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doclouie 02-22-2012 11:12 PM

Has anyone broken their Superior Super 35 kit?
 
The title says it all. I would like to hear both first hand experiences and second hand experiences with how they broke. Gearing, tire size etc would be helpful. Thanks.

Jerry Bransford 02-23-2012 12:04 AM

It'd be great to keep this limited to first-hand experiences... not My friend's buddy's Super 35 did so-and-so.

tangofox007 02-23-2012 07:22 AM

It would be great if the individual who posed the question was allowed to decide who he wants to hear from.

SippiTJ 02-23-2012 07:25 AM

I'm subscribed for this. I'm curious as well.

OklaTJ 02-23-2012 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 2065453)
It would be great if the individual who posed the question was allowed to decide who he wants to hear from.

I don't think you know who you are talking to , you might wont to back off.This is not the kind of place for this kind of talk thank you

Barrie 02-23-2012 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OklaTJ (Post 2065539)
I don't think you know who you are talking to , you might wont to back off.This is not the kind of place for this kind of talk thank you

X2! :thumb:

SippiTJ 02-23-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OklaTJ (Post 2065539)
I don't think you know who you are talking to , you might wont to back off.This is not the kind of place for this kind of talk thank you

X3
I didn't even notice that. That needs to be removed.

Rpkittle 02-23-2012 08:56 AM

I'm subscribed! This will probably be the route I go in a year or so.

hcarr1234 02-23-2012 09:02 AM

I'msubscribed! Very interested in this upgrade!

88black5liter 02-23-2012 09:35 AM

Very interested myself, I have the "Ten Factory" 30 spline with the Detroit, so not necessarily the superior kit but, I think its equal. Subscribed :popcorn:

doclouie 02-23-2012 03:18 PM

bump

sm31 02-24-2012 07:51 AM

This might be a dumb question, but that hasn't stopped me in the past... :rolleyes:

What provides the Super 35 axle so much more strength than a stock D35 axle? Is it diameter or the spline count? I'm sure both are important, but which plays a more prominent role in this case?

doclouie 02-24-2012 08:14 AM

The material is 4340 rather than 1040 and the diameter increases so you can also increase the spline count. The splines are rolled and not cut too.

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 09:03 AM

One thing to keep in mind... you're not going to hear of many failed Superior Axle Super 35 kits. The last time I heard any numbers from those associated with Superior Axle, they have only had a very small number of failures... it seems like they said it was under ten broken axle shafts that had been returned to them for warranty replacment since Superior Axle introduced the Super 35 kit. And that's been, what, 15+ years?

limeking 02-24-2012 09:39 AM

If that is so, why do so many people bash on the 35? It seems a simple upgrade, maybe not cheap but some of us don't have the welding skill for an axle swap/

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by limeking (Post 2069387)
If that is so, why do so many people bash on the 35?

Various reasons, many of which center around simple ignorance, others center around its cost. With the full case locker Superior Axle's Super 35 kit comes with, it's not a cheap upgrade. However, for those who don't want to have to actually change the rear axle to something else, and many don't, it's a very good way to go.

limeking 02-24-2012 10:10 AM

When I spoke to my local Jeep shop he said the same thing. He said that the shafts are equivalant to 44 shafts and you get the 30 splines and the tubes are the same. He recommended a selectable locker like ARB. He said alot of problems are with stock shafts and an auto locker. The torque of the locker engaging breaking the shafts.

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by limeking (Post 2069478)
When I spoke to my local Jeep shop he said the same thing. He said that the shafts are equivalant to 44 shafts...

He's on the right trail though Superior Axle's Super 35's hardened alloy 30 spline shafts are actually stronger than the Dana 44's OE carbon steel 30 spline shafts. :)

limeking 02-24-2012 10:18 AM

I think he was comparing them to the chromoly 44 shafts. We, my cousin and I, are looking at a similar upgrade to his d35.

doughenry 02-24-2012 06:15 PM

I've installed the super 35 with ox locker,It has been through hell!4 years strong very happy with the set up.I think I spent around $1300 for the axles and locker,also went to 4.88 gears.

4Jeepn 02-24-2012 07:04 PM

Its a good kit, the shafts were strong enough on my friends to bust some part in the detroit locker. It was able to be driven but made one heck of clunking sound. He ran 33's, and was hard on it. At the time it was a PITA to just get the locker replaced. Out side of that he never had an issue with it.

