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calrain07 03-12-2012 07:54 AM

New battery
 
Alright, I've done a good amount of research and I've come to the conclusion that the new optimas are iffy, and the platinum 4's are pretty awesome. But the thing is, I don't know if I want to spend 200+ dollars on a battery that would run my lights, start up, and basic electronics (radio, winch, other). I'm running a simple battery from autozone now but I just got my winch and I want to get a new battery (eventually a new alternator). I only plan on winching maybe once every three months because I never have enough time to be out wheeling all the time. What are some good recommendations? Would a simple diehard gold or similar work just fine?

SinfulDragon 03-12-2012 08:09 AM

I'm running a Duralast battery in my Wrangler, has like a 7 year warranty on it. I bought it for my car when it had a big sound system in it, 900CCA. Figured if it could run the amp that I had then it can run a winch when I need it... and I was right.

Mudweiser 03-12-2012 08:55 AM

Ive heard something to the extent of Optimas being iffy now. Been runnin them for almost 20 years now. Red tops in my wife's cars and trucks, dual yellows in my trucks, Jeep has always had yellows. And my boats i run blues. Ive only had one fail in all those years, other then the standard 8-10 year replacement. My truck runs 4 subs, aux lightning, 12k winch, and whatever other doo dads i stick on it with no problem. My current 06 wrangler i have a yellow in. What is the low down with the problems or whatever people are having with them now? Local battery warehouse i deal with says theres no new issues with them, and their main seller is the Odyssey batteries. Just curious as to whats going on with them.

s3nt3nc3d 03-12-2012 09:03 AM

Most complaints are premature failures within a year or two...I'm assuming no longer holding a charge.

calrain07 03-12-2012 11:30 AM

Yeah that's what I see around too. Most of the information that says optima is good is from like 2009. I had a red top in my silverado before but I think I got it before they got bought out. I'm figuring that a good battery with >650 cranking amps would be fine to keep the winch going with the car on

3025826 03-12-2012 11:43 AM

Diehard platinums the way to go! I just put one in my jeep and holy crap it will start that baby up now, not to mention the amount of power it can put out over extended periods of time! Go to the website, watch the videos, and then go buy one. They are just as good if not better than $400 odesseys. You won't regret it.

SirGeorgeKillian 03-12-2012 11:53 AM

I recommend a tender no matter what you use. I have one mounted under the hood, just plug an extension cord up and let it go....

Badass_TJ 03-12-2012 12:00 PM

Im going to buy my diehard platinum this week when i get my bonus check from work...:D....ive done tons of research and that seems to be the way to go.. im running a red top optima right now, its good for starting the jeep, but the winch kills it as soon as i hit the button..the optima is all so dated 2007, so its probably due.....

G-Rocc 03-12-2012 12:38 PM

I will offer you some advice, from my own failure of course. One thing that you really don't want to fail when you need it us a winch. I killed my battery two times this winter when trying to winch an idiot out of the snow on a trail he never should have been on with bald tires. It was the first time having to use my winch and I thought my standard battery would be fine but it wasn't. Needless to say pony up the cash on those necessary upgrades. I just put in the P4 and it is awesome. I have no complaints now. Don't get in the same situation I was in.

calrain07 03-12-2012 06:14 PM

I think I've decided on dishing out the money and buying the platinum 4. Had like 4 people tell me today that its better to spend the money once. Thanks everybody, been great help!

Rubicondon53 03-12-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3025826
Diehard platinums the way to go! I just put one in my jeep and holy crap it will start that baby up now, not to mention the amount of power it can put out over extended periods of time! Go to the website, watch the videos, and then go buy one. They are just as good if not better than $400 odesseys. You won't regret it.

Odesseys and the platinum are the same battery, just different labels ..

Jerry Bransford 03-12-2012 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubicondon53 (Post 2133598)
Odesseys and the platinum are the same battery, just different labels ..

Odyssey does indeed manufacture the Diehard Platinum but they aren't really exactly the same battery. Internally they are essentially the same but there are external differences like the Odyssey uses more expensive solid-brass aux battery posts. The Odysseys are also about 25% more expensive than their Diehard Platinum cousins are. :)

Rubicondon53 03-13-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Odyssey does indeed manufacture the Diehard Platinum but they aren't really exactly the same battery. Internally they are essentially the same but there are external differences like the Odyssey uses more expensive solid-brass aux battery posts. The Odysseys are also about 25% more expensive than their Diehard Platinum cousins are. :)

OK,, essentially the same ,,, 25% more for brass ? I'll keep the change for a couple of fill ups.. The battery is, very heavy.. What do you know about the new tech lighter batteries that have hit the market recently? I've only heard hearsay about them.. Cost + benefits = happy jeep.. ;)

crallscars 03-13-2012 11:58 AM

Is there a way to add a second battery on the drivers side and run 2 batteries?

NHrubicon 03-13-2012 12:10 PM

You shouldn't be running the winch off the battery-that will kill anything. Get a manual throttle control, put the jeep in neutral and hold the brakes down-rev the engine up to 1500 rpm or more and then run the winch. You'll know right off if you need more rpm-the winch won't pull hard. That's how I was taught at jeep jamborees to do it and I have the same battery I put in my rubicon since 2005! I think it's the Autozone Duralast yellow. Before I had the hand throttle put in I was constantly draining the battery and stalling the engine out.

