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Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 10:01 AM

Alright gun folks, help me out!! (please)
 
I'm looking for a Ruger GP100 KG-161 (.357 DA Revolver) in stainless with the black contoured grip and the 6" barrel. Ruger seems to have stopped production on this model (so I've been told by a couple shop owners), and I'm not really a fan of their SP series.

Has anyone seen one of these in their travels? Do you own one you'd like to part with? I live in Maryland, so I think the deal has to be brokered through a dealer (the language of the law is a little cloudy there), but at least you know you'll be covered.

Thanks in advance!!

jerladd 02-23-2012 10:58 AM

Did a quick search at a place I like to shop, do you see it in there?

Discount Guns for Sale - Buds Gun Shop

cavediverjc 02-23-2012 11:00 AM

Gunbroker.com is my best friend when looking for something like that...
But I would start with contacting nick50471 here on the forum. He's a dealer and can probably get you pointed in the right direction.

Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jerladd (Post 2066020)
Did a quick search at a place I like to shop, do you see it in there?

Discount Guns for Sale - Buds Gun Shop

I do see it on their list, but the problem arises in buying in Maryland. As I understand it, if you are a Maryland resident, you must buy your handguns from a licensed dealer IN Maryland. Reason being, is that Maryland requires EVERY handgun sold in the state have a spent casing on file with the State Police. Most out of state dealers won't be bothered with this, and just refuse to sell to shops or people in Maryland.

Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cavediverjc (Post 2066032)
Gunbroker.com is my best friend when looking for something like that...
But I would start with contacting nick50471 here on the forum. He's a dealer and can probably get you pointed in the right direction.

I actually signed up there last week, but ran into the same problem I listed in the above post.

The good news is Ruger's website lists a dealer not too far from me as a licensed retailer, so I emailed them. Just waiting on a reply.

jerladd 02-23-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2066079)
I do see it on their list, but the problem arises in buying in Maryland. As I understand it, if you are a Maryland resident, you must buy your handguns from a licensed dealer IN Maryland. Reason being, is that Maryland requires EVERY handgun sold in the state have a spent casing on file with the State Police. Most out of state dealers won't be bothered with this, and just refuse to sell to shops or people in Maryland.

I checked there site and it said they're "Now Shipping to Maryland." I'd give them a quick call or email asking about it. I've dealt with them several times and they've always been responsive and helpful.

R4D4R 02-23-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2066079)
I do see it on their list, but the problem arises in buying in Maryland. As I understand it, if you are a Maryland resident, you must buy your handguns from a licensed dealer IN Maryland. Reason being, is that Maryland requires EVERY handgun sold in the state have a spent casing on file with the State Police. Most out of state dealers won't be bothered with this, and just refuse to sell to shops or people in Maryland.


Man, that is even dumber than a lot of MA gun laws. Laws like this just make it harder for law abiding citizens to get a gun. Do you think if I was going to knock off a liquor store or cap my crack dealer I would use my gun? No, Id go to some back street in DC and buy one out of the back of a 82 Cadillac.

MarshallbrewJK 02-23-2012 03:47 PM

If you have it shipped to an FFL, they can do the necessary paperwork, etc to get you the firearm. If it's in an adjacent state; PA, VA, or WV, you can drive there and bring it back. It's perfectly legal.

I bought most of my firearms at A&D Pawn in Glen Burnie. They have new and used guns... including class 3. Ask for Jimmy or Gill. Both of them are very knowledgeable.

Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jerladd (Post 2066099)
I checked there site and it said they're "Now Shipping to Maryland." I'd give them a quick call or email asking about it. I've dealt with them several times and they've always been responsive and helpful.

I must have totally "missed the mark" there (see what I did???), I'll have to "shoot" them a message. thanks for the heads up!!

Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by R4D4R (Post 2066594)
Man, that is even dumber than a lot of MA gun laws. Laws like this just make it harder for law abiding citizens to get a gun. Do you think if I was going to knock off a liquor store or cap my crack dealer I would use my gun? No, Id go to some back street in DC and buy one out of the back of a 82 Cadillac.


You're not kidding, and I say the same thing. Criminals by definition don't follow laws, why hurt the honest people?
But it get better!! It is legal to concealed carry a handgun in MD, but not to OPENLY WEAR a firearm.

Mr. Sinister 02-23-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MarshallbrewJK (Post 2066830)
If you have it shipped to an FFL, they can do the necessary paperwork, etc to get you the firearm. If it's in an adjacent state; PA, VA, or WV, you can drive there and bring it back. It's perfectly legal.

I bought most of my firearms at A&D Pawn in Glen Burnie. They have new and used guns... including class 3. Ask for Jimmy or Gill. Both of them are very knowledgeable.

