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ekall 03-02-2012 05:59 PM

Slight disappointment with Black Rock 909D's
 
I got these yesterday and don't plan on mounting them for another few weeks but I was surprised to find that the center caps are plastic (I figured they would be metal) and even worse and borderline embarrassing is that one of the bolts that appear to hold the cap on is fake so essentially only one bolt is holding the whole plastic cap on. I still like these and the quality of the wheel itself is very good but the center cap is ridiculous. I would have gladly paid an extra 15 bucks for at least a real bolt.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anyone else running these is having any problems with the caps flopping around or not sitting properly.

stevebanzai 03-02-2012 06:11 PM

I just installed these on a buddys jeep. I was dissapointed with the overall quality. Not to mention theres like 10 holes for a different lug pattern. It was a pain in the ass spinning the tire to find the right pattern.

I didn't expect the covers to be plastic either, which was really cheesy. The whole one screw holding them in was ridiculous. Whats so hard about drilling and tapping another hole for the second screw?

strider_mt2k 03-02-2012 06:24 PM

Disappointing indeed! I like the look of those wheels with the DTs a lot.

:(

44Blues 03-02-2012 08:47 PM

I knew the center caps were plastic prior to buying mine and do not particulary care for lug covers overall but liked the wheel very much...enough to buy them. I have not had any issues at all.

ekall 03-02-2012 08:55 PM

I contacted DTD to inquire about purchasing an extra cover in case I have problems down the road and they responded about 20 minutes later offering to send one out Monday for free. I'm guessing this issue has come up already. I'm really starting to think I just made a $600 wheel FAIL.

stevebanzai 03-02-2012 09:00 PM

Lol ^

SilverSport 03-03-2012 12:27 AM

I have the same wheels on order and have no problems with a plastic center cap. Don't have to worry about rust. And since they are plastic, one bolt should be more than sufficient to hold the cap in place.

And if the cap isnt fitting tight, it may be hitting the lugnuts. I purchased open cap lug nuts to avoid that issue based on advice on here! :thumb:

ekall 03-04-2012 11:34 AM

So I've looked into this a bit more and it seems some people have had issues and others have not. My concern is that eventually the plastic caps will become brittle and fall/break off and it could possibly be difficult to get new caps. I've had caps fall off before. Every store that sells these (online) shows the picture of these with two silver screws which would lead anyone to believe that two real screws actually hold these on. Most don't mention the fact that you will need open ended lugs, locks and valve stems. Black Rock did however include a new Allen key with each wheel (why???) Anyway, this ends my complaining session regarding these. They still look damn good at the end of the day and of course I will keep them but I have to give a thumbs down to Black Rock for cheapness.

brentwood 10-23-2013 10:59 PM

I know this thread is old but i just put these black rock 909's on today. Having the same issue with the center caps not sitting right. I would be ok running them without the caps but looks cheesy since they're made for 2different bolt patterns. Gonna call discount tiredirect and see what they suggest

Gden 10-31-2013 05:43 PM

Mine are on the way and until now I assumed I could use the stock lug nuts, what lug nuts do I need, if anyone could let me know what kind and where to get them that would be awesome thanks!

brentwood 10-31-2013 08:41 PM

You need open ended lug nuts so that center caps sit properly

blackntan 10-31-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentwood (Post 5797682)
You need open ended lug nuts so that center caps sit properly

Yep. Open ended lugs will solve the problem. Had mine over 2 years and never any problem with the caps.

OARfan 11-01-2013 09:19 AM

One of the screw's became stuck after 2 weeks ownership. DTD took care of me and shipped a new wheel right away. A little disappointing to say the least. The tire shop said about 1 in 4 wheels he's seen seem to have this problem. I still like the wheel's though.

afir 11-01-2013 10:14 AM

I looked into this myself. DTD told me that manufacturers are leaning torward having the centercaps open on one side for airflow into the center of the wheel to deter corrosion. IDK. didnt know that was a major issue?

Barmanvarn 11-01-2013 10:43 AM

I ran mine without the center caps with black lugs for about a year. Then one day I decided to put them on since I had them. I have no problem with their being plastic. I'll take any weight reduction that I can get.

I recently upgraded from 15s to 17s and went with the same wheels.

In short, I have no complaints.

Gden 11-02-2013 12:36 AM

thanks! Just picked up some open end lugs, build starts next week! Does anyone have these in 15x10 with 4''bs? i looked all over and finally found a post from a discount tire dude saying the 15x8 and the 15x10 fit without calliper rubbing issues, i already ordered them but its still been in the back of my mind if they're going to fit for sure.

Barmanvarn 11-02-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gden (Post 5830970)
thanks! Just picked up some open end lugs, build starts next week! Does anyone have these in 15x10 with 4''bs? i looked all over and finally found a post from a discount tire dude saying the 15x8 and the 15x10 fit without calliper rubbing issues, i already ordered them but its still been in the back of my mind if they're going to fit for sure.

15s fit my 2012 no prob.

Gden 11-02-2013 02:08 AM

Siiiiiiick I'm stoked! Thanks man!

j3ph3ry_j33p 11-02-2013 02:11 AM

run 'em without the stupid caps......this guy is and it looks swell...

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I think universal size optioned tires are too un-specific and suggest less than acceptable quality, regardless of the look or build. I looked into these because of cost and I wanted machined rims with black centers but opted for the Level 8 STR Vs from DesertRat due to the
dedicated 5x5 bolt pattern and hub centric cut of the centers.....
but, you'll be shopping for beadlocks within 2 years, anyway so save the caps for the newb you sell them to......
;)

brentwood 11-02-2013 02:26 AM

I think they look a lot better with center caps because they come drilled for 2 bolt patterns. And they dont seal very tight so not sure why you would need open center caps. 15 x 8 with 4in backspace fits perfect so 15x10 with same bs should be fine.

Imped 11-02-2013 06:25 AM

I run em without caps.....

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps716763c6.jpg

kjeeper10 11-02-2013 06:50 AM

Vote for no caps. If you live in the NE or similar climate, you will appreciate the plastic. My BR Viper caps were a nice shade of rust after one winter.


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