally works pretty good, though you may still get a stall every so often. Be aware that this will also prevent you from stopping the jeep with the brakes--you've got to push the clutch in to stop. So the answer is, "Put it in 4Lo."

mfaas88 02-17-2012 02:05 PM

Mike,

what difference in performance between unbolting the sway bar links versus using the electronic sway bar disconnect?

Once again, I have only owned a my '12 JK for 9 days. Just want to jump in and learn as much as possible, without breaking anything on my baby.

JeepAddOns-Chris 02-17-2012 02:17 PM

Nothing at all, just one is done manually and one is automatic. However that is only available on the Rubicon JK.

theStickbug 02-17-2012 02:18 PM

I don't think the electronic sway bar disconnect is on Sahara's. I could be wrong, but I think that's Rubicon only.

JeepAddOns-Chris 02-17-2012 02:22 PM

^Yup.

As far as modifications, that just depends on your end goals for your Jeep and your budget. I can get you "the look" or I can get you a *very* capable trail rig that also works well as a daily driver or we could make it into a monster JK that ventures into buggy territory. :)

edit: And I will respectfully disagree that an automatic is best for rock crawling. The control offered with a manual transmission in the right hands with some skill and experience can work better. However, for the newcomer an auto does certainly make things easier. I personally like the extra challenge. :)

MTH 02-17-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfaas88 (Post 2042306)
what difference in performance between unbolting the sway bar links versus using the electronic sway bar disconnect?

It's been answered. Bottom line is that you don't have the electronic disconnect. But if you did, the answer would be "nothing." The e-disco basically severs the sway bar in half, whereas unbolting the links unattaches the sway bar from the axle. Either way, the result is the front axle can flex without being limited by the sway bar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfaas88 (Post 2042306)
Once again, I have only owned a my '12 JK for 9 days. Just want to jump in and learn as much as possible, without breaking anything on my baby

Based on that, I'm going to say rock crawling shouldn't be your entry into offroading. You need to hook up with some local jeepers and give it a go on some basic trails and the like. Don't worry about disconnecting the sway bar or big rocks just yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepAddOns-Chris (Post 2042375)
edit: And I will respectfully disagree that an automatic is best for rock crawling. The control offered with a manual transmission in the right hands with some skill and experience can work better. However, for the newcomer an auto does certainly make things easier. I personally like the extra challenge. :)

No doubt. I'm a manual trans guy myself, but, like I said, I ain't going rock crawling in my daily driver--that's for sure! :D

mfaas88 02-17-2012 02:32 PM

Well firs of all, thanks to all who are posting. Great feedback. I too always am up for a challenge. As of right now, budget is a very large factor in modifications. This is my only vehicle, and daily driver. Therefore, I am thinking of going for look, and trail rig.

I thought that the JK sahara did have an electronic disconnect, but i could be wrong. I unfortunately have worked over 60 hours since I bought the artic last week.

But keep it all coming!

-Madison, WI
'12 JK Arctic

CactusRed 02-17-2012 02:33 PM

1. Buy a Rubicon

Seriously, you can get sway bar disconnects from a lot of companies.

Search Results - Quadratec

2. Buy a Rubicon

You have to learn how to heel and toe the brake and clutch pedals. You will pick it up quickly with practice. Low range is your freind in the slow stuff. You can practice on a curb - really, start small when learning the technique.

Go out with a group on some easy trail rides - watch, learn to read terrain, take a spotters advice (once you see a good spotter, you'll know how valuable that skill is)

And always tread lightly!

MTH 02-17-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfaas88 (Post 2042404)
I thought that the JK sahara did have an electronic disconnect, but i could be wrong.

It does not.

Compare an Arctic, Sahara, Sport, etc. with a Rubicon here. Note the Rubicon (and the MW3, which is based on the Rubicon) is the only model that will offer the "Electronic Front Sway Bar Disconnect." The Rubicon/MW3 is also the only model to offer rock rails, D44 front axle, 4:1 transfer case, and front and rear lockers. The Arctic is based on the Sahara, which is more of a polished Sport, and does not offer these more "hardcore" offroad features.

mfaas88 02-17-2012 02:39 PM

Also, I hear other jeepers talking about their build sheets. How do I go about acquiring mine?

