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flyerfan 05-30-2012 10:47 PM

Need advice - Should I upgrade to JKU
 
Hoping to get some opinions on this. I am interested in upgrading my 2012 JK to a JKU. Short version: Can I do this without it being very financially irresponsible?

Background. Bought my first Jeep in November. 2012 Sahara 2-dr. Loaded. Upgraded to 35s, new wheels, 2.5in lift, few other small mods. Spent a few grand altogether. At the time I opted to go 2-dr because this is our 2nd family car (I have 2 kids and a large dog). My thinking is that it would usually be just me. Why spend more money for extra seats which have little purpose, is what I was thinking. We have a big SUV as our primary vehicle, so any hauling is done over there. It has 4000 miles over 7 months.

Problems: This was a bit of a surprise... whole family loves going places in the jeep, especially with the top down. We can't really take anything with us though (including the dog) given the lack of space, so we don't get too far. Also, I play ice hockey and I learned a fun lesson when I switch to soft top. I can't fit the hockey bag easily. Basically it sits in the passenger seat and I have to lift it to shift (thankfully I have an auto). I can't easily flip up the 2nd row because I have a toddler seat installed; they are painful to take in/out.

What do you think? Should I live with it for a couple of years and trade up later? Or do you think same-year resale is high enough to make this only a minimal financial loss?

HK_Runner 05-30-2012 10:54 PM

Depends on your financial situation. I say take the hit now and negotiate hard when trading in. If you are in a tight financial situation, wait it out a bit.

snochick 05-30-2012 11:00 PM

You could always consider just trading the other SUV in for a JKU. Then you get the best of both worlds, but it sounds like the 2 door isn't really working well even for just you considering your other hobbies.

If you can afford it, ya might wanna just take the hit now. Might also wanna see if ya can figure out a way to hold onto your 35's though. That would save you some $$$ with the new one for upgrades considering a 2.5" lift isn't really all that much. a set of take offs from another Jeep would be worth it not to have to drop another several grand into another set of 35's.

SeaLawyer 05-30-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HK_Runner (Post 2420863)
Depends on your financial situation. I say take the hit now and negotiate hard when trading in. If you are in a tight financial situation, wait it out a bit.

Agreed. I just got my JKU for $2K under invoice. Did you keep the stock parts so you can swap them back on before trading? I also play hockey and originally was looking at a 2-door before I realized it would be very difficult to fit my gear. My girls are small enough (5 & 7) they could have easily fit in the back of the 2-door. Glad I got the 4-door though. Go Wings!! :D

davidjeep12 05-31-2012 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HK_Runner (Post 2420863)
Depends on your financial situation. I say take the hit now and negotiate hard when trading in. If you are in a tight financial situation, wait it out a bit.

I agree with HK
Life is short and you better enjoy all it offers !!!!!
You may have to take it hit in the wallet BUT no matter what FUN TIMES with your family is priceless !!!!!! :thumb:

kjeeper10 05-31-2012 05:22 AM

Stay with the 2 door, we dealt for 20 years :firedevil:

RRTRI 05-31-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by davidjeep12 (Post 2421307)
I agree with HK
Life is short and you better enjoy all it offers !!!!!
You may have to take it hit in the wallet BUT no matter what FUN TIMES with your family is priceless !!!!!! :thumb:

X2

...a bit of irresponsibility within reason in the interest of fun is good for the soul.

N3M0 05-31-2012 11:42 AM

I bought a 2011 2dr JK back in June of 2011. 1 month later my wife and I found out we were pregnant :dance:. Our son was born in March of this year and man, trying to get a carseat in the back seat was a hassle :facepalm:. So I went back to the same dealership, explained my situation and a few days later drove off the lot in my new 2012 JKU. Was able to keep all of my options the same, although it is costing me about $50 a month more. However, that $50 is WELL worth it to both my wife and myself with the amount of space the JKU provides. :thumb:

I can fit his stroller AND groceries in the "trunk" now :rofl:

Red Sahara 05-31-2012 11:46 AM

I too wanted a JK. I have two kids and no dog anymore (he passed away a year ago). They both swim competetively and we travel a lot. I thought the Jeep would be mostly me and a JK would suffice. Of course, Mrs. I Am Always Right (my wife) convinced me to get a JKU. Turns out, she was right. I don't think a JK would be as much fun for me, too many restrictions for my family.

I say as long as you can afford it, and it is not too crazy, just do it. You will have more fun and the family will be happier. I know the feeling of them wanting to be in the Jeep with the top down. My kids have spent some cold nights coming home wet from swim practice with the top down, just to have fun the next day to and from school.

panthermark 05-31-2012 11:54 AM

Great thread.
I had this same discussion with the better half yesterday.

I went and looked at a 2 door on Saturday. Very cool, but the backseat is useless to adults. Right now it is just me and her and her 9 pound dog. But I'm sure kids will be on their way soon.

She said it was up to me (2-door or 4-door) since she has her new Rav-4 Sport that she loves. But she does understand the point about having such a vehicle, and not being able to take friends/family along. You buy such a vehicle, and you always want to be in it, but it sucks that you can't take it because it is basically a 2 seater. Tough call.

I'm curious to see how the opinions will shake out.

