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Jurhip 03-28-2012 07:44 PM

Production Skill
 
I know we all like our Jeeps, but Chrysler is pretty sub-par when it comes to production line planning/management.

2012 BMW X3: Custom Order is Better Than Netflix

I think this has VOTS beat. And beat bad.

Jurhip 03-28-2012 07:46 PM

And speaking of Euro delivery.

Imagine someone from Europe or Australia wanting a US delivered Jeep. They get here expecting delivery and Jeep would be like, "Oh shnat, your Jeep isn't actually even on the production line. Good day!"

We should expect and get more.

daggo66 03-28-2012 07:51 PM

Too many people are caught up with this whole ordering thing. It really didn't get that wacky here until the 2012 guys started that thread. Just go to a dealer and buy your Jeep or place your order. Do you really need to know its status every ten minutes?

79Scout12Jeep 03-28-2012 07:52 PM

That is absolutely amazing...What a concept and it's not about knowing where it is every 10 mins. It's about having that custom video of your specific car that you spent $30+K being built. Just and example of a company going the extra mile for their customers...If anything I am jealous

dreg 03-28-2012 08:10 PM

Every ten minutes? No. Some kind of idea of wtf is happening? Please.
But I'm in Canada... My dealer has nothing to tell me and the 1-800 number doesn't have much to tell me either.

Jurhip 03-28-2012 08:17 PM

daggo66's, I understand where you are coming from, but Jeeps complete lack of knowledge is a sign of poor manufacturing control. Lack of manufacturing control can lead to lack of quality, or the allowance of quality drift. That is something nobody should accept. And if I am not mistaken, Chrysler isn't exactly tops in the quality department.

killerbee812 03-28-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2193810)
too many people are caught up with this whole ordering thing. It really didn't get that wacky here until the 2012 guys started that thread. Just go to a dealer and buy your jeep or place your order. Do you really need to know its status every ten minutes?

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team38tim 03-28-2012 08:21 PM

Daggo, I don't think we are caught up in the whole ordering a jeep, I for one would just like to where it is in the build process as that is what VOTS was intended for right?? If it is never updated then they should just do away with it, my .02 cents. My jeep currently is saying it is in sheduled for production but I just received an email stating that it is being shipped and my dealer confirmed it has been shipped and will arrive in a week. I was happy to hear it was on the way but the VOTS has got to go if it is not accurate.

killerbee812 03-28-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jurhip (Post 2193929)
daggo66's, I understand where you are coming from, but Jeeps complete lack of knowledge is a sign of poor manufacturing control. Lack of manufacturing control can lead to lack of quality, or the allowance of quality drift. That is something nobody should accept. And if I am not mistaken, Chrysler isn't exactly tops in the quality department.

Poor manufacturing control? How is this a sign of poor manufacturing control? You have no idea what is going on in that plant. Maybe Chrysler is better and they just dont want outsiders knowing. Have you ever even been in a car or truck plant?

And as far as quality Chrysler is 100 times better then it was in the 80's and 90's. If you want to win a award or make a truck of the year it only takes money. What ever company wants to pay for more advertising. Word of mouth or experience is the best IMO.

Jurhip 03-28-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by killerbee812 (Post 2193959)
Poor manufacturing control? How is this a sign of poor manufacturing control? You have no idea what is going on in that plant. Maybe Chrysler is better and they just dont want outsiders knowing. Have you ever even been in a car or truck plant?

And as far as quality Chrysler is 100 times better then it was in the 80's and 90's. If you want to win a award or make a truck of the year it only takes money. What ever company wants to pay for more advertising. Word of mouth or experiance is the best IMO.

Yeah, they are miles better than in the 80's or 90's. Doesn't make them tops.
(The Jeep plant, which I have been in, is actually quite good btw). And I am not saying BMW is tops - their quality sucks.

I should have worded my comment better and said - It gives the illusion of lack of manufacturing control. How could one not think that when one calls Jeep and they do not know the status of your order, only to have it delivered a week later.