JeepAddOns-Chris 02-17-2012 03:01 PM

Contact Jeep customer service and give them your VIN. That was the old way to do it back in my day when I would check my junk out. They probably have fancy shmancy online stuff for that now.

Slow down though. Once again before you go buying stuff talk to someone that has experience on these things, not some sales guy that is only going by what he has in front of him on his computer. You're wasting money buying a quick disconnect from company "x" that is made for "y" lift when you want to run "z" amount of lift.

You can have a good time in your Jeep the way it sits now because it has fairly aggressive tires on the Arctic.

mfaas88 02-17-2012 03:09 PM

Info
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepAddOns-Chris (Post 2042507)
Contact Jeep customer service and give them your VIN. That was the old way to do it back in my day when I would check my junk out. They probably have fancy shmancy online stuff for that now.

Slow down though. Once again before you go buying stuff talk to someone that has experience on these things, not some sales guy that is only going by what he has in front of him on his computer. You're wasting money buying a quick disconnect from company "x" that is made for "y" lift when you want to run "z" amount of lift.

You can have a good time in your Jeep the way it sits now because it has fairly aggressive tires on the Arctic.


Thank You! Absolutely... I am not the type of person to just spend money, and potentially hurt my new favorite thing! I am just trying to dive head first into the jeep world. I want to learn as much as I can!

Don't worry, I not going to go plunging into 9 foot deep puddles or crawling boulders bigger than the jeep...just yet ;)

JeepAddOns-Chris 02-17-2012 03:12 PM

You're in a good place for it by being on the forums. Lot of information out there, but a lot of time it can be information overload because you ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers sometimes.

mfaas88 02-17-2012 03:32 PM

just so happens to be that is where my speciaty is

southpaw75 02-17-2012 03:35 PM

Link for the build sheet:

Jeep - Contact Us.

You will need your VIN and its about a 24 hour turn around from email to response.

mfaas88 02-17-2012 03:58 PM

Sounds good.

Thanks!

The Ugly Jeep 02-17-2012 05:31 PM

If it were me, I'd find a beater to get some off road experience before venturing out on the trails in a $30,000 Jeep. Scrapes scratches dings and dents will happen. Those things are what gives a rig character. Maiden voyages in brand new vehicles with little experience and fairly new to a manual transmission could be disastrous.

dwindeck 02-17-2012 09:10 PM

Rock crawling is a term many people use, but most often is just wheeling a hard ass trail with some ledges and steep climbs. That said, to do the hard trails requires a rig that's built for it. 3.5-4.5" Lift, 35-37" tires, lower gears, lower range transfer case, some body armor, alloy shafts are are good investment, doesn't take much to bend the stockers, lockers, winch, one or more rigs with you. Like MTH said...ease into it, what seems hard today will be laughable in a year. Always remember to help and guide others that are out there for the first time, like you are now.

aroseto 02-17-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepAddOns-Chris
^Yup.

edit: And I will respectfully disagree that an automatic is best for rock crawling. The control offered with a manual transmission in the right hands with some skill and experience can work better. However, for the newcomer an auto does certainly make things easier. I personally like the extra challenge. :)

I second this!
I never 4wheel without a manual trans.
So much more control.

jmb6420 02-17-2012 10:38 PM

Find a local group and join in. My first rock crawling event was a fundraiser at Disney, OK. I showed up alone and ended up making a lot of friends and learning a lot about crawling. People literally parked their rigs and spent hours helping others overcome obstacles and self doubt and fear. You will be amazed at what your jeep can do.

Auto's may be easier, but they aren't near as much fun as a manual. I love the challenge.

mfaas88 02-17-2012 11:16 PM

Local Group
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmb6420 (Post 2044279)
Find a local group and join in. My first rock crawling event was a fundraiser at Disney, OK. I showed up alone and ended up making a lot of friends and learning a lot about crawling. People literally parked their rigs and spent hours helping others overcome obstacles and self doubt and fear. You will be amazed at what your jeep can do.

Auto's may be easier, but they aren't near as much fun as a manual. I love the challenge.


Do you have ideas on how to find local wrangler groups?

jmb6420 02-18-2012 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfaas88 (Post 2044401)
Do you have ideas on how to find local wrangler groups?

Wisconsin Jeep Forum - Jeep Wrangler Forum

This link is for Wisconsin wheelers here on the Wrangler Forum. Read the topics, contact some of the posters and hopefully you'll find some local clubs in your area.


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