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ChiefDan 03-09-2012 11:05 AM

Tire upgrades on Stock 17
 
Trying to find good tires/sizes while still using the stock wheels.

Anybody put a 265/70/17 duratrac on the stock 17?

BFG AT KO 265/70/17?

Goodyear MT/R 255/75/17?

Pics?

kjeeper10 03-09-2012 11:17 AM

Tires for stock 17's are as much as $100 more per tire than 15's

That is why so many of these guys go 15"

Have you considered upgraded wheels too?

CorvusCorax 03-09-2012 11:22 AM

I have 265/70r17 Goodyear Wrangler Territories...I get some rubbing on a hard right turn.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...DSC_2804wp.jpg

4fit 03-09-2012 11:26 AM

If you are dead set on keeping the stock wheels, I would go 285/70s with wheel spacers. That is a 33x11 tire. If you didn't want to run spacers, you could go with a 255/80, which is 33x10. But you have very limited choices in that size and I don't personally care for the pizza cutter look.

But, like kjeeper said, it may very well be cheaper to get new wheels AND tires in a 15" or possibly even 16".

Here's is a thread regarding largest tire size on stock JK. Might be useful to you.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f27/lar...er-142837.html

ChiefDan 03-09-2012 11:27 AM

I have looked at the huge number of 15" options here - specifically, "the combo", but I'm not yet sold on a 15" - that's alot of rubber. Not a fan of the total blackout most of those 15s have, nor do i want all chrome.

Trying to see some options with the stock 17s

4fit 03-09-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefDan (Post 2121294)
Trying to see some options with the stock 17s

Here is rics1997's rig on 285/70 MTR-Ks with 1.5" spacers. Like I mentioned earlier, this is exactly the size I would go with if I was doing stock wheels.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...6-30-23_10.jpg

Here is an example of 285/70s without spacers. I can pretty much guarantee you that you would experience rubbing with this setup and would need to do some airdam trimming and adding a washer or two to the steering stops.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...on9601/285.jpg

Here is a 255/80. Pizza cutters. Not a fan.
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/IMG_9799.jpg

Jurhip 03-09-2012 11:40 AM

4fit,
Do you have a picture down the sideline of your Wrangler. I am in the same boat as the OP but I do not want my tires to stick out past the plumb line of the fender.

(I would consider 16"'s)

JKU12 03-09-2012 11:43 AM

Subscribed. Great info.

4fit 03-09-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurhip (Post 2121317)
4fit,
Do you have a picture down the sideline of your Wrangler. I am in the same boat as the OP but I do not want my tires to stick out past the plumb line of the fender.

(I would consider 16"'s)

None of those are my Jeeps. Was just posting them to help the OP out.

But, here is a shot of mine down the side. This is 285/75/16s, which spec out the same as 285/70/17s. They are on 16x8.5 wheels with 4.5" backspacing. Stock wheels with spacers and 285/70s would be about .25" further under the fender.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...1/IMAG0322.jpg

Btwo 03-09-2012 12:03 PM

Subscribed also. I've doing this same analysis. Also trying to figure witch lift I want...

tabber02 03-09-2012 12:06 PM

Chief, if you're not a fan of the options 15's give you, look at the 16's... you're still going to save money in the long run. there are tons of options for 16" wheels, plenty that have a blend of machined aluminum and black looks if you want some contrast.

bottom line, you're still going to spend about the same amount 5 17" tires are going to cost... why not upgrade the wheels to something that YOU like. and down the road, tires savings will be cheaper... leaving you more money for other things.

have you checked out discount tire direct? stupid question... but, man there are TONs of wheel choices. :thumb:

-bob :cool:

ChiefDan 03-09-2012 12:14 PM

Thanks for the pics -

Rics1997 is nice - but for the purposes of this thread, I'm trying to avoid spacers.

Taking the second pic as an example, on a 265/70 the sidewall height would be .55" less (and thus, overall height 1.1" less), and the width would be .79" less than the pictured 285/70. Using the awesome spray pattern as a reference, looks like that stays under the fenders.