One would think I just killed someone first child. Nothing personal, but Chrysler has some things they can improve on.

79Scout12Jeep 03-28-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by killerbee812 (Post 2193959)
Poor manufacturing control? How is this a sign of poor manufacturing control? You have no idea what is going on in that plant. Maybe Chrysler is better and they just dont want outsiders knowing. Have you ever even been in a car or truck plant?

And as far as quality Chrysler is 100 times better then it was in the 80's and 90's. If you want to win a award or make a truck of the year it only takes money. What ever company wants to pay for more advertising. Word of mouth or experience is the best IMO.

I think you all are missing the bigger picture here...It's not about quality or knowing where your vehicle is. It's about having that video showing the building of the car that you ordered for your history and enjoyment...:hide:

3JKs1H1 03-28-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2193810)
too many people are caught up with this whole ordering thing. It really didn't get that wacky here until the 2012 guys started that thread. Just go to a dealer and buy your jeep or place your order. Do you really need to know its status every ten minutes?

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Tannman 03-28-2012 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2193810)
Too many people are caught up with this whole ordering thing. It really didn't get that wacky here until the 2012 guys started that thread. Just go to a dealer and buy your Jeep or place your order. Do you really need to know its status every ten minutes?

I agree. :whistling:

daggo66 03-28-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by team38tim (Post 2193949)
Daggo, I don't think we are caught up in the whole ordering a jeep, I for one would just like to where it is in the build process as that is what VOTS was intended for right?? If it is never updated then they should just do away with it, my .02 cents. My jeep currently is saying it is in sheduled for production but I just received an email stating that it is being shipped and my dealer confirmed it has been shipped and will arrive in a week. I was happy to hear it was on the way but the VOTS has got to go if it is not accurate.


Why exactly do you need to know where it is in the build process?

basecamper 03-28-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194075)
Why exactly do you need to know where it is in the build process?

It's part of the enjoyment of having a jeep made to your specs! Why exactly do you care?

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by basecamper (Post 2194167)
It's part of the enjoyment of having a jeep made to your specs! Why exactly do you care?

Do you really think that it's being custom made to your specs? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:12 PM

They don't stop and build your Jeep. It gets built when they make the Jeeps with those options. If they are building Sports, they don't stop and make your Rubicon. It gets made when they switch to Rubicons. :rolleyes:

jsmithtx 03-28-2012 09:15 PM

Wow, this has gotten out of hand. Order it and have dealer call you when it's in. Whats the big deal?

basecamper 03-28-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194179)
Do you really think that it's being custom made to your specs? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Let's see I choose the options color etc....yep built to my specs :thumb:

Just don't get why it bothers some folks so much when someone wants to track their special order. If you don't care so be it but if someone else does I just don't get why it's an issue

Jurhip 03-28-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194186)
They don't stop and build your Jeep. It gets built when they make the Jeeps with those options. If they are building Sports, they don't stop and make your Rubicon. It gets made when they switch to Rubicons. :rolleyes:

I think most people understand that. Nobody is asking for their ordered Jeeps to take precedence. We are asking that VOTS be accurate as it is offered as a "benefit".

I think the problem is the production/manufacturing "line" isn't talking with the "VOTS" people. Not too hard to happen in a large company. I am also not sure VOTS is even run by Jeep. When I called, the guy kept asking if my Wrangler was 4WD. I wouldn't be surprised if VOTS was run out of India - or maybe Italy :)

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by basecamper (Post 2194240)
Let's see I choose the options color etc....yep built to my specs :thumb:

Just don't get why it bothers some folks so much when someone wants to track their special order. If you don't care so be it but if someone else does I just don't get why it's an issue

You are just choosing options withina an allowable range, no different than what the dealer does. If you were custom ordering you would be going outside of those parameters. You're fooling yourself if you think there is anything more custom then simply picking one with those options off the lot.

