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Sblanck 03-22-2012 01:00 PM

If you had all the cash
 
Would you do MML/BL with SYE
Did a 2" BB for now but in a couple of years thinking of 3-4" lift
I don't want to deal with a TC drop and have been reading about SYE's
Is there anything bad about any of this?

Thanks

Sean

Dextreme 03-22-2012 02:37 PM

I don't think I really understand your question. So I wil try to translate what I think you are trying to ask....

You have a 2" BB now that you are happy with, but you want to start planning for for 3-4" lift in the future by correctly doing things in the right order? And while in the planning process, you don't want to spend money needlessly on parts that are not going to part of the future plan. Correct?

Imped 03-22-2012 02:54 PM

Yes

KidRock171 03-22-2012 02:56 PM

If you have the money. A BB+ a BL/MML is a great start. You can fit 33's with proper bumpstops and back spacing. That will last a good 4 years. Then keep the BL take out BB add 4 inch lift and CV shaft. Assuming you have the right axles. Your good to go for 35" tires. (brake upgrades are optional)

KidRock171 03-22-2012 02:58 PM

And between the BB and 4" lift you can save up and buy a sick tummy tuck. I recommend the UCF super skinny or the savvy under armor. With that right there you can run 85-90% of jhonson valley rubicon or Moab trails.

jrussblues 03-22-2012 04:24 PM

Kid rock just explained how I built my jeep, less the 35's. Those are a couple of months out.

Dextreme 03-22-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jrussblues (Post 2169676)
Kid rock just explained how I built my jeep, less the 35's. Those are a couple of months out.

When you had a BB and BL combo, did you also have to have longer shocks? I know a 2" BB will work with the oem shocks, but not sure if longer shocks are need if also adding a 1-1.25" BL.

KidRock171 03-22-2012 05:17 PM

BL affects nothing with your suspension. So no. You don't need new shocks.

jrussblues 03-22-2012 06:32 PM

I would recommend new shocks for increased travel and comfort over stock, however.

Dextreme 03-22-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2169817)
BL affects nothing with your suspension. So no. You don't need new shocks.

You are right, I was thinking the upper rears attached to the body. I had forgotten.

DevilDogDoc 03-22-2012 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=KidRock171;2169413]If you have the money. A BB+ a BL/MML is a great start. You can fit 33's with proper bumpstops and back spacing. That will last a good 4 years. Then keep the BL take out BB add 4 inch lift and CV shaft. Assuming you have the right axles. Your good to go for 35" tires. (brake upgrades are optional)[/QUOTE]

Only if you don't care about stopping...

DevilDogDoc 03-22-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2169420)
And between the BB and 4" lift you can save up and buy a sick tummy tuck. I recommend the UCF super skinny or the savvy under armor. With that right there you can run 85-90% of jhonson valley rubicon or Moab trails.

Never been to JV have ya? Guy who designed the UA your touting up there told me once 35's and lockers were the admission to JV, but alot of trails are 40's and better......

Imped 03-22-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2169420)
And between the BB and 4" lift you can save up and buy a sick tummy tuck. I recommend the UCF super skinny or the savvy under armor. With that right there you can run 85-90% of jhonson valley rubicon or Moab trails.

You REALLY overestimate the abilities of a stock TJ.

KidRock171 03-22-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc

Never been to JV have ya? Guy who designed the UA your touting up there told me once 35's and lockers were the admission to JV, but alot of trails are 40's and better......

No I havnt. I was generalizing. But 35" tires will get you most anywhere op will want to go. With the exclusion of the most extreme trails. That's my fault for the misinformation.

KidRock171 03-22-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped

You REALLY overestimate the abilities of a stock TJ.

Perhaps. But a full 4" lift (including new arms) 35's armor and lockers is far from a stock TJ.