I'll check with them as well, thanks!! I sent an email to Horst & McCann in Bel Air, waiting to hear back.

R4D4R 02-24-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2067086)
You're not kidding, and I say the same thing. Criminals by definition don't follow laws, why hurt the honest people?
But it get better!! It is legal to concealed carry a handgun in MD, but not to OPENLY WEAR a firearm.

That sort of makes sense. NH has no open carry law, you can walk around with your side arm on your leg. I remember a few years ago, (I think it was in NH) that some hayseed was walking around with his gun on his leg when Obama or someone else in the gobmnt was at some town hall meeting. I think it was around the same time of the national healthcare whargarbl. Anyway, it was perfectly legal but the media stomped all over each other to get this dude on TV.
WHY YOU CARRY GUN AROUND? WHY

hayseed: um, because I can.

Repeat for FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC, etc.


Moral of the story? People freak out over guns. Sometimes its best to keep them under wraps

denisbaldwin 02-24-2012 10:36 AM

I have bought 7 guns from Buds so far. They've always been great. As long as you are shipping to an FFL, that should take care of any waiting periods or other issues.

A for that particular revolver, no help here. I only have two revolvers (a snub taurus .38 and an old Colt Army Action) and don't use either much.

Mr. Sinister 02-24-2012 12:13 PM

Heard Back from Horst & McCannm, and they can get the model I want. Didn't mention a price, so now I'm waiting to hear back about that, lol. I know what they're going for, though.

nick50471 02-24-2012 12:24 PM

When did they change the law on the spent casings? It used to be only for new handguns not used.

You will be happy with your GP100. Nice revolver.

Mr. Sinister 02-24-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nick50471 (Post 2069909)
When did they change the law on the spent casings? It used to be only for new handguns not used.

You will be happy with your GP100. Nice revolver.

Well, it does still apply only to new. Frankly, I don't want a used gun.

nick50471 02-24-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2069935)
Well, it does still apply only to new. Frankly, I don't want a used gun.

I read this and assumed EVERY meant new and used.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister
Maryland requires EVERY handgun sold in the state have a spent casing on file with the State Police. Most out of state dealers won't be bothered with this, and just refuse to sell to shops or people in Maryland.


Mr. Sinister 02-24-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nick50471 (Post 2069951)
I read this and assumed EVERY meant new and used.

Understandable, and I should have clarified. :)
This is how it was explained to me:
Every new handgun sold in MD does need a casing on file.
So it's safe to assume that of you buy a used handgun from a Maryland shop or resident that was originally purchased in Maryland (dating after some time in 2001 when this ridiculous law went into effect) the casing for that gun is already on file. I didn't ask about used guns, because I wasn't going to buy one. Buying new or used from out of state is apparently a whole different mess, that I'm not trying to deal with.
It's the whole "ballistic fingerprinting" nonsense, I guess intended to make it easier to track a casing used in a crime back to the owner. except criminals don't buy new guns, because they're criminals, and they can't.

cavediverjc 02-24-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister

except criminals don't buy new guns, because they're criminals, and they can't.

Quote of the day! :thumb:

Tell that to the Libs... Lol...

Mr. Sinister 02-25-2012 11:47 AM

SO I head down to a local gun shop (Rick's Gun and Pawn in Conowingo, MD. really great to deal with) with my dad this morning to pick up the Auto Ordnance 1911 he bought last week, and damned if they didn't have a Ruger GP100 in stainless with a 6" barrel, right in the front of their counter case.

So I pick it up a week from Tuesday (they're closed Sunday and Monday). :D
It didn't have the grip I wanted (I wanted the contoured rubber grip, it had the smooth rubber grip with wood inserts), but I picked up the grip I wanted on fleabay for $18.50. It is lightly used (yeah, I do feel a little dumb now after talking mess, lol), but since I had my dad with me to check it over, who is pretty much an expert on everything guns, I felt pretty comfortable with it.

Funny how things work out. I'll post a pic when I pick it up.

Mr. Sinister 02-25-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cavediverjc (Post 2070422)
Quote of the day! :thumb:

Tell that to the Libs... Lol...

Might as well be talking to a wall then on this issue. I consider myself pretty middle of the road, liberal on some issues, conservative on others. But the gun ownership issue is more common sense than anything, in my opinion.

nick50471 02-25-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2073069)
SO I head down to a local gun shop (Rick's Gun and Pawn in Conowingo, MD. really great to deal with) with my dad this morning to pick up the Auto Ordnance 1911 he bought last week, and damned if they didn't have a Ruger GP100 in stainless with a 6" barrel, right in the front of their counter case.