Would that .79" less width prevent the rub that the pictured, and how does that less height and width really look?

(Note - 265/70 is .23" less sidewall (.45" less overall) and .39" more in section width than the stock 255/75 - not too far off, but many more available tires in 265/70)

4fit 03-09-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabber02
Chief, if you're not a fan of the options 15's give you, look at the 16's... you're still going to save money in the long run. there are tons of options for 16" wheels, plenty that have a blend of machined aluminum and black looks if you want some contrast.

bottom line, you're still going to spend about the same amount 5 17" tires are going to cost... why not upgrade the wheels to something that YOU like. and down the road, tires savings will be cheaper... leaving you more money for other things.

have you checked out discount tire direct? stupid question... but, man there are TONs of wheel choices. :thumb:

-bob :cool:

^^^^^ Absolutely correct .

4fit 03-09-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefDan (Post 2121431)
Thanks for the pics -

Rics1997 is nice - but for the purposes of this thread, I'm trying to avoid spacers.

Taking the second pic as an example, on a 265/70 the sidewall height would be .55" less (and thus, overall height 1.1" less), and the width would be .79" less than the pictured 285/70. Using the awesome spray pattern as a reference, looks like that stays under the fenders.

Would that .79" less width prevent the rub that the pictured, and how does that less height and width really look?

(Note - 265/70 is .23" less sidewall (.45" less overall) and .39" more in section width than the stock 255/75 - not too far off, but many more available tires in 265/70)

Personally, there is no way I would go with something like the 265/70. Actually going down in diameter for just a smidge more width. Just doesn't make sense to me.

That being said, the 265/70 should bolt right up and give you no issues at all.

ChiefDan 03-09-2012 12:51 PM

In order to cover comparisons:

Discount tire (local, not direct) prices on DuraTrac (before any discounts):

33x12.5x15 = $184
285/75/16 = $224
285/70/17 = $259

15" option, built out: "The combo" - MB 72 15x8
33x12.5x15 x5 and wheels = $1724
MINUS the possibility of selling the originals tires and wheels ($?) to get some money back
($1754 for me - I would go with the Chaos 5)

16" option, built out: Vision Warrior 16x8 wheels (an example $95 wheel)
285/75/16 x 5 and wheels = $1962
MINUS the possibility of selling the originals tires and wheels ($?) to get some money back

17" option 1:Stock Wheels, 1.5" spacers ($200)
285/70/17 x 5 and spacers = $1765

17" option 2: Stock Wheels, no spacers
265/70/17 x 5 = $1335

So you can see that the initial outlay for a 17" tire on the stock wheel is the lowest.
Only 17" option 2 stays under the fenders, if that is important to you.

With a 15" combo you can come out less overall if you sell the OE, and 16" might be a wash, depending on how much wheel you buy and how much you get for your OE.

tabber02 03-09-2012 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=ChiefDan;2121578]In order to cover comparisons:

Discount tire (local, not direct) [QUOTE]

i'd call DTD or PM DTD... there are all sorts of incentives that you're not accounting for. i just picked up a set of 5 Level 8 ZXs ($135 on the website) and 5 Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 315/75 r16 for $1999 on my doorstep. i called them back the next day and bought the tire guarantee.. figured what the hell with all the money i saved. total cost: $2120

that's mounted, balanced, with new TPMS, gorilla nuts, and waiting to get dirty in the woods someplace! :punk:

trust me it's worth calling. tell them you're a forum member too. that's another $50 off your price.

-bob

flyinion 03-09-2012 01:08 PM

If you're looking to keep the stock size, the only thing I've found that comes in that size that looks decent at all to me (from DT at least) is the BFG M/T KM (not the newer KM2) if you like the M/T look and/or need that kind of tire. Or the Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 which is an A/T tire. The Hankook's are a really good price, and they keep tempting me at only $179 a tire (local pricing, DTD shows 169).

I started off looking at new tires myself, then quickly decided I should do the 285/75/16's and then figured out I really need to do my lift first since I do off-road a bit and I don't want to be "chained to the street" for a few months while I save up lift money after doing wheels/tires first.

