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nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 08:17 PM

ARB Compressor / Air Tank ???s
 
hello,

iīm going to install a 2.5 gallon air tank on my TC plate (on the drivers side next to the TC).
the only reason for that is that itīs annoying to me that my ARB compact (CKSA12) compressor turns on for a short time every time i engage a locker.

is my ARB compact compressor strong enough to fill up a 2.5 gallon gas tank?
here are the technical specifications.

the ARB compact compressor has a switch that turns on the compressor when the pressure is to low and that turns it off when the pressure is high enough. at how much PSI does it turn on and off? iīd like to use this swiths also with the air tank.

how often can i engage a locker when such a 2.5 gallon air tank is full before the compressor turns on again?

thanks i advance for your answers.
nicolas-eric :punk:

Scoob 02-16-2008 08:36 PM

IIRC the ARB pump kicks in and out with the range the lockers were designed for, 85-105 psi. That little pump would have to run for a very long time to fill up that big tank. The small ARB compressors were not made for this kind of duty cycle. I have seen them burn up just while filling a 33" tire.
I would not recommend making your little pump do that, but if your system had no leaks you could engage and dis-engage your lockers a BUNCH of times from a 2.5 gallon tank. :)

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 08:46 PM

the ARB compressor can run 21 minutes before it has to cool down.
isnīt that enough to fill up a 2.56 gallon air tank from 85-105 psi?

i also have a mobile viair 400P compressor. i could use it if the tank is completely empty.

but i donīt want to install the viair in my jeep. i also need it on th eboat and when iīm camping.

Scoob 02-16-2008 08:53 PM

You could try timing it with the tank. But I have seen it take 10-15 minutes to fill a tire. That's only going to 30 PSI. Once that compressor tries to push that tank past 90 psi its output is going to be next to nothing.
Remember that the small ARB compressors don't have a thermal overload on them. Meaning your first clue that its getting to hot run is going to be when the magic smoke leaves it.

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 09:01 PM

perhaps i should think about instaling the viair 400P.
will it work on the drivers side front fender where actually my ARB compressor is installed?
or isnīt it made for being installed under the hood?

Scoob 02-16-2008 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194658)
perhaps i should think about instaling the viair 400P.
will it work on the drivers side front fender where actually my ARB compressor is installed?
or isnīt it made for being installed under the hood?

No clue on that one NE. I would think any of the small via air would work just fine for this. You dont need a large volume of air. So I would think grab a small Viair, a regualtor, a tank and you should be just fine. Sorry I cant be of more help on this part. I run the Kilby on board air which takes about 20 seconds to fill my 1.75 gallon tank from 0 to 150 psi.

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 09:14 PM

:eek: you hava a kilby on board air systems? did you win the lottery...? :D

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 10:25 PM

@scoob:
how long will it take to fill up four 35s tires from 12 to 30 psi?
perhaps ui should save some money and install a real on board air system and not such a slow electric compressor.

how do you install such a kilby compressor? do you have some pics?
could i install such a compressor in my 06 4.0L TJ with A/C?

Scoob 02-16-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194666)
:eek: you hava a kilby on board air systems? did you win the lottery...? :D

Sort of, I won the kilby system in a Jeep website drawing much the one this forum has. Except you don't have to pay anybody (or be supporting member) to enter the drawing I was in at links4jeeps.com. It was only going to be a drawing for a used compressor and a clutch. Until Brad kilby heard about it, then he donated the rest of the stuff like the Tank, Gauge, Manifold, Pressure switch, Hose and everything else to make it a complete Kilby on-board air system. I was lucky enough to be the one to have my name drawn :)

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...omprerssor.jpg

here is some other pics of its install.
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m...oobysJeep/OBA/

I have since went to a Chevy air filter to get rid of my air box. But other then that everything is still pretty much the same.

Scoob 02-16-2008 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194711)
@scoob:
how long will it take to fill up four 35s tires from 12 to 30 psi?
perhaps ui should save some money and install a real on board air system and not such a slow electric compressor.

how do you install such a kilby compressor? do you have some pics?
could i install such a compressor in my 06 4.0L TJ with A/C?

I didn't time mine on 35's but on 285/75/16 (33/11.5) I go from 8 psi to 31 in just under 35 seconds per tire @2000 rpm.
Install is not that hard. The kit comes with everything you need and VERY good instructions. If your mechanically minded at all you wont have any problem. My Rubi is an 06 with a/c so I know the kit will fit your Jeep :)
See the post above for pics and if you need any others just holler, I will be happy to take some more for you.

Scoob 02-16-2008 10:52 PM

The kilby video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSuQrnsVLmw

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 10:58 PM

under 35 seconds for a 33" tire from 8 to 31 psi? wow...
i needed over 5 minutes for a 32" tire from 12-30 psi with the viair 400P.

can i adjust the maximum pressure of that setup? you said the ARB lockers need 85-105 psi.

will it be faster at higher RPMs? now i also have a reason for installing a hand-throttle...

now i know what i want...itīs expensive but much better than a viair-toy-compressor.

where did you install the air tank? were all hoses in this kit long enough?
what do i ned more to install my ARB solenoids?

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoob (Post 194723)
The kilby video.

i canīt believe this. is it really that fast?
that would be a great way to run air tools...!!!

my girlfriend will kill me. i think iīll spend some 1200$ for such an on board air system. :punk:

:wavey:

Scoob 02-16-2008 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
can i adjust the maximum pressure of that setup? you said the ARB lockers need 85-105 psi.

