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Solidnuzz 04-26-2012 12:15 AM

Want a little more power! Could use some help
 
Hey there this is my first post on here and love jeeps. I have been researching all sorts of different things on Wranglers and one thing i came across was turbo chargers. How much do they cost and do they work with the stock 4.0L 6-cyl engine? Some prices and maybe some brands would be a lot of help! thanks:dance:

Dextreme 04-26-2012 12:52 AM

Banks should hopefully be coming out with their Turbo kit soon:

Banks Power | Banks breathes new life into Jeeps

and there is the 505 kit:
http://www.505performance.com/Our_Turbo_System.html

somis 04-26-2012 05:00 AM

all said and done with install it will probably cost anywhere between 2-4k depending on what brand you go with

Solidnuzz 04-26-2012 10:23 PM

Cool thanks

BurlySoldier 04-26-2012 10:36 PM

If I had that kind of money I would just get a 6 cylinder stroker motor and be done.
I am definitely doing this mod when my 4.0 shits the bed. Turbo.. in a truck?? Not to rain on your parade man but is there a reason I have never ever heard of a truck coming from the factory this way( turbocharged)? Just my opinion and .02 but I feel a turbo is just one more headache to overcome and my experience with Turbo's is they are great for rice burners etc but tend to make all of their power up high and in a 4x4 you need it to grunt.

Here is a cool link I found -
Stroker

Here is a company selling a beast of a long block stroked 6 cylinder.
Sick as hell.
Long Block - 505performance

Patrick H 04-26-2012 11:01 PM

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never ever heard of a truck coming from the factory this way( turbocharged)?
Ford Ecoboost?

EMTJEEP 04-26-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BurlySoldier (Post 2307579)
If I had that kind of money I would just get a 6 cylinder stroker motor and be done.
I am definitely doing this mod when my 4.0 shits the bed. Turbo.. in a truck?? Not to rain on your parade man but is there a reason I have never ever heard of a truck coming from the factory this way( turbocharged)?


What about all diesels that come stock with turbos? They come from the factory with turbos.

Plus he would be putting a turbo in a Jeep not a truck.

WaterDR 04-26-2012 11:05 PM

Apparently he never heard of a turbo diesel.

WaterDR 04-26-2012 11:09 PM

The real question that no one really asked is why he needs the power in the first place. what is the purpose? Racing? Towing? Climbing? Highway? The reasons drive the solution.

Just doing a gear swap may get him what he wants. But I agree that a stroker is probably the best solution for most.

I can't imagine trying to resell a blown wrangler.

Will335i 04-26-2012 11:19 PM

How about just about every diesel truck on the market right now. Someone is not every familiar with turbo applications. Oh and that comment about only being for ricers making power up high lets go for a ride in my factory twin turbo BMW straight six that makes 300ft/lbs stock down low. It all depends on how you set it up.

BurlySoldier 04-26-2012 11:30 PM

Well the key word is diesel. Not gasoline. And whats the redline on most diesel engines at? And when you go and put a 230 HP turbo onto a 10-15 year old 4 cylinder with excess of 100,000 miles on it (and it costs you 4 grand to do it) how long until your clutch goes? And your rears? And your engine? And when that goes what do you do? Replace with stock?
I stand by what I said. If I had the money (and only in a Jeep originally equipped with a 4.0) I'd do the stroker long block. Period.

BigTxRdnck 04-27-2012 12:46 AM

Yeah, the new Fords have a twin turbo v-6 getting 20mpg and putting out almost as much power as their big v-8 option(don't remember but think its a 6.2L)

kodiakjoe1978 04-27-2012 09:15 AM

The Ford lightening is a turbo charged truck that is pretty quick. Not sure if the even still make them but I know they have been around for awhile now.

4runner1988 04-27-2012 10:10 AM

fyi. Ford lightning is supercharged. Adding to the list of turbo trucks - Toyota made turbo 4runners from 86 - 87. 22rte motor.