DevilDogDoc 03-23-2012 12:57 AM

You never brought up lockers. This is JV, that is Savvy and that's what you run there. http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/a...un/mama081.jpg

Sblanck 03-23-2012 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2169413)
Assuming you have the right axles.

Which are the correct axles?
I have an X model Jeep so I am going to assume I have base line axles.
I am really leaning towards 3" with 33's
So many options and ways of getting the same results.
One more year and its paid off so then I can start loading it up with mods or at least the wife says I can :dance:

Sean

Imped 03-23-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2171306)
Perhaps. But a full 4" lift (including new arms) 35's armor and lockers is far from a stock TJ.

And beef steering that won't pretzel on you, not just any arms and track bars, belly clearance (ie, no stock belly pan) and armor in all the right places, and the knowledge to set it all up.

KidRock171 03-23-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sblanck

Which are the correct axles?
I have an X model Jeep so I am going to assume I have base line axles.
I am really leaning towards 3" with 33's
So many options and ways of getting the same results.
One more year and its paid off so then I can start loading it up with mods or at least the wife says I can :dance:

Sean

For 35" D44 would be ideal on a wrangler. A super 35 would be OK...but some wouldn't trust it. Not sure which axles yours has. But definitely if you want to add a BL and go for 33's now. Do some studying into how BUMPstops work and how to measure them properly. Get yourself some quality shocks to fit your BB better. That's an ideal set up till you pay it off. Then if you want to go bigger you can piece together all the parts you need. Steering brakes lift control arms trac bars brake line extensions and undercarriage protection.

Sblanck 03-23-2012 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=KidRock171;2172705]Get yourself some quality shocks to fit your BB better. QUOTE]

I installed the Rubicon Express 2" BB and it came with shocks.
So OME shocks would be better? I assume they would no one that I have ever read says anything negative about OME.

I want to do the BL to eliminate the TC drop and possibly do a MML

I suppose my initial question was how much of the above will need to come off when I switch to 3" or 4" lift?

Would the MML and BL stay or need to go?
I know the shocks and spacers would need to go
And it seems that getting an SYE and CV would be a good way to go
Not even sure about a tummy tuck, did some reading on that and it seems very difficult to do.

I suppose since I said all the cash, replacing the front and rear axles with stronger ones would also be good.

KidRock171 03-23-2012 02:17 PM

Ok. The body lift won't help you avoid a TC drop. The MML will. So do both at the same time. They both will work ontop of pretty much any lift you want. OME shocks would be better but they aren't your only option. Put the SYE on whenever and that can stay through the whole build also. I believe you can wait to get a CV shaft till you go to a larger lift. IF you decide you want bigger tires and want better axles ford 8.8 or D44. Look into those. I highly recommend you look into lockers.

The hard thing about a tummy tuck is most people have to buy everything for it when they want to do 1. If you already have an SYE, adjustable control arms, a body lift and new motor mounts. All you need is the skid plate.

geiman 03-23-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KidRock171 (Post 2173370)
Ok. The body lift won't help you avoid a TC drop. The MML will. So do both at the same time. They both will work ontop of pretty much any lift you want. OME shocks would be better but they aren't your only option. Put the SYE on whenever and that can stay through the whole build also. I believe you can wait to get a CV shaft till you go to a larger lift. IF you decide you want bigger tires and want better axles ford 8.8 or D44. Look into those. I highly recommend you look into lockers.

The hard thing about a tummy tuck is most people have to buy everything for it when they want to do 1. If you already have an SYE, adjustable control arms, a body lift and new motor mounts. All you need is the skid plate.

When you install the SYE, you then need to get a CV shaft. Otherwise you would have no way of reconnecting the stock drive shaft.

KidRock171 03-23-2012 04:53 PM

Ta-Da. I think that covers everything.

Since that's how it works. Then you should get the sye/CV when you go up in the lift. Getting ahead of ourselves here. BL and MML on top of your 2" BB will fit 33" tires for now. You'll need to adjust your bumpstops though.


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