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by basecamper (Post 2194240)
Let's see I choose the options color etc....yep built to my specs :thumb:

Just don't get why it bothers some folks so much when someone wants to track their special order. If you don't care so be it but if someone else does I just don't get why it's an issue

A "special order" would be a different combination than what would otherwise come off the line. A Sport with a D44 front would be a special order.

Jurhip 03-28-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194264)
You are just choosing options withina an allowable range, no different than what the dealer does. If you were custom ordering you would be going outside of those parameters. You're fooling yourself if you think there is anything more custom then simply picking one with those options off the lot.

I think people only order when they can't get something off the lot. We couldn't. Looked for 3 months over 1000 miles. Nothing, so we ordered one to our specification. I don't compromise on new vehicles, since I tend to keep them for around 10 years. Saving a little on a lot model isn't worth it to me over the long run.

basecamper 03-28-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194272)
A "special order" would be a different combination than what would otherwise come off the line. A Sport with a D44 front would be a special order.

Well daggo66 mine was special to me regardless of what your or for that matter anyone else's definition of special or custom might be and again why on earth do you care if someone else enjoys ordering and tracking their Jeep :nonono:

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jurhip (Post 2194295)
I think people only order when they can't get something off the lot. We couldn't. Looked for 3 months over 1000 miles. Nothing, so we ordered one to our specification. I don't compromise on new vehicles, since I tend to keep them for around 10 years. Saving a little on a lot model isn't worth it to me over the long run.

There's absolutely noithing wrong with that. However thinking it is special or custom is just not true. I found my Jeep on the lot exactly the way I wanted it. Had I ordered one the same way, would it now be custom? No.

killerbee812 03-28-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2194272)
A "special order" would be a different combination than what would otherwise come off the line. A Sport with a D44 front would be a special order.

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I agree there are only a certain number of combinations, and you’re ordering one combination. Yours is just like thousands of others, and the only difference is you “special ordered it”. You make your Jeep special once you take delivery and start adding and modifying.

daggo66 03-28-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by basecamper (Post 2194302)
Well daggo66 mine was special to me regardless of what your or for that matter anyone else's definition of special or custom might be and again why on earth do you care if someone else enjoys ordering and tracking their Jeep :nonono:

I don't until people keep posting that they hit refresh twice today and haven't seen any movement or they create thos stupid "waiting room" threads. I'm not directing it at you personally, just in general. There's only a handfull of guys from that original thread that have bothered to stick around.

Your Jeep will be custom when you start the mods. Right now, its stock.

79Scout12Jeep 03-28-2012 09:55 PM

:hijacked:

:include:

Ballandchain 03-28-2012 10:07 PM

Here is something better. Buy your Jeep...Take picture. Install first mod....take picture. Install second mod.....take picture.....Install third mod...take picture. Ect, ect. ect...... By the time you finish, you can buy a scrapbook and start your trip down memory lane.....

FreezerJeep 03-28-2012 10:58 PM

I think the reason people want to know where their order is, is because that's what makes us humans and above a monkey. People need to know. From having a tracking number when they order something online, to wanting to know weir their vehicle is, to going and looking when you build a new house.

I understand daggo saying that some people, not all, are a little crazy checking everyday. And that it's not a custom vehicle.

But at the same time there is no custom vehicle when ordered through a company. Even with all the aftermarket parts put on, it's not custom. The only way to have a truly custom vehicle is if you build something from the frame up. Order a car from Ferrari or Bugatti (sp?) you are still picking from their set options.

So in reality, to 99.9999% of the population, ordering to the specs you want from a manufacturer is the closest that we will get to a custom/special order vehicle.

And to most people that is really cool and makes them happy. It's like people who bash others about the mods they do, it's stupid! They like, that's great!

Just let them be happy, and theres no reason to rain on their parade. This world needs more people to be happy and in better moods, and if this makes it happen, why bash them? If you don't think so, move on to the next thread.

Bryce


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