You can with a different pressure switch but you wouldn't want too. The kilby kicks in at 120 psi and out at 150. It works very well like this. For your ARBs all you would have to do is get a simple air regulator and put it in-line before your lockers and set ti 100 90 psi. that way no matter what pressure the tank is at your lockers would only see 90 psi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
will it be faster at higher RPMs?

Yes the higher the RPM the faster the compressor is. At 2000 rpm it puts out close to 8 cfm of air at 90 psi. An example of how much air that is my snap on 1/2 drive air impact wrench uses 5 cfm @90 psi. Which hooked to the Kilby compressor is what I use to rotate the wheels on the Jeep.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
now i also have a reason for installing a hand-throttle...

Yup, I set mine at 2000 rpm while airing up my tires and those of my friends who have electrics. They do one tire and i air up their other 3 before they get done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
now i know what i want...itīs expensive but much better than a viair-toy-compressor.

MUCH BETTER, you cant even compare the 2 things, they are not in the same league. Or price range.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
where did you install the air tank? were all hoses in this kit long enough?

I installed the tank in the same place you were going to install yours. Just behind the transfer case between the drive shaft and the frame rail. Kilby will send enough hose to run from the compressor to the tank and then to a quick disconnect (which is also included) for your air tools, tire inflators or what ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194725)
what do i ned more to install my ARB solenoids?

your ARBs would be installed the same way they are now. You would simply need a regulator to drop the pressure to something they can handle and a way to hook them up to the regulator, such as hooking the 2 lines to a small manifold which the regulator is hooked too.


Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194727)
i canīt believe this. is it really that fast?
that would be a great way to run air tools...!!!

Its really that fast, does no one over there have one for you to try out before you buy one?

nicolas-eric 02-16-2008 11:37 PM

i never heard of a belt driven compressor in a TJ before.
iīve seen this only in trucks.
itīs completely new to me.

thank you scoob. you really changed my plans.

:wavey:

mr4x4 02-16-2008 11:43 PM

I need to get my york compressor mounted (its just sitting their collecting dust)

I need to buy the brackets and the pulley to fit my jeep

Scoob 02-16-2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194748)
i never heard of a belt driven compressor in a TJ before.
iīve seen this only in trucks.
itīs completely new to me.

thank you scoob. you really changed my plans.

:wavey:

Many over here have a kilby setup or at least parts of it. I am glad I could help spend your money. Or as our favorite mod Scout would say.

"I am here to help" :)


If you have ANY other questions or concerns just ask. I would be happy to help you out in any way i can.

Tj Bunch 02-17-2008 12:01 AM

can they be used w/ac or do you eliminate your compressor?

nicolas-eric 02-17-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tj Bunch (Post 194767)
can they be used w/ac or do you eliminate your compressor?

there is a kit for TJs with AC and for TJs without AC.

Tj Bunch 02-17-2008 12:05 AM

cool thank you in Fresno you can't live w/o A/C.....

Tj Bunch 02-17-2008 12:06 AM

Hey Nic What time is it in Germany?

Scoob 02-17-2008 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tj Bunch (Post 194767)
can they be used w/ac or do you eliminate your compressor?

Yes NE is correct.

Here is a pic of my engine from an overhead view. The Kilby compressor sits on the left side (passenger) while your A/C is on the right side (Driver). This is on a 04+ Jeeps, on others it may be in a different place but it will still work.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ep/comptop.jpg

nicolas-eric 02-17-2008 12:09 AM

is 1245$ a good price for this kit?
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.as...5&partID=13865

or so you know a cheaper shop that will ship to germany?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tj Bunch (Post 194771)
Hey Nic What time is it in Germany?

6.06 a.m.
my girlfriend will kill me...

nicolas-eric 02-17-2008 12:11 AM

one disadvantage is that my alternator would be lower with this kit.
could taht cause problems when i drive through deep water?

:wavey:

Scoob 02-17-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194775)
is 1245$ a good price for this kit?
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.as...5&partID=13865

or so you know a cheaper shop that will ship to germany?

6.06 a.m.
my girlfriend will kill me...

I wouldn't mess with a middle man. I would order straight from Kilby.
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/KE-2000-K.htm

Scoob 02-17-2008 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194777)
one disadvantage is that my alternator would be lower with this kit.
could taht cause problems when i drive through deep water?

:wavey:

It hasn't bothered mine in 2 years and several times a year I do wheeling like this :)


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...r/3abf7998.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ercrossing.jpg

nicolas-eric 02-17-2008 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoob (Post 194779)
I wouldn't mess with a middle man. I would order straight from Kilby.
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/KE-2000-K.htm

iīll ask them if they ship to germany. but most smaller shops or manufacturers don't do that.
i already asked JKS, RE, DPG offroad, roughcountry, and some more. and they all donīt want to ship to me... :doh:

Scoob 02-17-2008 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 194782)
iīll ask them if they ship to germany. but most smaller shops or manufacturers don't do that.
i already asked JKS, RE, DPG offroad, roughcountry, and some more. and they all donīt want to ship to me... :doh:

I will send a PM to Brad and ask him about it.

nicolas-eric 02-17-2008 04:49 PM

today i talked to some friends. some of them use HD compressor on their tours trough the deserts in africa.

they said that with the kilby compressor the fuel consumption will increase a bit. and another disadvantage is that the engine has to run when i want to use the compressor.

they all use compressors that are belt-driven by a 1.1 kW electric engine like this one:

http://www.woick.de/catalog/images/K...oick_Woick.jpg

wouldnīt such a compressor be better for me? itīs as fast as the kilby.

:wavey:

Triple88a 02-17-2008 05:18 PM

I'd imagine it would drain ur battery pretty fast so you'd still need the engine running and possibly need a red top which would just add more to ur gfs list.


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