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George T. 02-19-2008 03:25 PM

If this, than that...
 
Now, I personally have no stance on gun control. I am neither for it or against it. That being said..

Lets assume that the 2nd Amendment did not exist, it never existed, and it never will exist.

My question is:

What would be your arguments for and for not being able to carry firearms or be in the possession of firearms (LEO officers exempt).

Again, let me reiterate, I am no for or against gun control. I am just curious. This wont be the only If this, than that thread.

Smeghead 02-19-2008 03:30 PM

Its not allowed in Britain and I never got killed

4point 02-19-2008 06:26 PM

1. I actually hunt for food, critters just taste good. :cool:
2. Don't ride the fence you'll get splinters. :D

Dare2BSquare 02-19-2008 06:56 PM

I am afraid we would not be able to make an argument for it. Governments who do not fear the citizens being able to protect themselves from intrusions of their rights by either criminals or even the government do not have a good track record in the last century.

Our founding fathers knew this and that is why it does exist and why we should make sure it continues to exist.

See this...

Quote:

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because
of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century.

sgnellett 02-19-2008 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dare2BSquare (Post 195980)
I am afraid we would not be able to make an argument for it. Governments who do not fear the citizens being able to protect themselves from intrusions of their rights by either criminals or even the government do not have a good track record in the last century.

Our founding fathers knew this and that is why it does exist and why we should make sure it continues to exist.

See this...

I'd say you covered it pretty well, besides, as a free man, with or without government sanction, I have the God given right to defend that which I own from being taken from me. Period. If you try to harm my family or my property, know full well before hand you may well need to defend your actions with your life.

RIPBiker13 02-19-2008 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgnellett (Post 196028)
I'd say you covered it pretty well, besides, as a free man, with or without government sanction, I have the God given right to defend that which I own from being taken from me. Period. If you try to harm my family or my property, know full well before hand you may well need to defend your actions with your life.

X2!

Even if guns were banned, I can assure I would still have at least one hidden somewhere ready and waiting.

SPDSNYPR 02-19-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George T. (Post 195898)
Now, I personally have no stance on gun control. I am neither for it or against it. That being said..

Lets assume that the 2nd Amendment did not exist, it never existed, and it never will exist.

My question is:

What would be your arguments for and for not being able to carry firearms or be in the possession of firearms (LEO officers exempt).

Again, let me reiterate, I am no for or against gun control. I am just curious. This wont be the only If this, than that thread.

Um - the real world is dangerous. People try to victimize and kill each other with surprising regularity. Personally owned firerarms are about the best insurance from victimization you can have. The police and military cannot protect most of the people most of the time - I know. Trust me. Your personal protection is your personal responsibility, and your personal right. No government should think they "give" that right to you, or have the ability to take it away (as long as you are playing nice within our society). It's pretty simple. If bad guys can get guns (and they can), then good guys should have them.

White93ARB 02-19-2008 10:50 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N8fsgs49r8U
Watch it all.

RIPBiker13 02-19-2008 10:59 PM

That was AWESOME! Good for him! He tried to get away from the guys and they harassed him and followed him. However, he was wrong to take the camera, he should have just taken the tape as evidence. But he was justified in drawing a weapon on the guy with the bat. Had that man not had a gun, things might have been VERY bad for them.

Dare2BSquare 02-19-2008 11:02 PM

But he cut them off.

You guys know the people who drive european cars are all uppity uppity schmucks. They should have stood up to him and seen if he had the balls to use the gun.

RIPBiker13 02-19-2008 11:05 PM

Ok yeah, he did cut them off, but that was excuse to act like that. they were still wrong.

Dare2BSquare 02-19-2008 11:07 PM

I was kidding.

I drive a bimmer. I would have shot their @$$.

RIPBiker13 02-19-2008 11:11 PM

You're a bad kid! SHAME! A bimmer!? :p

White93ARB 02-19-2008 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dare2BSquare (Post 196137)
I was kidding.

I drive a bimmer. I would have shot their @$$.

:rofl:

sgnellett 02-19-2008 11:12 PM

Not to worry, the whole thing was fake..:crash:

White93ARB 02-19-2008 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIPBiker13 (Post 196141)
You're a bad kid! SHAME! A bimmer!? :p

Bimmers are nice. I'd rock a 740 any day. Pimpin.

KicknJeep 02-20-2008 11:40 AM

me I'm all for gun control.......



























how else can you hit what you shoot at :flipoff:

Joe Dirt 02-20-2008 11:54 PM

People fall into one of three categories; wolves (the preditors), sheep (the victims) and sheepdogs (the protectors). Pick which one you want to be or the wolves will pick for you. I'm a LEO in CA. Our gun laws are tuff. Despite this, we have huge numbers of gun related crimes. Gun control only keeps law abiding citizens from getting guns.

ccain 02-21-2008 10:11 AM

Yeah... Nothing will be solved by the implementation of nationwide gun control. In fact, things will probably get worse. It will only open a venue for people from outside the country to make even more money from illegal firearms! And more violent crime to help pay for the guns.


How about taking the money from useless programs and using it to hire, equip and train police officers and implement stiffer penalties for criminals? Use the death penalty.

02Prove 02-21-2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccain529 (Post 196713)
Use the death penalty.


Move to Texas... it's all the rage over there.

I wish they'd do some friggin' thing instead of warehouse these losers.

Jaxs1stJeep 02-21-2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Dirt (Post 196610)
Gun control only keeps law abiding citizens from getting guns.

+1000

skeeter 02-21-2008 06:57 PM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x..._Disarmed_.jpg

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG4.jpg

http://thedartmouth.com/content/2007...-3958-1404.jpg
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/25/hom...ion/index.html

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1.../image0022.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1.../image0011.jpg

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/...mages/ms13.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...9/DENNYsml.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9...sriflescq0.jpg


http://www.thorninpaw.com/u/htdocs/t...e%20bomber.jpg

http://www.islam-watch.org/Assets/SwedenRape.gif

The only one that can be there 24/7 365 is you. Your mother can not protect you, The cops can not protect you. The government can not protect you and it's a dangerous world out there.

Jaxs1stJeep 02-21-2008 08:28 PM

Do you know when your life is put in danger?

Could you tell when your Mother's, Father's, Brother's, Sister's, Wife's, Husband's, Child's life was in danger?

I bet you could.

If the threat was from another person threatening your or their lives'; would you want to yell at them and say you're calling 911?

Or would you rather have a gun on your hip, be able to draw it, and stop the person?

Jaxs1stJeep 02-21-2008 08:30 PM

http://www.a-human-right.com/

timberspirit04 02-21-2008 08:30 PM

A gun is the only thing I can think of that will put a 80 year old person on the same playing field as a 200 pound 18 year old attacker. If there were no guns in the world a young man or woman in the best shape they could be in would able to inflict much more damage to another than your 80 year old grandmother. Just my 2 cents.

RIPBiker13 02-21-2008 08:33 PM

Call 911 = 20min

Shoot them = .88sec

:D


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