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BladeMechanical 03-02-2012 08:56 AM

Davis-Monthan Air Force Base Training
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D-M squadron to injure live pigs for medic training

Chris M 03-02-2012 11:55 AM

I'm going to comment only from the perspective of having skimmed the article.

This has been going on for a long time. It's good to get the "smells" and "fluids" associated with dealing with a living being. This is about as close to real as you can get when it comes to training. They just have to get in and get their hands dirty.

But, does it border on cruel? Probably, but looking at it from a war fighters you want someone who is trained to deal with trauma in the field and keep you alive as long as possible? Or do you want someone to work on you that has no experience and has had no practical training? It might sound cruel, but I value the life of our soldiers over the life of an animal. Hopefully it will please those in the animal rights corners that these animals are "giving their lives, to save soldiers."

BladeMechanical 03-02-2012 12:25 PM

I agree 100%, additionally, this will benefit anyone in a trauma situation, civilian, military or law enforcement and even pets.

DevilDogDoc 03-16-2012 08:50 PM

In a 2006 New York Times article, a Navy corpsman said for his combat wound training an anesthetized pig was shot eight times with several types of firearms before it was set on fire. The mission for the corpsman: to keep the animal alive for as long as possible. It survived for 15 hours.

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Thats what we called goat school back in the day. Back then only Special Forces guys went to it, SEALS and Recon Corpsman, ordinary line Corpsman did not. Now all the kids get to go, its a team effort usually 4 to a team, anesthetized pig is shot a few times, the team has to put in a couple chest tubes, a couple of IO's, a cutdown line and a few other things but the goal is the same; keep the pt alive as long as possible. Now is it cruel? The animal is anesthetized so it doesnt feel any pain but truthfully I don't care if it does. If killing a few pigs is going to make the difference between one of my Marines coming back to his family alive or not, then bring the pigs. Now the PETA people have issues with this but then again they have lots of their own issues anyway, people are people and animals are animals. They serve a purpose,whatever purpose that may be but a purpose the same. In some countries people dress their dogs in little sweaters and carry them in a purse, in others they roast them on a spit. Who are we to judge. Now when it comes to this sort of thing I am a little biased as is obvious, but when I was at field med we had to practice on each other, up to and including an IO in each other chests. For those that don't know an IO is short for an inter-osseous IV, which in short is a needle in a bone for IV access, and the Navy bone of choice is the breastbone.
Ahh good times.

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