Jonny15 04-27-2012 10:50 AM

Diesels are a whole different animal. They make pretty poor power unless they're turbo charged and dont rev high to begin with, thats why you almost never see a non turbo diesel anymore. The turbos are tuned to the engines and take very little throttle to spool them up.

Turbos can definitely be done on gas powered trucks and jeeps though. Fords ecoboost v6 is a great example of a turbo done right on a truck. Twin turbo v6 that makes more power and torque than their base v8. Turbo's can be done on trucks and jeeps, they just need to be done right. They need to have very little turbo lag to make power at low rpms. Throwing a big turbo on a jeep 4.0 that wasnt made for it would be stupid unless you were only interested in redlining it on the road...but throw a smaller turbo on it thats tuned to the 4.0 and i bet you'd have a powerfull and torquey jeep.

Personally i think superchargers are more useful of trucks and jeeps though because turbo lag is a non issue with superchargers.

Dextreme 04-27-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Solidnuzz (Post 2304091)
Hey there this is my first post on here and love jeeps. I have been researching all sorts of different things on Wranglers and one thing i came across was turbo chargers. How much do they cost and do they work with the stock 4.0L 6-cyl engine? Some prices and maybe some brands would be a lot of help! thanks:dance:

Another option for you to explore:
Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Supercharger

UnlimitedLJ04 04-27-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dextreme (Post 2308799)
Another option for you to explore:
Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Supercharger

that one isn't sold anymore...been gone for years actually.

you can't find it on their current website...
Supercharger Selector

An alternative option is RIPPMODS
www.rippmods.com

WaterDR 04-27-2012 10:06 PM

Can we all agree that there are zillions of turbos on trucks?

I had a mustang with nitrous a few years back, and some dumb ass kids told me nitrous was for ricers.

dml325 04-27-2012 11:50 PM

How much extra power are you looking for? I added an Airaid high performance air intake to mine and it adds about 12-15 HP. They are $339 online and you can install yourself. The harder part is that you won't get the full benefit unless you have the exhaust to move out all of the extra air flowing through the system...more air flowing through the system = more horsepower. Just generally makes your Jeep have a little more pep.

fourty4magjr 04-28-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR (Post 2310937)
Can we all agree that there are zillions of turbos on trucks?

I had a mustang with nitrous a few years back, and some dumb ass kids told me nitrous was for ricers.

Yeah and bet that kid called it NOS too :rofl: man stupid kids!

Back to the turbo though it really isn't worth it when you can get a stroker. It's not worth the damage it causes to the motor especially one that's not made for it.

TJDave 04-28-2012 12:34 AM

Someone already asked the question, but it never was answered by the OP.

Why are you lacking power? Do you have larger than stock tires? A re-gear will get your performance back.

If you need more power for some reason other than trail riding, Stroker, LS1, or Hemi swap.

EMTJEEP 04-28-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fourty4magjr (Post 2311277)
Yeah and bet that kid called it NOS too :rofl: man stupid kids!

Back to the turbo though it really isn't worth it when you can get a stroker. It's not worth the damage it causes to the motor especially one that's not made for it.


Some of us can't do stroker motors due to state laws. :banghead: so we have to look for different alternatives. :whistling:

WaterDR 04-28-2012 11:37 AM

Don't waste your money on an airaid. Unless someone can show me the 12 hp in a dyno before and after that they paid for, I am not convinced.

Besides, even 15 hp is not the kind of thing that gives you sudden passing power.

IndyJeepMan 04-28-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dml325
How much extra power are you looking for? I added an Airaid high performance air intake to mine and it adds about 12-15 HP. They are $339 online and you can install yourself. The harder part is that you won't get the full benefit unless you have the exhaust to move out all of the extra air flowing through the system...more air flowing through the system = more horsepower. Just generally makes your Jeep have a little more pep.

