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adg44 02-29-2012 08:20 PM

Looks like my roof is leaking - '12 Sahara
 
It has been raining all day today, and when we went to go to dinner, we noticed water had dripped onto the nav screen and the passenger seat. I stuck my hand on the twist latch in front of the rear view mirror (between the two panels) and it was wet.

I only have 700 miles and have never removed the top. From what I can tell the panels are installed correctly.

Thoughts?

dustyc 02-29-2012 08:24 PM

Take the drivers side panel off. You will see where the rubber overlaps. If it was set down wrong it could leak. Happened on my 2010 once.

Ronk 02-29-2012 08:39 PM

I tried to fix the problem with my 08. Mine leaks in between the door seal and the soft top. I tossed my carpet it was getting a mildew smell. Good luck.....

zagu 03-01-2012 09:16 AM

i've been hearing/seeing this problem with the hard top/soft top. i hope mine does not have this problem. What did jeep say about this? no official stand from the company? just wondering. thanks!

Up Hill Bill 03-01-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zagu (Post 2090826)
i've been hearing/seeing this problem with the hard top/soft top. i hope mine does not have this problem. What did jeep say about this? no official stand from the company? just wondering. thanks!

Yeap, Jeep knows about leaking tops. They even published this manual on how to fix them:

http://www.jeep-club.net/graphics/ma..._Leaks_All.pdf

I had the same freedom top center seal leak the OP has and was able to fix it by carefully cleaning all the top seals with 303 Aerospace Protectant and VERY careful attention to detail when reinstalling the tops. It took a few tries, but no more leaks.... We had snow, then hail, then very heavy rain over the last few days, and absolutely not a drop of water in the Jeep!

Try to fix it yourself before resorting to the dealer. Many here have reported worse leaking after the dealer's "leak specialist" messed with it!

treames192 03-01-2012 11:41 PM

Well the good news is, your jeep is band new and under warranty. Take it to a dealer and have hem fix it. Even then it will probably still leak. And if u don't want it to leak, never remove the top.

flyinion 03-02-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by treames192 (Post 2093417)
And if u don't want it to leak, never remove the top.

That's just not true. My hardtop has never leaked since I took delivery in January. It's been through rain and pressure washer type touchless car washes and not a single drop comes in. I've had the freedom panels off multiple times in between the water events and have also popped the seals on the rear though I did not fully remove it from the Jeep.

From what I've read around here since I started looking way back in September is that in most cases the leaks can be fixed by either the dealer or the user themselves. There are for sure cases where someone just has a bad Jeep or top or something, but to say never to take the top off if you don't want it to leak is bogus IMO.

Ballandchain 03-02-2012 06:31 AM

Out of 5 Jeeps, none has leaked......

pdubois64 03-02-2012 06:38 AM

I had my 09 for 2 years and never had a leak either. The panels were off many times and I never paid any attention to how I put them back on. I'm not sure what's going on with these ones that leak, hope you can get it fixed. My 2012 is too new to tell yet, but I've washed it once and no leaks. No rain here yet, still snow.

adg44 03-02-2012 11:04 AM

Well I removed the front two panels yesterday as it was very warm, and then reinstalled them last night. Perhaps the panels weren't sitting perfectly from the factory and that allowed the slight water leak.

How tight am I supposed to screw the bolts into the rear (sound bar) area? I assume this doesn't want to be over or under tightened, as then It can tweak how the panels are sitting.

pdubois64 03-02-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by adg44 (Post 2094659)
Well I removed the front two panels yesterday as it was very warm, and then reinstalled them last night. Perhaps the panels weren't sitting perfectly from the factory and that allowed the slight water leak.

How tight am I supposed to screw the bolts into the rear (sound bar) area? I assume this doesn't want to be over or under tightened, as then It can tweak how the panels are sitting.

I used to tighten them by hand as tight as I could. Then after driving around awhile I'd tighten them again.

J.Thrasher 03-02-2012 12:08 PM

My arctic leaked right onto the nav. I removed and reinstalled and did not put the big soundbar screws back in. No leaks since. 11000 miles ago.

pdubois64 03-02-2012 12:09 PM

Actually I did leave those big sound bar screws out as well with no issues.

adg44 03-02-2012 12:54 PM

OK, if you guys are leaving them out and not having leaks, then that tells me that over-tightening the bolts can adversely affect the seals (perhaps causing them to be too compressed).

wrangler0 03-02-2012 12:59 PM

My 2 year old 2010 Sahara has never leaked (knocks on wood) yet. I've removed the front panels several times and cleaned off the seals before reinstalling them and made sure things were seated properly.

CiDZillA 03-02-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adg44 (Post 2095024)
OK, if you guys are leaving them out and not having leaks, then that tells me that over-tightening the bolts can adversely affect the seals (perhaps causing them to be too compressed).


