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tazmann910 02-11-2008 08:55 PM

What to do....
 
So I have been doing a little bit of researching and would like you guys to help me out.

Should I...

1) Swap out the rear D35 with a JK D44 with conversion kit with 4.56 gears and Stock Rubicon locker. Regear the D30 to 4.56 of course.

OR....

2) Get a Super 35 and Super 30 kit with Ox lockers and regear to 4.56??


These two options end up to cost about the same.


This is my daily driver, 33" tires, 3" suspension lift, and 1" body lift.

What you guys think?

Tinker 02-11-2008 08:57 PM

I am a little biased because I went the OX route, my main concern is the width of the JK 44, how will you address that?

My twin OX's get hammered on pretty good and so far so good. mine are with 4.88's behind a 5sp. 4cyl.

AzTJ 02-11-2008 09:04 PM

Why a JK D44? Why not a Ford 8.8... especially if your going to the trouble of welding on new brackets.

tazmann910 02-11-2008 09:04 PM

This is the kind of stuff I want to know...Hey Tinker, do you have any pictures of where you mounted the Locker engagement handles..also how long are your lines? That is one thing the kit I am looking at is missing...the cables.
Go Figure!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinker (Post 192666)
I am a little biased because I went the OX route, my main concern is the width of the JK 44, how will you address that?

My twin OX's get hammered on pretty good and so far so good. mine are with 4.88's behind a 5sp. 4cyl.


Tinker 02-11-2008 09:11 PM

hang on let me dig up some info.

tazmann910 02-11-2008 09:12 PM

This the axle set up i am looking at....

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/jee...ly-p-5641.html

This is the ox super kits I am looking at..

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/yuk...xj-p-7003.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 192674)
Why a JK D44? Why not a Ford 8.8... especially if your going to the trouble of welding on new brackets.


Triple88a 02-11-2008 09:14 PM

2x on the 8.8. Its much cheaper and easier to find.

For track width, you can allways go with different BS rims.

debruins 02-11-2008 09:17 PM

yeah why not get a 8.8 or something thats the right widtha dn will cost less and then get a locker tossed int eh front with the money you save

Tinker 02-11-2008 09:19 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Picture028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Picture027.jpg
check this thread out
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445610
and this one
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516528
My rear cable is a 78" and I think my front wasthat or longer.

4.0l sahara 02-11-2008 09:49 PM

don't use the jk 44 do a 8.8 or somthing.

Joe Dirt 02-11-2008 11:20 PM

4wheel parts has TJ Dana 44's, pick any gear ratio you want, Detroit locker with alloy shafts for $2099 with free shipping.

Triple88a 02-11-2008 11:51 PM

8.8 = $200-300

tazmann910 02-12-2008 08:30 AM

Fair point but look at this.

Ford 8.8 = $250
Gears = $200
Locker = $500
Brackets for Axle = $250
Bearings = $80
Axle Shafts = $200
Calipers = $100
Brake Pads = $60

So far the total here is $1640

Then I have to find someone who is confident enough to weld the brackets on and prep the axle, lets just say that is another $200

so $1840...and the Ford 8.8 is cheaper how???



Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 192766)
8.8 = $200-300


whitebuffalo 02-12-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazmann910 (Post 192819)
Fair point but look at this.

Ford 8.8 = $250
Gears = $200
Locker = $500
Brackets for Axle = $250
Bearings = $80
Axle Shafts = $200
Calipers = $100
Brake Pads = $60

So far the total here is $1640

Then I have to find someone who is confident enough to weld the brackets on and prep the axle, lets just say that is another $200

so $1840...and the Ford 8.8 is cheaper how???

because your numbers are fubar'ed

Ford 8.8 = $250
Gears = $200
Locker = $500
Brackets for Axle = $50 from M.O.R.E.
Bearings = $80
Axle Shafts = [$200dont need shafts. you wont break stock 31 spline shafts unless you're running huge meats or lots of HP
Calipers = $100wont need if you buy a decent axle
Brake Pads = $20 from ghetto zone or get an axle that still has decent brakes.