Jerry Bransford 03-13-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NHrubicon (Post 2135343)
You shouldn't be running the winch off the battery-that will kill anything. Get a manual throttle control, put the jeep in neutral and hold the brakes down-rev the engine up to 1500 rpm or more and then run the winch. You'll know right off if you need more rpm-the winch won't pull hard. That's how I was taught at jeep jamborees to do it and I have the same battery I put in my rubicon since 2005! I think it's the Autozone Duralast yellow. Before I had the hand throttle put in I was constantly draining the battery and stalling the engine out.

The winch will pull just as hard on just the battery alone, the battery has more than enough power to run the winch by itself for more time than many would suspect. Not to mention the alternator can't provide even a significant percentage of the power consumed by a winch with a heavy load on it. The vast majority of power is provided by the battery and to a much lesser amount the alternator since a winch can easily draw over 400 amps and the OE alternator can barely put out more than 100 amps total.

I've had to winch my TJ off the trail three times on battery power alone when various failures (ignition coil, steering box, fuel pump) prevented me from starting the engine. And after fixing things so I could start the engine, I was able to do so on the battery by itself... no jump start was required.

Not that I recommend running the winch on just the battery, I absolutely don't. I'm just saying that a good heavy duty battery by itself will run a winch for far longer than many would suspect. The AH (amp-hour) rating of a battery will confirm that.

Border Dave 03-13-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NHrubicon (Post 2135343)
You shouldn't be running the winch off the battery-that will kill anything. Get a manual throttle control, put the jeep in neutral and hold the brakes down-rev the engine up to 1500 rpm or more and then run the winch.

The stock jeep alternator produces a lot less than 100 amps at 1500 rpm. Many winches draw about 450 amps under load. You're not powering your winch off your alternator.

Razorcat 03-13-2012 02:49 PM

Well, this thread is right on time. I was looking at buying a new battery, probably this weekend. I was debating between the optima and the diehard platinum. I've read several not so flattering reviews on the optimas, so was already leaning toward the diehard. This nudges me further in that direction.

CoyoteOn2 03-13-2012 03:34 PM

:whistling: Well then ~~~ Here's your FINAL PUSH for the P4:appl:

Razorcat 03-13-2012 03:38 PM

Well, I can procrastinate at times......This forum needs a "swift kick in the butt" smily to motivate. :thumb:

fan of fanboys 03-13-2012 03:39 PM

I use a Interstate Mega-Tron II. I actually ran it in a 1994 Bronco for about 18 months then moved over to my TJ. Barely fits in, had to go in at a sharp angle. But so far 0 issues. But I don't run anything extra on it.

Jerry Bransford 03-13-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Razorcat (Post 2135874)
Well, this thread is right on time. I was looking at buying a new battery, probably this weekend. I was debating between the optima and the diehard platinum. I've read several not so flattering reviews on the optimas, so was already leaning toward the diehard. This nudges me further in that direction.

With three prematurely failed Optimas, two Yellow Tops and one Blue Top, never again will I buy another Optima battery. The Group 34 Diehard Platinum even weighs 10 lbs. more than the Group 34 Optima, the Diehard Platinum gives more battery per square inch. Go for the Diehard Platinum.

Diehard Platinum on the left, Optima on the right.

calrain07 03-13-2012 06:51 PM

Alright so pretty much 80% sure I'm going to get that P4. Anybody think that I should just keep running my stock battery(had it since 2009) until it dies out or should I just go ahead and switch over now?

Jerry Bransford 03-13-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by calrain07 (Post 2136685)
Anybody think that I should just keep running my stock battery(had it since 2009) until it dies out or should I just go ahead and switch over now?

I'd keep running it until it craps out, no sense replacing a good battery. I purchased a new Diehard Platinum for my previous TJ two months before it was stolen and it sucks to be back with a no-name conventional battery that came in my replacement TJ. But until my present battery gives out, and please lord make that happen soon, I'll stay with what's in there... unless I win the lottery. :p

Border Dave 03-14-2012 11:33 AM

I've had great luck with my red top Optima, but the manufacture date is 06/06 and it says made in Aurora, CO on it. The factory battery in my wife's Chevy Trailblazer died a year ago, but knowing that the Optimas are now Mexican junk, I went to Sears and bought the Diehard Platinum. We couldn't be happier with it. It has a MUCH better warranty than any Optima. :)

kwn306 03-14-2012 12:03 PM

Never had an issue with a Optima, installed one in the John Deere desiel tractor 7 years ago, it sits in the barn most of the time, we haven't had any snow this year and I went to start it this past Saturday and it fired right up, last time it was started before that was last August.

SirGeorgeKillian 03-15-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kwn306
Never had an issue with a Optima, installed one in the John Deere desiel tractor 7 years ago, it sits in the barn most of the time, we haven't had any snow this year and I went to start it this past Saturday and it fired right up, last time it was started before that was last August.

Apples and oranges. An American made Optima was a good battery, the ones you can buy now, not so much. Of course your old American made one is a good battery. Go buy a new one that is made in me he co and see how well it holds up for you...

3025826 03-16-2012 03:36 PM

Can't emphasize the diehard platinum enough. So happy with mine, running 3 different audio amplifiers one which used to dim the crap out of my lights when volume turned up, even w a capacitor! Now they do not dim at all, and I've barely seen my voltage drop! I've used a winch with my jeep off, battery voltage didn't even hardly drop and it started right up. Diehard platinum = thumbs ups

TexasT 03-16-2012 04:58 PM

I will never again have anything but a Platinum. Worth every dollar and the warranty is awesome (though I've never had to use it).

dcmtex 03-30-2012 10:33 AM

Well, I wish I had seen this before buying the optima but since I didn't and for the price I paid I will have to ride the horse I climbed on. Wish me luck :)


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