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nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 09:46 AM

Need New Tires - But which Ones...?
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yesterday I was in an offroad park with my "new" 35x12.5x15 BFG AT tires. 50% of the ground was ice and the other 50% was deep mud. on the ice they worked good. but in the mud they were very bad.
after airing them down to 14 psi they were better, but with that low pressure the tires jumped down from my wheels twice. both times it was the passengers side front tire both times it was with activated front locker during a hard turn to the left.

now i want better tires for mud. but my problem is that i use my TJ also as my daily driver. thatīs why my new tires must be good on the road when it rains and on compressed snow.

is there a tire thatīs good in mud and not much worse than my BFG ATs on the road?

iīve read that the cooper STT would be good for me. but i donīt know anybody with these tires.

is there a website with good tire reviews?

thanks in advance for your help.

nicolas-eric :wavey:

mrbigjeep 01-06-2008 02:07 PM

try some TSL radials :D

they'd be great offroad and not terrible onroad.

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 02:21 PM

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haha. what a nice all-over-the-year-on-road-tire...

btw. all interco tires arenīt street legal in europe.

JCS05Rubi 01-06-2008 04:54 PM

I have been looking at Dick Cepek DC IIs, Truxus MTs, and Pro comp Xtreme MT when its time for new tires. I wanted something quite on road, thats sipped for rain/snow, lighter than my MT/Rs, with a 35,000+ wear rating.

4point 01-06-2008 05:02 PM

I thought I saw in another one of your tire threads you had one picked out. :confused:

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 05:23 PM

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dick cepec and trxus are not street legal. they have no "E" sign on the sidewall, like the DOT sign in the US.


i lost my best customer. he moved to another town and now he has an own department that does my things...
thatīs why i need a tire thatīs good off the road and still ok on the road.
a 2nd set of tires with simex or silverstones that i wanted before is no more in my budget.


lost 01-06-2008 05:38 PM

bfg m/t? it wont be a simex in the mud but it should be better than the bfg a/t.
and you could sipe them to get better onroad/rain performance:

(thats what i plan to do to my procomp m/t's)

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 05:57 PM

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another problem here in europe with out annoying rules and laws.
our cars are tested every 2nd year by the government. and if a tire look nor like original weīll have to replace it.
thatīs why i thought about the cooper STT.
they look aggressive like a MT but like they have a better on road handling.

4point 01-06-2008 06:01 PM

I know a bunch of people who run that Cooper and love it, its a good tire.

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 06:07 PM

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thatīs the same i heard. but i never talked to somebody who has this tires. only to the friends of friends...

whatīs about the BFG MT KM2? it looks a bit more for on-road use than the old one.

how is the goodyear MT/R on the road.

letīs do it on an other way. iīll tell you all MTs in 35x12.5x15 that are street-legal in my country:

Cooper STT
Goodyear MT/R
Baya Claw
Yokohama MT
Mastercraft Courser MT

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 06:10 PM

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btw. thatīs what i did twice with my aired down ATs (only down to 14 psi)...

4point 01-06-2008 06:15 PM

I've heard the Good-Year MT has a real soft compound/bad tire wear. The BFG KM2 will be my next tire when they release the new sizes. But I've not run either one and I figure the pro's vs con's will be out on the KM2 by the time I'm ready to buy my next set of tires.

nicolas-eric 01-06-2008 06:25 PM

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do you know when the bfg mt km2 are released in 35x12.5x15?

4point 01-06-2008 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 179401)
do you know when the bfg mt km2 are released in 35x12.5x15?

Late this year?

JCS05Rubi 01-06-2008 10:01 PM

My rubi has the MT/Rs. Here in MD/PA/WV we dont usually run into rocks. Mostly mud. My Jeep also sees a lot of pavement. I wouldnt recomend MT/Rs to anyone. I heard they are good for rocks. There arent HORRIBLE in mud, but they are no where near the best tire out there. On road isnt incredibly horrible, but again, there are better tires out there for that too. The dealership I got my Jeep from was replacing the MT/Rs with Cooper STTs when the MT/Rs cupped or the customers complained.

nicolas-eric 01-07-2008 01:33 PM

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how are the cooper STTs compared with the BFG MTs?

