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sneck 02-26-2012 09:56 PM

Looking for First Aid and Fire Extinguisher
 
So, I joined a jeep club recently (finally right?). I meet almost off of the rig requirements, except for two. As it turns out, I need a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit. In the interest of being a total cheapass, but also not wasting my money, anyone have any leads on where to get a good deal? Ideally, I'd like to get some something to mount on the rear roll bars. Thanks for any advice! :dance:

Iz3k34l 02-26-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sneck
So, I joined a jeep club recently (finally right?). I meet almost off of the rig requirements, except for two. As it turns out, I need a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit. In the interest of being a total cheapass, but also not wasting my money, anyone have any leads on where to get a good deal? Ideally, I'd like to get some something to mount on the rear roll bars. Thanks for any advice! :dance:

I'm not sure about the fire extinguisher but I would check on eBay. As for a first aid kit

http://www.vtarmynavy.com/large-m17-medic-bag-kit.htm

It's pretty extensive, it should work in most any situation.

themoneypit 02-26-2012 10:49 PM

Oh my god, now that is a first air. Could start my own clinic at the campground.

themoneypit 02-26-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by themoneypit
Oh my god, now that is a first air. Could start my own clinic at the campground.

Sorry "aid"

seanpholman 02-26-2012 11:51 PM

This first aid kit is pretty comprehensive and fits the rear storage trunk perfectly.

http://www.lifelinefirstaid.com/stor...&list=category

It is available through Cool Tech: Cool Tech LLC. First Aid Kit

Here is how it fits:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...y/bf8e4b72.jpg

--Sean

wrangler0 02-27-2012 12:00 AM

This is the kit I keep in my Jeep:

Johnson & Johnson*Red Cross All-Purpose First Aid Kit | Walgreens

Baby Huey 02-27-2012 01:30 AM

Do they require you to BUY a First Aid Kit or can you assemble one yourself ?
I used a Fire Extinguisher with a Coast Guard approval, not sure without looking ,I think it's 2 1/2 Lb Dry Chemical.
I always put together a small First Aid kit and put the items in a waterproof storage container . Enough to treat cuts small and large, tape, gauze, Neosporin, scissors,nail nippers, band aids, you know, common sence stuff... It's not hard to figger out... "BH"

Harro 02-27-2012 02:24 AM

Hiya put your fist aid kit togeather your self ,,fire extinguisher ,buy that anywhere,, no fire extinguisher ,shake up a hot can of beer and spray,, no crap it works.

Pushrod 02-27-2012 03:09 AM

After having bought a first aid kit in the past and saw what was NOT inside I would recommend putting together your own with more than the first aid kits that really only amount to scratch recovery kits. Most of them only have enough for one time and for very minor cuts. If you roll you may actually need some real bandage material.

strider_mt2k 02-27-2012 03:38 AM

That M17 Medic bag kit is a bit more what would be considered TRULY comprehensive, and a realistic choice for wheeling.
Those tiny kits have band aids and aspirin in them and not much more.

The larger kits don't have to be stored in your Jeep full time, BTW. In some cases long term exposure to high/low temps can shorten the life of some first aid kit stuff.

I'm developing separate kit bags (tools, recovery, clothes, first aid) to take along now that I've gotten some experience and done some reading.
There is a club near me that also requires that stuff so I'm trying to put it all together too. :)

sneck 02-27-2012 05:39 AM

yeah theres no real requirements for a first aid kit, I just try to keep a good balance between being cheap and being lazy; hence my addiction to amazon. I would think all I would need for something I could carry year round would be a decent amount of gauze and bandages, a variety of bandaids, and some alcohol wipes. I mean, no first aid kit is complete without a gallon of morphine, but the FDA does not seem to approve of my methods. Either way, I guess I could look into a M.O.R.E style rear door bag, or some type of roll cage bag to stick the stuff in. same with the fire extinguisher. I just have literally no clue when it comes to the fire extinguisher, I wouldn't know the worst from the best

Gate53 02-27-2012 06:00 AM

I'd look for a former Navy Corpsman and have him make me a list. I was always impressed what all Doc could pull out of that little bag of his. Treated everything from sprains and breaks to bullet holes and the bag was tiny.

