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sebastian 03-27-2012 01:28 PM

first time wheeling!!!
 
im going wheeling for the 1st time @ roush creek PA!!!! i heard that taking the sway bar links out is better for articulating?... does it hurt anything by taking them out?

Rebel_Ryders_Offroad 03-27-2012 02:02 PM

Nope that's why the make disconnect kits. Just remember to hook them back up before hitting the road. Sway bars just keep the body from swaying on the road

Xpress 03-27-2012 04:40 PM

Remove your track bars as well, otherwise you won't be flexing much.

If all you're doing is offroading through trails then by all means unbolt the swaybar linkages. You'll love that extra flex. :thumb:

sebastian 03-27-2012 05:53 PM

even the rear track bar? im towing it to the wheeling place so...
what keeps the axles in place then?

Rebel_Ryders_Offroad 03-27-2012 06:00 PM

Track bar is almost useless on a yj due to the fact the leaf springs holding the axle in alignment on the road I recommend one but I know guys who run without then on the road with no problems

yjJEEPyj 03-27-2012 06:32 PM

True story! I know lots of guys (including me) that run with No track bars front or back. I use my YJ as a Daily driver. I do have my sway bar tho. Just have quick disconnects on.

chopprr 03-27-2012 06:37 PM

I also run my yj with out them. Not a dd. But I do drive on the interstate w no problems.

Xpress 03-27-2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian (Post 2188851)
even the rear track bar?

Yes.

Quote:

what keeps the axles in place then?
These amazing pieces of metal called "Leaf Springs". The leafs are MORE than adequate enough to locate the axle in position perfectly fine on their own. The track bar only causes the flex to bind. Here's why:

Coil sprung vehicles MANDATE the need for a track bar, because the coils can flex in every direction possible, side to side, front to back, diagonal, etc, so the use of track bars is required to keep the axle from moving side to side as well as from moving forwards and backwards. The coils won't bind up because they can bend in any direction.

Leaf springs however can only flex up and town, as well as twist a little bit, but they can't actually move side to side very well (not like coils)- they center the axle on their own without any issues. The leafs have holes in them that pins on the axle perches sit inside of, and in combination with the U-bolts, that axle isn't going to move forwards, backwards, left, or right- not without a MASSIVE force causing them to (such as dropping the Jeep sideways off of a cliff from 500 feet up, and landing sideways, breaking the centering pins and u-bolts).

The addition of the track bar causes the leaf springs to bind up, because they can't shimmy side to side like coil springs can, which causes the track bar to move in a perfectly circular arch and thus binding up the leaf springs, limiting flex entirely and can actually cause components to break (eventually). Remove them entirely, the YJ is the ONLY vehicle that has EVER had a track bar setup on a leaf sprung vehicle. They were put in place to shut up the media and other various agencies who were complaining about the CJ being "Easy to roll over." although no tests have ever been done to prove that.

I DD my YJ with no track bars. I've noticed very little improvement or drawbacks to removing them on the roads. The results offroad are immediately apparent however, no more teetering on the simplest of obstacles.

FWIW, a Track bar and a Traction bar are 2 entirely different things. Track bars limit flex, while Traction bars do little to limit flex- leaf springs of course.

sebastian 03-27-2012 09:01 PM

thanx... now i just gotta finish welding the rear frame repair pieces and the rear crossmember and illbe on my way to roush creek

Rebel_Ryders_Offroad 03-27-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xpress

Yes.

These amazing pieces of metal called "Leaf Springs". The leafs are MORE than adequate enough to locate the axle in position perfectly fine on their own. The track bar only causes the flex to bind. Here's why:

Coil sprung vehicles MANDATE the need for a track bar, because the coils can flex in every direction possible, side to side, front to back, diagonal, etc, so the use of track bars is required to keep the axle from moving side to side as well as from moving forwards and backwards. The coils won't bind up because they can bend in any direction.

Leaf springs however can only flex up and town, as well as twist a little bit, but they can't actually move side to side very well (not like coils)- they center the axle on their own without any issues. The leafs have holes in them that pins on the axle perches sit inside of, and in combination with the U-bolts, that axle isn't going to move forwards, backwards, left, or right- not without a MASSIVE force causing them to (such as dropping the Jeep sideways off of a cliff from 500 feet up, and landing sideways, breaking the centering pins and u-bolts).

The addition of the track bar causes the leaf springs to bind up, because they can't shimmy side to side like coil springs can, which causes the track bar to move in a perfectly circular arch and thus binding up the leaf springs, limiting flex entirely and can actually cause components to break (eventually). Remove them entirely, the YJ is the ONLY vehicle that has EVER had a track bar setup on a leaf sprung vehicle. They were put in place to shut up the media and other various agencies who were complaining about the CJ being "Easy to roll over." although no tests have ever been done to prove that.

I DD my YJ with no track bars. I've noticed very little improvement or drawbacks to removing them on the roads. The results offroad are immediately apparent however, no more teetering on the simplest of obstacles.

FWIW, a Track bar and a Traction bar are 2 entirely different things. Track bars limit flex, while Traction bars do little to limit flex- leaf springs of course.

Yah what he said lol

Master4th 03-28-2012 07:34 AM

Traction bars where designed to stop leaf spring twist. When you take off from a dead stop with lots of power the leaf springs will actually twist, this translats to a loss of power at take off. The Traction bar stops the axle from twisting the leaf springs.

I've seen a leaf twist on a Ford F250 with 35s.

Here is an example of what the leaf does under take off power.
http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/r...ectedLeafs.jpg
As the previous poster stated. A "Track Bar" is not the same as a " Traction Bar". I just wanted to highlight the differences.

Xpress 03-28-2012 12:53 PM

^Precisely, traction bars do little to prevent leaf spring flex, while track bars prohibit it greatly. VERY popular on SOA conversions.

Although that diagram is backwards...

XtremeJeep 03-28-2012 08:07 PM

Anybody ride around with no sway bars and track bar? curious how scary the turns are lol

cd84 03-28-2012 08:50 PM

Ive never had any on mine and really the turns aren't bad at all. Granted you're not driving a sportscar just as long as you are sensible when driving its not scary whatsoever


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