Johnboy11 02-24-2012 08:33 PM

Shesh it seems to me this is the way to go if you don't want to change your rear end. ya the parts are high but wouldn't it be higher to buy a 8.8 have it fabbed buy a locker and rebuild it and put it in?

fourty4magjr 02-24-2012 08:50 PM

:popcorn: subscribed! Doesn't look like very many have broken them, maybe Jerry scared them all off and they have only heard of friends breaking them lol :D

TnDz TJ 02-24-2012 08:52 PM

I have been leaning a lot toward the Super35 with the OX locker in the future.... I have not heard one bad thing on this upgrade..

SUBSCRIBED!

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 08:55 PM

I'd go ARB, Detroit Locker, or E-Locker before I'd go with the Ox and its cable shifter.

fabrikate_it 02-24-2012 09:11 PM

Not to get too far off subject but why is everyone hung up on ARB's? I guess I just had a bad personal experience with them in the past but i would go Detroit or OX as I don't know enough about the E-lockers to have a say. i'm seriously considering the S35 with Detroit and c-clip eliminators.

TnDz TJ 02-24-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 2071524)
I'd go ARB, Detroit Locker, or E-Locker before I'd go with the Ox and its cable shifter.

Jerry... not to get sidetracked... but why ARB or E-Locker over the OX? Just looking for an honest/experienced opinion here....

My question is...Why would I want to rely on air or DC power to lock in?
1. Compressor goes belly up... no lockers...
2. Bad electrical gremlin gets you... no lockers.
3. Detroits I have run in the past, but want the selectable especially for the front.

The OX, being all mechanical, can be locked with a cable or a pin if you break the cable.

Set me straight if I am wrong or lacking better understanding....persuade me in my decision....

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 09:25 PM

Only those without a lot of experience trying to get a cable-actuated-anything working smoothly and without issue would think a cable actuated mechanism YOU have to make fit and work would be a good way to go. I spent the better part of three weekends trying to get a new aftermarket (B&M) cable actuated auto transmission shifter I had to custom install to work smoothly without problem and it still had problems shifting the day that TJ was stolen several years later.

ARB air compressors and their lockers are extremely well known as nearly bulletproof and are commonly found in the best built rigs that were built by those who can afford any locker they want. Detroit Lockers are simple, work, and are darned near bulletproof as well. Even the E-Locker has a good reputation. I just don't see Ox Lockers in high-end rigs. In fact, I just don't hardly see them in rigs at all. Very rarely do I run into one.

I've worked Ox lockers and realized afterward I'd rather have anything but a cable actuated locker. It just didn't make me want one.

TnDz TJ 02-24-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 2071658)
Only those without a lot of experience trying to get a cable-actuated-anything working smoothly and without issue would think a cable actuated mechanism YOU have to make fit and work would be a good way to go. I spent the better part of three weekends trying to get a new aftermarket (B&M) cable actuated auto transmission shifter I had to custom install to work smoothly without problem and it still had problems shifting the day that TJ was stolen several years later.

ARB air compressors and their lockers are extremely well known as nearly bulletproof and are commonly found in the best built rigs that were built by those who can afford any locker they want. Detroit Lockers are simple, work, and are darned near bulletproof as well. Even the E-Locker has a good reputation. I just don't see Ox Lockers in high-end rigs. In fact, I just don't hardly see them in rigs at all. Very rarely do I run into one.

I've worked Ox lockers and realized afterward I'd rather have anything but a cable actuated locker. It just didn't make me want one.


I appreciate the insight as I have never ran the OX, also never really researched the cons of one. I feel I don't lack the experience, maybe just the hard fact of not having the knowledge. (hence the question). I can see the points you make.

I do like Detroits and yeah... took a few days to curb my driving habits, but with the TJ, I can't see putting one in the front since its my DD.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against ARB's or E-Lockers, in fact, I was planning ARB's and thought I would throw the OX into the mix. I have some time yet before I dive into lockers. You being a well-respected member of the Jeep community I again appreciate your experienced feedback. Thanks....

Jerry Bransford 02-24-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TnDz TJ (Post 2071787)
I do like Detroits and yeah... took a few days to curb my driving habits, but with the TJ, I can't see putting one in the front since its my DD.

In 2wd you'd never know the Detroit Locker was there. Really. :)


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