Jurhip 03-09-2012 01:15 PM

flyinion - your stock jeep is pretty capable off-road. No need to chain it to the street until your desired wheels/tires come in.

jimmysmith 03-09-2012 01:30 PM

Make sure you do some shopping around, my local discount tire store quoted me $2200 for 5 pro comp m/t extremes, while 4 wheel parts sold me the same tires for $1400, there was a buy 3 get one free incentive at both stores. Crazy to me that they could be that far apart on the price even from a place (discount tires) that told me he would match anyone's price. I didn't even bother to go back there since it seemed to me the price should have been closer in the first place... Sorry for the rant its my medication I swear

4fit 03-09-2012 01:31 PM

Definitely call DTD and check with them. I scored 5 16x8.5 wheels, 5 285/75/16 tires, Black Gorilla lug kit, non-TPMS valves, mounted, balanced, and shipped to my door for $1,580.

Remember, DTD gives a $50 discount to forum members who buy 5 tires. Plus, there are some other promotions going on right now, like $60 mail in rebate for the Goodyear Duratrac. Couple that with the $100 MIR on that tire by joining treadlightly.org ($25), and you have quite a substantial savings.

I, and others, are not trying to talk you out of running the stock wheels. If you want to, by all means, do it!

flyinion 03-09-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurhip (Post 2121653)
flyinion - your stock jeep is pretty capable off-road. No need to chain it to the street until your desired wheels/tires come in.

You misunderstood me. I know it's pretty capable even on the 17" SR-A's that come with the Sport S package. I've definitely put them to the test. What I was saying is once you go to a 33" tire like the 285/75/16, I've read it pretty much chains you to the street if you're not lifted because you'll be rubbing up in the fenders if you go offroad. Now, if that's not actually correct then I'll be very happy but everything I've read made it sound like I'd need a lift or bumpstop mods (might as well get a lift then) to prevent fender well rubbing when off-road Especially if you're disco'd.

4fit 03-09-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyinion (Post 2121722)
You misunderstood me. I know it's pretty capable even on the 17" SR-A's that come with the Sport S package. I've definitely put them to the test. What I was saying is once you go to a 33" tire like the 285/75/16, I've read it pretty much chains you to the street if you're not lifted because you'll be rubbing up in the fenders if you go offroad. Now, if that's not actually correct then I'll be very happy but everything I've read made it sound like I'd need a lift or bumpstop mods (might as well get a lift then) to prevent fender well rubbing when off-road Especially if you're disco'd.

Just don't disco or get into too many very flexy situations and you should be alright. But I definitely understand your logic.:thumb:

JKU12 03-09-2012 02:10 PM

Would getting the TF leveling kit eliminate 285/70 from rubbing on stock wheels?

4fit 03-09-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKU12 (Post 2121857)
Would getting the TF leveling kit eliminate 285/70 from rubbing on stock wheels?

No. It's not the height that causes the rubbing. It is primarily the width. The 285 series tire is almost 1.25" wider than the stock 255s. This causes rubbing issues on items such as the air dam and front sway bar. Fixes for this are wheel spacers or washers on the steering stops. The backspacing on the stock wheels is just too large (6.25") for a much wider tire than stock.

mgola27 03-09-2012 03:06 PM

Chief--

I'm in the same boat as you. While I'd love "The Combo" as I actually like the black wheels, it simply involves other things that I wish to avoid: rubbing without lift, sticking out passed the fenders, higher initial cost without selling the stockers/hassle selling the stockers.

I have the Goodyear Wrangler SR-As and want to go to an all-terrain pattern. As this is a daily driver (my wife's), we want to stay away from a M/T, but we'd still like something a bit more aggressive.

I ran the numbers much as you did, and while it does come out cheaper (or very comparable) to go to a 15"/16" wheel and tire, the added cost and/or hassle of the spacers/lift/trimming/washers, etc. wasn't worth it to me in the end.