I have no proof but I think this is correct. I have a '10 with Freedom Top. I've had leaks before where the two front pieces meet. I removed the panels and replaced them, making sure the rubber was lined up right, and only screwed in the sound bar bolts til they were snug, not super tight.

Ronk 03-02-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill

Yeap, Jeep knows about leaking tops. They even published this manual on how to fix them:

http://www.jeep-club.net/graphics/ma..._Leaks_All.pdf

I had the same freedom top center seal leak the OP has and was able to fix it by carefully cleaning all the top seals with 303 Aerospace Protectant and VERY careful attention to detail when reinstalling the tops. It took a few tries, but no more leaks.... We had snow, then hail, then very heavy rain over the last few days, and absolutely not a drop of water in the Jeep!

Try to fix it yourself before resorting to the dealer. Many here have reported worse leaking after the dealer's "leak specialist" messed with it!

I looked over the leak manual and fixed my leak. It rained all day and no water.

adg44 04-22-2012 07:49 PM

Well I thought I had fixed the leaks just by removing and reinstalling the top panels, but it has rained for the last two days and It is leaking again above the windshield where the two panels meet.

Rubicon_Jim 04-22-2012 07:57 PM

Removed my freedom panels many times, no leaks and I put the sound bar screws back in at medium tension. Mines a '12 jkur

Iamjrad79 04-22-2012 08:05 PM

I have a '12 JKU and remove my tops all the time, never had a leak. Yesterday I put my tops back on without the soundbar screws and went through a carwash without any problems. I'm careful about making sure they seat properly when I put them back on, but I've never had a leak.

jk'n 04-22-2012 08:44 PM

My first 08 JKU Sahara leaked. Chrysler owns that one now. The one they replaced it with leaked in the exact same spot. Whatever they did to it on their second attempt to fix it did the trick. I have had the panels off and on now for almost 4 years and no leaks. I have dual tops. I'm happy with both now. I can't give details of the buyback so please don't ask about that part.

Now that my jeep is out of warranty, I will fix any leaks that crop up. I don't expect any to for a long time because I maintain the seals using a product by Turtle Wax called Ice interior cleaner. It keeps the seals clean, looking black and lubricated (silicone lube I think). Whatever is in the stuff, it makes the seals work well.

While the jeep was under warranty and since it leaked from delivery, I had Chrysler take care of it for me. Some people try to solve the problem themselves. New jeeps shouldn't leak upon delivery. I went that way.

Kelsey73 04-22-2012 08:52 PM

I had a small leak that has actually gone away by removing the panels and cleaning the seals thoroughly with 303 a few times and carefully reseating.

DblDuece 04-22-2012 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adg44 (Post 2290918)
Well I thought I had fixed the leaks just by removing and reinstalling the top panels, but it has rained for the last two days and It is leaking again above the windshield where the two panels meet.

It might be the actual order you are securing the tops. Every jeep is special in their own way so you might have to figure out the best way for yours. I personally place the passenger side on first, seating it properly and clamping the windshield down, then side. The rears are always last and most of the time I don't even insert the screws. I believe screwing them in too tight will make the front looser.....possibly where your leak is coming from. Let us know.

jk'n 04-22-2012 09:12 PM

The screws help keep the roof in place in a rollover.

JeeperSter 04-22-2012 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Thrasher (Post 2094880)
My arctic leaked right onto the nav. I removed and reinstalled and did not put the big soundbar screws back in. No leaks since. 11000 miles ago.

I cant see how you drive without the screws? in my 11JK i under tightened them and the panels rattled driving down the road.. snugged em some more and they have been fine
Maybe its different for different years/models:confused:

J.Thrasher 04-22-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeperSter
I cant see how you drive without the screws? in my 11JK i under tightened them and the panels rattled driving down the road.. snugged em some more and they have been fine
Maybe its different for different years/models:confused:

I'm not sure if the freedom panels are the same between 11and 12 or 2 and 4 door. I only use the latches and they snug the panels down in the front, back to the hardtop and middle to each other. No rattle and no leak.

EchoThruMe 04-22-2012 09:34 PM

Yup. Your under warranty and the dealer will fix the issue. You just need to hope it lasts. Many jeeps leak unfortunately but not all and not always. Good luck pal.

IBgeocaching 04-22-2012 09:58 PM

I have only had my panels off once, last fall. Went through the rest of fall, winter with lots of rain and wet snow, car washes, nothing. Last week after an all night rain I had some leakage. Didn`t touched it and have had a couple of all day rains since and nothing. ??? We did have a temp change from high 70`s back to normal with highs in the high 30`s.

adg44 05-02-2012 01:10 PM

I took a closer look at my top where it meets the windshield, and it appears that the driver's side panel sits slightly higher and further back than the passenger side panel. I removed it and reinstalled again, yet it still sits the same way.

Perhaps this is where my leak is coming from?

Pattynole 05-02-2012 01:14 PM

Up Hill Bill: thanks for sharing that manual. I've not had any problems (have taken my top of numerous times) but I saved the manual for future "in case" times.


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