$1030 for a stronger axle that will be within 1" of your current track width.
not to mention the link you posted said 4.10s, so you're gonna have to regear that as well.

tazmann910 02-12-2008 09:03 AM

Fair enough, the numbers I posted were prices I had found. I was kind of hoping that someone would come back and tell me I was off base. The link I posted did have 4.10, but you can get it in 4.56 or 4.88 as well. Again, I am not confident enough to build me an axle, not saying I could not do it...but who knows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitebuffalo (Post 192820)
because your numbers are fubar'ed

Ford 8.8 = $250
Gears = $200
Locker = $500
Brackets for Axle = $50 from M.O.R.E.
Bearings = $80
Axle Shafts = [$200dont need shafts. you wont break stock 31 spline shafts unless you're running huge meats or lots of HP
Calipers = $100wont need if you buy a decent axle
Brake Pads = $20 from ghetto zone or get an axle that still has decent brakes.

$1030 for a stronger axle that will be within 1" of your current track width.
not to mention the link you posted said 4.10s, so you're gonna have to regear that as well.


Tinker 02-12-2008 09:12 AM

$50 for TJ axle brackets. I will order a set right now.

Tinker 02-12-2008 09:23 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...screenshot.jpg

tazmann910 02-12-2008 10:27 AM

So my numbers were not that far off.:flipoff:

whitebuffalo 02-12-2008 10:38 AM

allright, you got me there. i was thinking yj. why not just cut off your old hardware?

if your heart is set on the 44, just get it. you dont need us to tell you what to get.

whitebuffalo 02-12-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazmann910 (Post 192855)
So my numbers were not that far off.:flipoff:


if $300 isnt much to you, you're richer than me :flipoff:

Scout 02-12-2008 11:00 AM

Don't forget that the bolt pattern is different on the JK's too. 5 on 5.

GrnTJ 02-12-2008 11:30 AM

Why dont you do something like this in the rear:
http://www.performanceoffroadcenter....oducts_id=1139

Also, here is an axle bracket kit for less than 300 bucks:
http://www.performanceoffroadcenter....products_id=90

Id say for 33's dont even worry about the D30. Its pretty tough. If you want to lock it than do the OX and alloy shaft combo up front then.

tazmann910 02-12-2008 11:32 AM

None of my comments are ment to be ugly, I was just reaching out to the community to see what you guys and gals thought. I was just presenting the information that I had found and was looking to see if you guys knew of anything else.

Yes $300 is a big deal to me, but what i like to do is get a full understanding of what it would take to swap out an axle before I just start throwing suggestions around like..."Just go 8.8" well that is all fine and good, but there is alot more than just getting the $300 axle.

Just looking for suggestions guys...yes I would like a D44 more than a 8.8 because a TJ Sport had the option to have a D44 in the rear.

The option of getting a Super 35 kit is also on the table.

1BLKJP 02-12-2008 11:40 AM

I know I have read that people have found ways around the JK electronic locker, but I honestly don't trust it. That locker pulses at a really odd interval and if you put anymore power to it then it shuts down. I know it would be cool as hell to have 32 spline shafts with a wider footprint and 3.5" rear axle tubes, but if you don't know anything about building your own axle then you aren't going to want to get anywhere near one of those JK 44's.

Keep watching ebay. People sell empty TJ D44 housings for about 5 or 600 bucks. Grab one of those and then add in the shafts, gears, locker you want and call it a day. :D

But let's really look at what kind of wheeling you do or want to do? What's tire size do you want to get to and what kinds of terrain are you looking at being in? Because honestly all of that will dictate where you want to put your money. It might turn out that a Super 35/Super 30 might be right up your alley. Superior has D35 C-Clip eliminators for the D35 also.

Tinker 02-12-2008 03:30 PM

I waited a long time and researched even longer, I finally decided to go the super35 and twin OX route for a couple of reasons. 1) cost. I got both lockers and alloy shafts in the rear plus 4.88's all installed for $2200. 2) Availability. It was a rare moment when the cash on hand matched what I wanted to do (lock both ends with selectables). 3) time frame. Jeep was my DD at that time and my jeep was in and out of shop in 36 hours. So for me it was a good deal.

AzTJ 02-12-2008 08:49 PM

Also might want to look for a D44 out from an XJ or MJ...NOT ZJ D44's! Just need the brackets welded on. You might be able to find one of them cheaper than a TJ one too.

I know at DesertFab here in AZ, they get in Rubi housings and build to your likings, might also be something to look into.


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