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chimera555 04-08-2012 03:34 AM

frame repair?
 
So I have the body off my TJ and I'm looking to patch the rot where the upper control arm bracket mounts to the frame.

I'm also considering welding up the holes in the side of the frame. Other than to let mud/water inside the frame I dont see what good they are. Any one with experience have any thoughts/advice they could share?

Also I have read of a few guys putting drain holes in the bottom of the frame. I'm considering that as well.

chimera555 04-09-2012 10:42 PM

no one here ever patched a frame before?

NHEric 04-10-2012 01:52 PM

Sure. I have been patching mine for a few years now. It sucks. Get it looking great - just to find another friggin rust hole the next year. I don't even drive it in the winter. I picked up another clean frame for short money. I'll patch mine again for this summer, but will do a frame swap this winter. I love my TJ, but this rotting frame shit is pissing me off.

kfdjason7620 04-10-2012 01:55 PM

Some of the oblong holes on the sides of the frame are tiedown points for r hooks that roll back drivers use

BAMFjeepin719 04-11-2012 11:13 AM

wanna see some frame repair check out my thread on jeepforum. "wasnt me, my 2000 tj weekend warrior" its in the process but going steady. i'll try and upload some pics

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/attac...barebones2.jpg

BAMFjeepin719 04-11-2012 11:15 AM

this weekend we will be cutting my frame in half and welding/pieceing the 00 front half to a 03 rear half. then reassembly time. http://http://www.jeepforum.com/foru...rior-frame.jpg

chimera555 04-11-2012 07:32 PM

Thank you for the feed back guys. I'm really thinking I'm going to cover over all those holes an pop some drain holes in the bottom.

BAMFjeepin719 Im excited to see some pics I will definitely check that out good luck on your frame! I'm thinking ill put some pics or video on here about my frame.

chimera555 04-20-2012 11:43 PM

i got one frame rail repaired in the back i didn't get good befor pics.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0519.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0521.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0520.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0525.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0524.jpghttp://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0526.jpghttp://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...p/CAM_0528.jpg

I did away with all thoes little holes that let dirt and water inside the frame. I plan on doing away with the holes forward of this section and adding some 1 inch drain holes in the bottem of the frame so the water and mud that get in from the ends of the rails has a place to drain out.

Ibuildembig 04-20-2012 11:47 PM

Nice work! Definately do the weldup on the holes you dont need and drill some small ones in the bottom side.....that's what I did to my YJ one and I think it will be fine for a long time.

1990wrangler 04-21-2012 05:48 AM

Looks great you near ny ? Lol I only got 2 holes under my bumpstops

chimera555 04-24-2012 07:42 PM

Thanks guys yeah I'm near NY in the rutland area. I'm definitely going to weld up the holes and add some drain holes on the bottom. I'm very disappointing with these frames it looks like planned obsolescence to me.

1990wrangler 04-24-2012 10:48 PM

Damn your all the way up there lol all well ill ask one of my fellow jeepers or possibly get a new frame since I plan on giving it to my son in 14 yrs when he gets his permit

zmotorsports 04-25-2012 11:48 AM

Looking good. Keep the pics coming on your progress.

Mike.

Snow king 04-28-2012 01:16 PM

I'm in Poultney right next to granville ny where abouts near Rutland are you and have you ever been to metowee mud offroad park iv killed my 95 there twice it's great

chimera555 04-29-2012 12:15 AM

I wish I could find a new frame for this thing i would weld up the side holes and put drains in the bottom right off the bat a frame is something that you shouldn't ever have to worry about rotting out before its even old enough to be considered a classic...Just down right pathetic.


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Originally Posted by Snow king (Post 2312429)
I'm in Poultney right next to granville ny where abouts near Rutland are you and have you ever been to metowee mud offroad park iv killed my 95 there twice it's great

I'm in west rutland I have heard of metowee but have never been I would like to go someday tho!