SirGeorgeKillian 02-27-2012 06:11 AM

The level of kit you have should be equivalent to the level of training you have. Notice I said training not certification just as long as you aren't doing anything too advanced. Here is what I keep in my bag:
Some rolls of cling, 4x4's, trauma shears, 02, BVM, intubation equipment, glucometer, oral glucose, pen light, some sam splints, medical tape, grey medical tape (aka duct tape). I'm just going off the top of my head without checking. Having a medic with a few bags of lactated ringers would be your best friend if you ever rolled bad enough. I stay away from ointments, they waste space. Also some motrin is a nice touch. Alao, a few if the pen flairs that shoot up in the air is nice.

Thumper2012 02-27-2012 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by seanpholman (Post 2078591)
This first aid kit is pretty comprehensive and fits the rear storage trunk perfectly.

http://www.lifelinefirstaid.com/stor...&list=category

It is available through Cool Tech: Cool Tech LLC. First Aid Kit

Here is how it fits:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...y/bf8e4b72.jpg

--Sean


Sean, what is that orange thing to the left of the first aid kit???

SilverSport 02-27-2012 09:48 AM

Looks like the jack base that AEV sells. Allows you to still be able to use the factory jack to raise lifted Jeeps with bigger tires.

schirmyver 02-27-2012 09:55 AM

That medic bag is pretty insane. I would also suggest making your own kit. I actually have a couple kits that I grab depending on where I am going, what I am doing and who I am going with. I keep a small general purpose first aid kit in the Jeep all the time with standard bandages, splints, instant ice packs, CPR barrier and misc. drugs such as tylenol, motrin, benedryl, dramamine and pepto. Plus I always have a roll of duct tape, which has all sorts of first aid uses.

If you are looking for a good kit, this one is pretty thorough with a nice tough water proof case. It is expensive, as is most stuff labeled for scuba but it is fairly complete and the case is nearly indestructible. I chose to use this kit simply as a shopping list as to what to include in my own kit.

DAN Guardian Plus Diver First Aid Kit 631-2300 with reviews at scuba.com

As SirGeorgeKillian hinted, make sure you know how to use the stuff you pack as well. It is great to have all this stuff handy, but if you do not know how to use any of it then there is no point. I would highly recommend you take a first aid class. You can contact your local red cross or look online. As a diver I take an Emergency First Responder course every two years to keep up to date along with being certified to administer Oxygen.

kbwwolf 02-27-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2078866)
I just have literally no clue when it comes to the fire extinguisher, I wouldn't know the worst from the best

Sneck, for the fire extinguisher you want one rated B:C for liquid/electrical fires, which are the standard for automotive fires. Most 2.5 lb extinguishers rated for B:C use can also be used for A-type fires (wood, paper, etc) once electricity has been shut off.

Read about various types of fires and extinguishers here:

H3R Performance | Fire Classification / Fire Extinguisher Types

I carry two of these in my Jeep:

H3R Performance | MX250R ABC Dry Chemical Fire Extinguisher

I don't use the roll bar mounts. I simply lay mine beside the driver's and passenger's seats, between the seat rail and the door. There's a small well area there that holds them in place just fine. That way, if I ever have to get to them, I can just grab one on my out the door. A fire extinguisher is useless if you can't get to it quickly.

The type I have above can be bought through Amazon or Quadratec, etc. But they're pretty expensive. If you want a simpler, cheaper alternative, these from Amazon will work:

Amazon.com: Kidde FA110 Multi Purpose Fire Extinguisher 1A10BC: Home Improvement

SirGeorgeKillian 02-27-2012 10:30 AM

Also not just the equipment being useless if you dont have the knowledge to use it, it can be downright dangerous if used incorrectly. With no certs, you can go under the guise of good Samaritan, but once you cross a certain line (varies by state) you are opening yourself to some liability issues. My rule of thumb any time I fix someone is that before I make every move, it os something a jury of my peers would agree with. That is both on and off duty.

Remember, there are some messed up people in this world. The kind who legally die, get recessed, and wake up to sue the person who did CPR for breaking their ribs. (Something that is a sign of effective CPR). If I know I'm in the right, I go for it. Not trying to scare you out of trying to help people, just giving advice from someone who does it for a living....

RoobyRoo 02-27-2012 11:10 AM

Also when choosing a fire extinguisher, should you be concerned with the summer temps inside your Jeep? The cheap ones I have seen say not to store in a place that would exceed 140 degrees. Can't the inside of a vehicle exceed that in direct sun on a hot day? Do the H3R ones do better in the heat?

sneck 02-27-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 2079471)
Sneck, for the fire extinguisher you want one rated B:C for liquid/electrical fires, which are the standard for automotive fires. Most 2.5 lb extinguishers rated for B:C use can also be used for A-type fires (wood, paper, etc) once electricity has been shut off.