No offense to others have done it, though. It looks great, and if the Jeep were a purely weekend/fun vehicle, I'd be more inclined to go down that road. But since it's my wife's daily driver, the last thing I want to do is make a change that causes unnecessary hassles and cost.

That said, I've decided (for now, at least) to go with the Firestone Destination A/T, which comes in stock 255/75-R17 size. I've had the Firestone Wilderness A/T on a truck in the past and was very happy with it all around, so I'm hopeful to have a similar experience with the Destination.

Cost per Tire Rack (DTD doesn't carry Firestones) is actually less than the SR-As for the P-rated version. If you want the C-rated (with presumably stronger sidewalls, but less weight capacity) it is less than $20 difference.

In comparing the reviews on the site against the originals, GY Silent Armor (which comes in the same size) and DuraTracs (265/70-17), the Firestones scored out best at an 8.73, with the Silent Armors at 8.53 and the DuraTracs at 8.49.

Incidentally, the SR-As score at 6.08.

This is using data from those that posted on Tire Rack's website, so it's anecdotal at best, but it is what it is.

That's where I'm at right now. We'll be replacing the SR-As in the summer so I still have time to be convinced that "The Combo" will be a better choice for us.

Good luck, and keep us posted on your choice.

ChiefDan 03-09-2012 03:43 PM

Thanks for all the input so far.

Thanks for looking out for me guys, I do realize there are many discounts and rebates - I intentionally said before discounts on my comparisons - I thought adding -$60 rebate, -$100 TL rebate, -$100 Boeing Discount, etc. would just make it messy. Each set I listed should be effected the same by discounts, so I left it alone I went with local because they were cheaper than direct.

I had not looked at any of the "stones", and the ones you mention do look nice - but I can't bring myself to trust the stones. Had some fail on me in the backwoods, and another set suffer tread separation at only 9K miles (they were original equipment), so sorry to say, I'm not going there again. Glad your experience was different.

That said, I've had BFG TA KOs on many vehicles, and they have been totally bullet proof. Really, if they made a 255/75/17 I probably would not have even looked for any other option.

Right now I'm leaning toward the GY MT/R K in 255/75/17 for my stock rim/no-mod option, but I'd like to see a pic of that, as well as hear from people who own them about noise, wear, etc.

BFG MT KM would fit as well (Stock Rubi Tires), and I've been looking for a local set of take offs, but no dice.

I'd rather do an AT than a MT, but the two ATs i like are not available in 255/75/17.

Wish the BFG AT KO and Duratrac came in 255/75/17.

I don't hate the stock rims, most 15" combos I've seen are alot of rubber for me, and 16" seems to be the most expensive option short of new 17" wheels.

harumph.

I guess it would help if i could find a wheel i really like.

ChiefDan 03-09-2012 03:52 PM

This MIGHT be 255/75 - it is running the stock rim and does not seem to protrude from the fender:
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/07...lerKevlar2.jpg

Anyone have an opinion on what size that is?

4fit 03-09-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefDan (Post 2122141)
This MIGHT be 255/75 - it is running the stock rim and does not seem to protrude from the fender:
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/07...lerKevlar2.jpg

Anyone have an opinion on what size that is?

Not sure on the size, but it definitely has spacers on it. Can tell by looking at the rear tire. Nothing wrong with that. The wider track definitely helps make the Jeep look better.

mgola27 03-09-2012 03:58 PM

I understand about the Firestones. Everyone either loves or hates a particular brand of tire.

That said, I've seen 265/70-17 DuraTracs on the stock wheels, and they seem to spec out almost identical to the 255/70s in the real world. Published dimensions for the SR-As is 32.1" while the DTs spec-out at 31.7".

While going smaller seems against everything Jeep, this difference is primarily negligible from what I can tell (.4") yet gets you into the DuraTrac.

I've thought about going that route myself, but the DT is almost $50 per tire which is considerable for me. Especially since we are mostly on pavement.

Thanks.

real4x4 03-09-2012 04:13 PM

Does Quadratec sell wheel spacers?


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