Snow king 04-29-2012 12:28 AM

I'll send u a link there having an event here soon

whatitism 04-29-2012 02:45 PM

This is just the old construction guy in me talkiing. If you have factory holes in the frame, they would theoretically serve two purposes. One would be so the frame could be moved during vehicle manufacture and another would be for the frame being hollow to allow air to circulate to dry moisture out. Obviously the air circulation thing may have partially worked but did not prevent rust out. My thinking was that while you had the frame open for repair you could spray some type of anti rust material to the inside of the frame. After you make your repair what would it hurt to spray the expanding foam insulation into the remaining holes versus welding them shut. If some rust stop spray was applied to the inside of the frame and filled with foam , you eliminate the air /moisture factors from the inside out rust problem. Just a thought.

Snow king 04-29-2012 02:52 PM

Little off topic but I've seen can foam and bondo applied to a frame to make it look good ie fixing the rusted out section

chimera555 04-30-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatitism (Post 2315529)
This is just the old construction guy in me talkiing. If you have factory holes in the frame, they would theoretically serve two purposes. One would be so the frame could be moved during vehicle manufacture and another would be for the frame being hollow to allow air to circulate to dry moisture out. Obviously the air circulation thing may have partially worked but did not prevent rust out. My thinking was that while you had the frame open for repair you could spray some type of anti rust material to the inside of the frame. After you make your repair what would it hurt to spray the expanding foam insulation into the remaining holes versus welding them shut. If some rust stop spray was applied to the inside of the frame and filled with foam , you eliminate the air /moisture factors from the inside out rust problem. Just a thought.

I have seriously considered the spray foam idea!!! :) I plan on putting some good size drain holes in the bottom of the frame after getting it all welded up. I also considered the rust encapsulate r but the scale on the inside of the frame is quite bad I dont think it would help in the areas I cant get to.

Thanks for the link i checked it out it I have a friend who goes every now an again if he goes I might tag along.

The weather has been pretty good again the past few days so ill b getting back to work on it

zmotorsports 05-01-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chimera555 (Post 2320671)
I have seriously considered the spray foam idea!!! :) I plan on putting some good size drain holes in the bottom of the frame after getting it all welded up. I also considered the rust encapsulate r but the scale on the inside of the frame is quite bad I dont think it would help in the areas I cant get to.

Thanks for the link i checked it out it I have a friend who goes every now an again if he goes I might tag along.

The weather has been pretty good again the past few days so ill b getting back to work on it

Rather than the spray in foam have you considered 3-M Rust Fighter I. I used this quite a lot when I was doing street rod/musclecar work. They make a 36" wand that attached to the gun and allows you to get into those small holes in the frame and the wand sprays in a 360 degree pattern (it is actually adjustable to spray anywhere from 90 to 360 degrees) so it coats the entire interior of the frame as you drag is outward.

Just another option/suggestion.

Mike.

chimera555 05-02-2012 12:49 AM

I have seen a product like that and it would be perfect for the areas that don't have heavy scale.. i cant get in there all the way to break it all off. and I think I would only put the foam inside a rust free painted frame.. dont see it doing a whole lot of good going over top of the rust scale.

Today i got a good amount done on the other frame rail. i think 2 more good days of work and it will be all patched up an ready to go again.

John Carroll 05-02-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimera555
I have seen a product like that and it would be perfect for the areas that don't have heavy scale.. i cant get in there all the way to break it all off. and I think I would only put the foam inside a rust free painted frame.. dont see it doing a whole lot of good going over top of the rust scale.

Today i got a good amount done on the other frame rail. i think 2 more good days of work and it will be all patched up an ready to go again.

Is their a diff. From a 6 cyl frame and a 4 cyl frame

chimera555 05-03-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carroll (Post 2328881)
Is their a diff. From a 6 cyl frame and a 4 cyl frame

I think its just got different engine mounts.

chimera555 05-04-2012 11:12 PM

If any one is interested to see the video counter part to the above pictures check out my build thread. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/5-...ap-149497.html


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