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PA ARCTIC 03-22-2012 06:20 AM

jeep roast. hush money?
 
found on another forum.....

Did Jeep Offer An Owner 'Hush Money' To Keep Quiet About Fire Risk?

kbwwolf 03-22-2012 07:20 AM

If I were a large corporation with no conscience, fixated solely on profits, I'd offer hush money.

Or have the blabbermouth killed. :)

Matador 03-22-2012 07:24 AM

maybe that's the secret attempt behind the death wobbles. Just botched murder attempts.

sneck 03-22-2012 07:25 AM

while I understand that early JK's had an issue with the transmission overheating and causing the JK to go into limp mode, I can't understand how an overheating tranny will cause the jeep to ignite. I might, the fires in the videos seem to be starting on the passenger side, which I would think indicates its the electric panel going up in flames. I wonder how many jeeps that burnt up were running aftermarket electronics?

Also, hes a sucker. I woulda taken the hush money and demanded they gimme the cash for some PR60s!

Cosmic Charlie 03-22-2012 08:09 AM

Standby cuz there are rumors swirling around here about a possible press release regarding these fires that could come as early as tomorrow...

...but you didn't hear that from me.

Casotakar1229 03-22-2012 08:21 AM

anything is possible...it doesn't shock me the least bit.

ESP 03-22-2012 08:25 AM

I was gonna comment on this thread but alas the money I got a few weeks ago is preventing me. Love my new bumper though!

termite 03-22-2012 08:58 AM

I would have scoffed at them and then demanded that they give me life time service for the next Jeep that I buy, along with the cost of a new jeep and extra money.

MTH 03-22-2012 09:08 AM

Confidentiality provisions are a common feature in many settlement agreements.

They help mitigate against the risk of a company being perceived as offering "low hanging fruit" to potential fraudsters--i.e., "Gee, I can light my jeep on fire and get a check for more than it was worth to begin with. Sweet."

If Chrysler believed a lawsuit was possible and its exposure was significant, then there's nothing necessarily improper about offering to resolve it ahead of time for a small premium and confidentiality. Of course, I'm sure they advised him that he should get a lawyer to look over the proposed settlement before signing it . . . right? And if it was in fact part of a wide-spread practice to fool consumers and the public, then other issues arise.

My two cents.

JIMBOX 03-22-2012 09:20 AM

:whistling: Any 07 thru 11 JK/JKU/w auto can overheat--


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Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2167972)
while I understand that early JK's had an issue with the transmission overheating and causing the JK to go into limp mode, I can't understand how an overheating tranny will cause the jeep to ignite. I might, the fires in the videos seem to be starting on the passenger side, which I would think indicates its the electric panel going up in flames. I wonder how many jeeps that burnt up were running aftermarket electronics?

Also, hes a sucker. I woulda taken the hush money and demanded they gimme the cash for some PR60s!

The 07 thru 08s hadda recall J30-I think to reflash ECU for "LIMP MODE" sequence, if you caughtit in time-

The fires start when the ATF-4 in the tranny temp reach's (Flash Point-374) and bubbles outta the dip stick, to fall on the passenger side exhaust manifold and -----BAM-- "FIRE"

Always bring your barbeque sauce when you're on the beach and using 4hi--if you AIN'T GOTTA AUX COOLER-

_or towing up hills !

:dance::rofl: JIMBO

ESP 03-22-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 2168317)
Always bring your barbeque sauce when you're on the beach and using 4hi--if you AIN'T GOTTA AUX COOLER-

witty

sneck 03-22-2012 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JIMBOX (Post 2168317)
:whistling: Any 07 thru 11 JK/JKU/w auto can overheat--




The 07 thru 08s hadda recall J30-I think to reflash ECU for "LIMP MODE" sequence, if you caughtit in time-

The fires start when the ATF-4 in the tranny temp reach's (Flash Point-374) and bubbles outta the dip stick, to fall on the passenger side exhaust manifold and -----BAM-- "FIRE"

Always bring your barbeque sauce when you're on the beach and using 4hi--if you AIN'T GOTTA AUX COOLER-

_or towing up hills !

:dance::rofl: JIMBO


so wait, what is catching fire? is the tranny coolant igniting when it hits the exhaust? that sounds crazy and counter-intuitive, I would have assumed the only flammable liquid was the gasoline

stans1stjeep 03-22-2012 09:43 AM

So I'm reading this thread, and I go look at my 2012. There is an aux cooler out in front of the a/c condenser. Am I correct, that this is a trans cooler? It does not appear that there is an in-tank trans cooler in the radiator, is this also correct? I have a 2012 JKUS w/ auto trans.