on the road? and off the road (especially in mud)?

i drove a TJ with BFG MTs last saturday in the mud and it was ok for me. but the guy said they are not very good on the road when it rains.


mr4x4 01-07-2008 01:57 PM

every one I know that run the cooper hates them they chunk out really bad out here the guy at maximum off road runs them and cant keep them balanced because they chunk out so bad
I have another friend running them on his fj cruiser and the same thing they are chunking out and he doesnt get into the heavy rock

mrbigjeep 01-07-2008 02:03 PM

i think the bfg mt's do great. they do good offroad and do good in mud until it gets real thick and soupy. if you don't have too many rocks or sharp tree branches poking out you shouldn't have a problem with sidewall. they do ok in the rain until you lock the brakes up. the jeep also jerks when you hit standing water but it does that with any tire.

1BLKJP 01-07-2008 04:08 PM

I know I sound biased, but I still think that for your complete overall use the Mickey Thompson Baja Claw will work for you. I've seen the Coopers run and they do pretty well. The MT/R's I feel don't have a good enough side wall and will bulge too much at lower pressure's causing them to loose a bead like you showed.

The BFG MT I just don't like because of the same issues I described above. I know a few guys running KM2's now, but haven't seen them in person so I don't have a good enough view of them yet to make an opinion. But they do look pretty good for what they are for.

nicolas-eric 01-07-2008 04:28 PM

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thanks for your answer.

the baja claw isnīt streel legal here.

on this websites you can see all 35x12.5x15 tires that are street legal in europe. i can only buy one of these tires... click me

1BLKJP 01-07-2008 04:33 PM

Sorry man, just saw your earlier posts stating that you could purchase the claws. Out of all of those on the list I like the Creepy Crawlers as the best all around tire.

nicolas-eric 01-07-2008 04:37 PM

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i drove the creepy crawlers on a friends landrover. they are great.
but their speed index says theyīre onla for up to 120 kph / 75 mph.
all the others are for up to 160 kph / 100 mph.

1BLKJP 01-07-2008 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 179702)
i drove the creepy crawlers on a friends landrover. they are great.
but their speed index says theyīre onla for up to 120 kph / 75 mph.
all the others are for up to 160 kph / 100 mph.

Well slow down then. :D

lost 01-07-2008 07:42 PM

wow, that sucks.

another vote for slowing down and getting the creepys:D

and theres no max speed listed on the US site:

nicolas-eric 01-07-2008 07:54 PM

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on their european site they say that the max speed is 120 kph.

at the maxxis only have 2 of 5 points on the street.
the STTs and BFG MTs have 4 of 5 points on the road.

my TJ is my daily driver...i need an acceptable on road handling.

nicolas-eric 01-11-2008 09:40 PM

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some days ago i decided to buy a set of new cooper STTs. but my dealer needs 2-3 weeks to deliver them to me.

now a guy (who didnīt know that MTs with the M&S symbol arenīt real winter tires) offers me his 2 month and only 600 mls old wrangler MT/Rs for the half pice of the STTs.

that would be a great deal. but before i have another question.

how are the MT/Rs on the road? and when it rains? my TJ is a DD and the on road handling is a bit important for me. i know that it will not handle like a street tire, but i need an acceptable on road handling.


4point 01-11-2008 09:46 PM

Nico out here the Power Co trucks run MT/R's all year long. They do OK for a mud tire, they just wear out fast due to the softer compound. The rock crawler guy do not like them because the side walls are too soft.

JCS05Rubi 01-13-2008 08:11 AM

The MT/Rs wear fast on road, and they cupp easily. They do good when its dry, like any other aggressive tread tire, but when it rains and snows they are horrible. They arent sipped.

nycom96 01-13-2008 08:22 AM

I love my Mickey Thompson MTZ radials on road and off.

rketr 01-13-2008 09:29 AM

Been running BFG MT's for a few years now and love 'em.

However I think my next set will be Toyo Open Country's. A buddy has a set and wheels the living crap outta 'em. He gets stupid crazy on some of the rocks we encounter and has rolled his rig like 8 times last year. The tires have never popped a bead, have no chunks out of them, and still have 80% tread despite also being used as a DD.

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