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06R1Raven01TJ 02-27-2008 08:33 PM

Quick Tranny question
 
Taking the tranny and transfer case out of my 01 TJ 4.0, got four bolts out of the bottom part on the engine that were 3/4 size, I thought that was all but then found two star bolts at the top. Do the two star bolts hold the engine and the tranny together as well? They were on so tight that I broke the stars off them. I'm guessing I'm going to have to cut the heads off and use a eazy out to pull the bolts. I was hoping they didnt hold the two together but I cant get thr engine and tranny apart. Any suggestions or Ideas??????

Triple88a 02-28-2008 10:07 AM

no idea where these bolts are however the last time i messed up a torx screw i was able to use a pair of strong vicegrips and turn it from the side so i got it out without cutting anything and then i installed a normal hex bolt.. (that was on my rear track bar on the axle)

Jerry Bransford 02-28-2008 10:19 AM

Those are extended-torx bolts and yes they hold the tranny to the engine, as well as the t-case to the tranny. You need E-10 and E-12 reverse torx bits for those. The tranny to the engine uses E-12, the t-case to the tranny uses E-10.

06R1Raven01TJ 02-28-2008 01:49 PM

Yeah I used the e 12, stripped one and had to cut it off with a grinder. The other one is still hoding strong after penetrating lubeand 5 hours of trying to get it loose. I am close to the point of trying to shoot it off with my 45.:crash: Any one have a secret way of getting this bolt off?

64panhead 02-28-2008 03:04 PM

this may be slightly of the subject but what is the reason for using torqs bolts in the bell housing or anywhere for that matter in my opinion it is the weakest garbage fastener ever made:mad:

64panhead 02-28-2008 03:08 PM

any torq bolt i come acrost with any jeep i work on gets replaced with a standerd hex bolt mainly because the torq bolt isnt any good when they strip out and they always do

Jerry Bransford 02-28-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 64panhead (Post 199863)
this may be slightly of the subject but what is the reason for using torqs bolts in the bell housing or anywhere for that matter in my opinion it is the weakest garbage fastener ever made:mad:

Those two bolts are in a relatively difficult area to reach and the e-torx bolts are much easier to hold onto with a wrench. On the assembly line, I can see where they would be far easier to insert from an assembler's point of view. I've had my tranny/t-case out 3 times and those two particular e-torx bolts actually made it easier for me.

64panhead 02-28-2008 03:19 PM

i dont want to make anyone mad. with that aside the manufactures do what is best for them and what is faster on the assembly line. then they dont care about anyone who may have to work on it after it leavs the showroom floor. now i gotta wonder what it would be like if an average joe mechanic was in on the drawing and building of our tjs i bet he would have made an access panal in the floor to reach these bolts that we are talking about

Jerry Bransford 02-28-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 64panhead (Post 199872)
i dont want to make anyone mad. with that aside the manufactures do what is best for them and what is faster on the assembly line. then they dont care about anyone who may have to work on it after it leavs the showroom floor.

Have you ever personally pulled your TJ's tranny yet? As I said above, those two e-torx bolts actually made it easier... not more difficult... to get those bolts in and out the three times I've pulled my tranny and t-case.

4point 02-28-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 199882)
Have you ever personally pulled your TJ's tranny yet? As I said above, those two e-torx bolts actually made it easier... not more difficult... to get those bolts in and out the three times I've pulled my tranny and t-case.

I think he's speaking in general and not just those two bolts.

Jerry Bransford 02-28-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 4point (Post 199883)
I think he's speaking in general and not just those two bolts.

You're probably right. :)

64panhead 02-28-2008 04:20 PM

i have had mine out 1x and i didnt have any torq bolts some body before me changed the torque converter and just replaced the torq bolts with standerd hex ones. so i honestly have not had the experience of the top bell housing torq bolts. but i didnt have a problem removing any of the bolts i encounterd


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