JandS 03-22-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PA ARCTIC (Post 2167845)

Jalopnik should be on every Jeep owner's list of sites to visit. They are true car guys over there.


Quote:

Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2167972)
while I understand that early JK's had an issue with the transmission overheating and causing the JK to go into limp mode, I can't understand how an overheating tranny will cause the jeep to ignite. I might, the fires in the videos seem to be starting on the passenger side, which I would think indicates its the electric panel going up in flames. I wonder how many jeeps that burnt up were running aftermarket electronics?

Also, hes a sucker. I woulda taken the hush money and demanded they gimme the cash for some PR60s!



It is somewhat common for manufacturers to do this sort of thing in the hopes of keeping product defects out of the media spotlight where they can easily be blown out of proportion. IN regards to the problem cited, it seems that synthetic fluid, which generally has a much higher flash point than regular fluid, would solve this problem rather easily.

JIMBOX 03-22-2012 09:48 AM

:whistling: NOPE-it doesn't ignite, but


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Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2168346)
so wait, what is catching fire? is the tranny coolant igniting when it hits the exhaust? that sounds crazy and counter-intuitive, I would have assumed the only flammable liquid was the gasoline

It burns and produces a vapor that ignites/explodes and produces "HEAT" which causes averything in the engine compt to burn !!

:dance::rofl: JIMBO

mijku 03-22-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sneck

so wait, what is catching fire? is the tranny coolant igniting when it hits the exhaust? that sounds crazy and counter-intuitive, I would have assumed the only flammable liquid was the gasoline

Look at a bottle of window washer fluid. It say flamable right on it (or at least it does for the anti-freeze stuff we get up here). Oil burns pretty well too.

rics1997 03-22-2012 10:20 AM

It seemed from the first article on this. This fire was electrical from what the owner thought. Don't know this for sure. There was a thread on this a while back but not really that many mentioned. One of the fires a while back was some idiot driving in 4h through tall dry grass in California and igniting it and his jeep. Another one listed was someone that got stuck and grass and mud got up into the exhaust/tranny area and they were revving it hard.

I don't really see these as exactly the same issue other then the tranny getting too hot in extreme conditions and that Chrysler should recall all auto pre-2012 and add a tranny cooler. That would solve most of these. And any pre-2012 auto owner should do this mod anyways. I added one, not waiting on Chrysler to do it. I like my Jeep too much to wait for a corporation to do the right thing. They added a cooler in 2012

kenb1023 03-22-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rics1997 (Post 2168493)
It seemed from the first article on this. This fire was electrical from what the owner thought. Don't know this for sure. There was a thread on this a while back but not really that many mentioned. One of the fires a while back was some idiot driving in 4h through tall dry grass in California and igniting it and his jeep. Another one listed was someone that got stuck and grass and mud got up into the exhaust/tranny area and they were revving it hard.

I don't really see these as exactly the same issue other then the tranny getting too hot in extreme conditions and that Chrysler should recall all auto pre-2012 and add a tranny cooler. That would solve most of these. And any pre-2012 auto owner should do this mod anyways. I added one, not waiting on Chrysler to do it. I like my Jeep too much to wait for a corporation to do the right thing. They added a cooler in 2012

What was involved in adding the cooler? Do you have any pics or a thread on it? I have an 07 Auto.

Mr. Sinister 03-22-2012 06:08 PM

I saw a TJ in their video collection, did they have the same issue with the auto trans?

Barrie 03-22-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JandS (Post 2168392)
Jalopnik should be on every Jeep owner's list of sites to visit. They are true car guys over there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JandS (Post 2168392)





It is somewhat common for manufacturers to do this sort of thing in the hopes of keeping product defects out of the media spotlight where they can easily be blown out of proportion. IN regards to the problem cited, it seems that synthetic fluid, which generally has a much higher flash point than regular fluid, would solve this problem rather easily.






As opposed to us who are not?

Drakea94 03-22-2012 06:15 PM

:popcorn:

greenjeepgurl87 03-22-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matador
maybe that's the secret attempt behind the death wobbles. Just botched murder attempts.

Hahahahaahha!!!

Jurhip 03-22-2012 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneck (Post 2168346)
so wait, what is catching fire? is the tranny coolant igniting when it hits the exhaust? that sounds crazy and counter-intuitive, I would have assumed the only flammable liquid was the gasoline

There is no tranny coolant. It is the transmission fluid, which is an specialty oil. There are lots of fluids in a car that will burn. In fact, I'd wager there are way more fluids that will burn than won't.


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