You are the perfect person that airraid was thinking of when they make their exaggerated claims lol.

yellowbeast 04-28-2012 01:38 PM

when a turbo is installed CORRECTLY it does virtually no harm..im currently installing one on my 06 2.4l just to deal with the lack of power on the interstate. and better fuel economy. people are going to tell you alot of different things but ive seen turbos on wranglers succeed and fail..im shooting for the succeed obviously.. with that said you will hear of people saying they did or heard of someone turboing a jeep or other suv and they blew the motor exct..if you force induct any engine and do not correctly map the fuel or retard the engine..install larger injectors..and use a 2 bar maf..than yes you will absolutely destroy the engine..we all know this. on my thread i have on here i am showing the average jeeper with average mechanical know how what you need to do to ensure a upgrade such as this will succeed. by the way im only in 800 bucks on EVERYTHING ive purchased for the build. should you just buy a kit you will pay out of your ass for it..and it still wont inclued some of the critical pieces such as a split second PSC1-1-002 that will be needed, a wideband A/F ratio guage setup, and typically leaves alot of guess work for the installer..and honestly the usually dont even include instructions as they " recommend a professional install the kit" for me im a weekend warrior with the jeep..i do all my work myself..if theres something im not sure about i come on here and ask the Tj community and typically get the correct answer i am looking for. as another guy posted above you first need to see what exactly you want the power for..interstate..rock crawling..trails exct. then do your homework and go from there. if you have questions reguarding the turbo setup ill do my best to help..as there is another expert in this area names SHERPA on here who is typically willing to help. good luck i cant wait to see what you decide to do from here.

fourty4magjr 04-28-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 2312152)
Some of us can't do stroker motors due to state laws. :banghead: so we have to look for different alternatives. :whistling:

Oh yes I forgot about this I'm one of them damnit all!

BurlySoldier 04-28-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterDR
Can we all agree that there are zillions of turbos on trucks?

I had a mustang with nitrous a few years back, and some dumb ass kids told me nitrous was for ricers.

Can't we all agree that putting a turbo on a truck is not the norm and has not been done a zillion times ( save for diesels).
Someone had mentioned two years of a toyota truck with a turbo many years ago. Must have been a huge success. Nothing I've read in this thread or on the net makes me think it would be an easier OR better alternative to a stroker long block or a stroker rebuild kit (for a 4.0). As for modding out a Jeep 4 banger... Go for it. I'd love to see you or anyone succeed with that (realistically) but I just do not think it is worth it.
Locally on Craigslist is a low mileage 4.0 ($200)and also a 5 speed manual ($200) out of a 4.0. Both total up cheaper than a turbo and you might be able to do the swap yourself. However you are still left with a weak set of axles and lets not forget the transfer.
This whole idea of doing up a 4 cylinder to outperform a 6 or even converting to a 6 sounds like too much work to me.
I'd sell what you got and buy a better platform to build from.
Just my .02 and not trying to offend

WaterDR 04-28-2012 04:45 PM

There is no reason to put a turbo on a truck because zillions already come that way.

BurlySoldier 04-28-2012 04:47 PM

Hahaha
As for those calling your stang a ricer because it had a nos system they need their heads examined and clearly know jackshit about hotrodding and hotrod history.

IndyJeepMan 04-28-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BurlySoldier
Well the key word is diesel. Not gasoline. And whats the redline on most diesel engines at? And when you go and put a 230 HP turbo onto a 10-15 year old 4 cylinder with excess of 100,000 miles on it (and it costs you 4 grand to do it) how long until your clutch goes? And your rears? And your engine? And when that goes what do you do? Replace with stock?
I stand by what I said. If I had the money (and only in a Jeep originally equipped with a 4.0) I'd do the stroker long block. Period.

Youd need to replace all of those things with a stroker too, the horsepower with the turbo will be similar with the stroker so that argument isnt valid. A turbo, supercharger would work great but itd be just as expensive or more. Personally id just regear. Thats all you neep OP most likely.


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