So I pick it up a week from Tuesday (they're closed Sunday and Monday). :D
It didn't have the grip I wanted (I wanted the contoured rubber grip, it had the smooth rubber grip with wood inserts), but I picked up the grip I wanted on fleabay for $18.50. It is lightly used (yeah, I do feel a little dumb now after talking mess, lol), but since I had my dad with me to check it over, who is pretty much an expert on everything guns, I felt pretty comfortable with it.

Funny how things work out. I'll post a pic when I pick it up.




Glad you found what you were looking for.:thumb: Make sure you shoot it. Then shoot it some more. After that shoot it again. 38's are super cheap and easy to reload for a revolver. Keep that in mind. Great hobby too.

As a rule used guns are typically good buys. Much different than buying a used car. A used vehicle can hide flaws for months. Firearms on the other hand are normally what you see is what you get.

First, most people don't shoot that often and very few rounds get fired at all. Most used guns are not even properly broken in.

Second, if they are a shooter they normally take very good care of the gun.

The telling signs on guns are finish, fit and wear. Look down the bore. Should be nice and shiney with deep cut rifling. Look for handling marks like at the muzzle for wear from being put into and out of a case, holster wear, idiot scratch on 1911's, cylinder and crane fit on revolvers. You don't need to be an expert to tell when something just isn't right.

I can't even begin to tell you how many firearms I have bought and sold. some great deals and some losers. I have missed some things and it has cost me but when you make as many deals as I have it is bound to happen.

Mr. Sinister 02-25-2012 10:14 PM

I've been shooting since I was about 10 years old, and this is far from my first gun. This Ruger is only my third handgun, though.
I was raised around them, and taught how to respect and care for firearms. It's funny you mention the 1911, I have a WWII issue Remington-Rand 1911 in my night stand. It's even got the U.S. Government serial number on it.
My dad reloads quite a bit, and I want to learn.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...225_230526.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...225_230721.jpg

nick50471 02-25-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister
I've been shooting since I was about 10 years old, and this is far from my first gun. This Ruger is only my third handgun, though.
I was raised around them, and taught how to respect and care for firearms. It's funny you mention the 1911, I have a WWII issue Remington-Rand 1911 in my night stand. It's even got the U.S. Government serial number on it.
My dad reloads quite a bit, and I want to learn.


Sorry only the first part of my post was directed at you. The rest was just general info for anyone that might be buying a used gun.

Nice piece of history. :thumb: is it a GI bring back?

Mr. Sinister 02-25-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nick50471 (Post 2074980)
Sorry only the first part of my post was directed at you. The rest was just general info for anyone that might be buying a used gun.

Nice piece of history. :thumb: is it a GI bring back?

I didn't take it any kind of negative way. :thumb:
Nothing wrong with helpful information!!

My understanding is it's either an officer's pistol, or one that was "lost in battle". Supposedly, only officers could take their sidearms home with them, the average enlisted man could not. But, many were "lost in battle". So that means it had to be brought back by a soldier, as they were never surplussed.
It is a pretty cool thing, especially to think it may have actually been fired during the war. My Grandfather served in Europe, but I know it's not his.
My dad is a big WWII buff, and he's got a few original M1 rifles, both carbines and garands. I know one was made by the jukebox manufacturer Rockola, but I'm not sure about the others. One has the original paratrooper folding stock.

Mr. Sinister 03-05-2012 07:26 AM

2 more days....... :nonono:

PecosRiver 03-05-2012 08:53 AM

Don't dismiss ugly guns as being abused. My Colt Officer's model shows quite a bit of holster wear from when it was my primary duty weapon when I was a cop. It also has a scuff that doesn't rub out from when it came in contact with a shotgun. The gun functions flawlessly though and has been my go to gun for everything gun related.

I couldn't tell you how many rounds have passed through that barrel, but it is a very high number. I like 1911s and own several. My first 1911 is a Government Model in nickel and has also been shot to excess. That one is still pristine though.

I've had a Ruger .357 at one point and found it to be a sweet gun, but I am a semi-auto freak and ended up selling it to a revolver freak. Not sure of the model. Ruger makes some nice weapons.

Mr. Sinister 03-05-2012 07:24 PM

Oh I love that 1911 pictured there, any blemishes are from use, and that use is good history.

armygreen 03-06-2012 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister (Post 2074952)

in 1973 my G.I. Joe had that EXACT same gun!
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...XjWikxQSrHSOyAhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...qRLgEfLT-SkoQF
but his Kung-Fu grip kept making him have negligent discharges, he just couldn't keep his finger out of the trigger guard.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...MpdpD-pZhghVbO ...... http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...WGHpSb6n9TdfcC






omg they had an Edgar Winter GI Joe, i had no idea...
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...hgI7gF7f990wV3

Mr. Sinister 03-06-2012 07:20 AM

lmfao


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