Read about various types of fires and extinguishers here:

H3R Performance | Fire Classification / Fire Extinguisher Types

I carry two of these in my Jeep:

H3R Performance | MX250R ABC Dry Chemical Fire Extinguisher

I don't use the roll bar mounts. I simply lay mine beside the driver's and passenger's seats, between the seat rail and the door. There's a small well area there that holds them in place just fine. That way, if I ever have to get to them, I can just grab one on my out the door. A fire extinguisher is useless if you can't get to it quickly.

The type I have above can be bought through Amazon or Quadratec, etc. But they're pretty expensive. If you want a simpler, cheaper alternative, these from Amazon will work:

Amazon.com: Kidde FA110 Multi Purpose Fire Extinguisher 1A10BC: Home Improvement

Awesome info, I had just added that kiddie to my shopping cart so I'm glad I was on the right page. Now for the ultimate newb question.....

Any concern with the can bouncing out with the doors off? I mean I'm trying to visualize that crevice in my head, I'd just hate to lose it while out trail riding or something

SirGeorgeKillian 02-27-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sneck

Awesome info, I had just added that kiddie to my shopping cart so I'm glad I was on the right page. Now for the ultimate newb question.....

Any concern with the can bouncing out with the doors off? I mean I'm trying to visualize that crevice in my head, I'd just hate to lose it while out trail riding or something

YES YES YES. There is a high concern for that. Never never never leave an extinguisher unmounted. Not just for fear of being hit by it in a collision, but what it can become if impacted hard enough in the right spot, and that is a missile! Plus if you roll on the trail (low speed) then start to catch on fire, where did your extinguisher go? Not laying on the floor by your seat where you left it.....

JIMBOX 02-27-2012 11:31 AM

:whistling: I just have a loose ziptie on mine and they haven't even moved in over 2 years-

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/IMG_0010.jpg

:dance::rofl: JIMBO

SirGeorgeKillian 02-27-2012 11:35 AM

A loose zip tie is better than nothing. Hasnt moved in a few years, but will it move in a roll over or wreck? Guess you gotta do it to find out! Not ideal, but better than nothing!

JIMBOX 02-27-2012 11:44 AM

:whistling: It might move if I drive off the edge of the GRAND CANYON too, but

Thats not on my "things to worry about" list !

:dance::rofl: JIMBO

sneck 02-27-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 2079658)
:whistling: It might move if I drive off the edge of the GRAND CANYON too, but

Thats not on my "things to worry about" list !

:dance::rofl: JIMBO


Just means you're picking a wussy line. Just put it in second and give it all you got!

JIMBOX 02-27-2012 11:51 AM

:whistling: You musta trained that driver in the "jeep roll over" video !


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Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2079672)
Just means you're picking a wussy line. Just put it in second and give it all you got!

:dance::rofl: JIMBO

wat3rdog 02-27-2012 12:00 PM

Try a camping / hunting store. I have a cheapy from cvs and I take a day pack with a ziplock filled with my own needs. I have a few old metal first aid boxes I grabed from work over the years. Also try a military surplus store. The best is to build your own with gauze, bandaids, antiseptic, ect..
The wife is a nurse so I'm always set with supply's.

seanpholman 02-27-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper2012 (Post 2079325)
Sean, what is that orange thing to the left of the first aid kit???

Yeah, it is the AEV jack base that allows you to use the stock jack with tires up to 37s. Nice, tough, and compact.

--Sean

Riccochet 02-27-2012 12:54 PM

I use the first aid kit that was in my 05 Mercedes C55. For a small kit it has a lot of useful items. Gauze, bandages, ace wrap, scissors, tape, anti-bacterial ointment. It has come in handy on more than one occasion. Just have to remember to resupply it.

You can find these kits on Ebay for around $20. Fits perfectly in the rear tray of a '12.

kbwwolf 02-27-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2079607)
Awesome info, I had just added that kiddie to my shopping cart so I'm glad I was on the right page. Now for the ultimate newb question.....

Any concern with the can bouncing out with the doors off? I mean I'm trying to visualize that crevice in my head, I'd just hate to lose it while out trail riding or something

Like Jimbo said, a couple of zip ties will work. Just make sure you've got some side cutters handy if you need to cut em off.

I've got some long velcro strips that I wrap around the extinguishers and seat rails.


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