N3M0 05-31-2012 12:00 PM

I went on a long weekend camping trip with 4 adults and all our gear in my 2dr JK. Managed to squeeze everything in. Only problem i had with the size of it was because of the baby. My wife and I take the Jeep everywhere because she has a 120 mile commute round trip to work and mine is 20 =). Well, that, and it's fun. Just made more sense to get the JKU for us. I think it all just depends on the situation.

ilikeguns 05-31-2012 12:08 PM

I love the family trips in the JKU and the extra space behind the back seat is great for beach chairs etc..

I've been debating a similar trade up to a rubi so I'm curious to see how you make out.

MTH 05-31-2012 12:12 PM

The only way I'd get a 2 door is if I was single with no kids, or could have it as a "play" vehicle in addition to a "family car."

I'd probably pull the rear seat out, leaving myself with room for one adult passenger of my choice as well as a full size "trunk" that could hold camping gear or whatever. Maybe I'd get a single jump seat so I could squeeze in two passengers while still having half of the rear compartment for storage.

But once you have a significant other and a kid (or more than one kid), you're pretty much out of room in a 2 door for a lot of the types of outings you'd go on with a kid. You'll need to install a carseat, which probably warrants putting back in the factory rear seat, leaving only about 12" of trunk space. That of course won't work for strollers, so you'd want a roof rack or trailer attachment to carry that everywhere.

At that point, you've pretty much moved into "square peg, round hole" territory--you have the wrong vehicle for your needs and will always be battling it for space. Especially if you have another kid. For me, that would be a constant source of annoyance.

And I of course have 3 kids, so there's simply no choice other than a 4 door. A 2 door would be a ridiculous option for me unless it was simply a "play" vehicle.

MacCTD 05-31-2012 12:16 PM

Find out what it would cost to make the change. I have found the base models of vehicles seem to hold their value better than the more expensive models, where you have a Sahara I would expect you would take a pretty big hit trading it this soon.

Posts On Percocet 05-31-2012 12:28 PM

First, take off all your upgrades and put them on the new Jeep.

Second, what a lot of people don't realize is that NOW (in your case) IS the time to trade. You don't wait over a year. You have to trade in vehicles while they are still worth something. Trading at 6 or 8 thousand miles is a great thing. Shouldn't cost you more than a couple grand.

Look at it this way:

If you resign yourself that you'll always have a payment you should trade your new vehicle every year (give or take). Sure, it'll cost you 2 grand, but you'll always have a new vehicle, and always have a warranty.

You say 2 grand a year is a lot, but if you keep one vehicle ten years and go to trade it, you'll have to pay over ten grand (obviousness give or take) so it works out about the same financially.

EDIT: What did you pay for it? KBB says it's worth around $30,000(and that's for a 2011, it wouldn't let me pick 2012). Tell them that's what you want for it. Then, find a JKU that's got some decent options for around 32,000 or 33,000, and you won't take that big of a hit and you still have the extras you put on the two door.

N3M0 05-31-2012 12:47 PM

Like i said my payment went up about 50$ a month. Took a 2.5k hit. My 2011 had 11k miles when i traded her in for the 2012 jku

KittyPrawn 05-31-2012 01:02 PM

Honestly, I would go talk to a dealership possibly even the one you purchased your Jeep from. It doesn't cost you anything besides time to see what they might be willing to do for you. If you don't like what one dealership says, try a different one.

Jeeps are a hot seller right now, and as long as your JK is in decent shape, they should be able to turn it right around.

Fas550 05-31-2012 01:06 PM

Unless you really need the room IMHO don't. I have both and the Wrangler is more fun to drive based on 400lb less weight and much tighter turning radius. I love both cars and bought them for different reasons

panthermark 05-31-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 2422419)
The only way I'd get a 2 door is if I was single with no kids, or could have it as a "play" vehicle in addition to a "family car."

I'd probably pull the rear seat out, leaving myself with room for one adult passenger of my choice as well as a full size "trunk" that could hold camping gear or whatever. Maybe I'd get a single jump seat so I could squeeze in two passengers while still having half of the rear compartment for storage.

But once you have a significant other and a kid (or more than one kid), you're pretty much out of room in a 2 door for a lot of the types of outings you'd go on with a kid. You'll need to install a carseat, which probably warrants putting back in the factory rear seat, leaving only about 12" of trunk space. That of course won't work for strollers, so you'd want a roof rack or trailer attachment to carry that everywhere.

At that point, you've pretty much moved into "square peg, round hole" territory--you have the wrong vehicle for your needs and will always be battling it for space. Especially if you have another kid. For me, that would be a constant source of annoyance.

And I of course have 3 kids, so there's simply no choice other than a 4 door. A 2 door would be a ridiculous option for me unless it was simply a "play" vehicle.

You pretty much nailed it.
I'm in an odd spot myself because I have a 2006 Liberty with 35,899 miles on it as of this morning. I could keep that as my haul/tow vehicle and get a 2 door. But honestly, if it is 75 degrees out (and I'm not on my bike), I don't want to take the Liberty (or Rav-4) OVER a Wrangler to go pick up friends/family and head to dinner.

I won't off-road enough, nor have deep enough pockets to have that kind of "toy". In my head, I know a 4-door is more versatile. But man, the 2-doors just look so cool.
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To the OP.....seems like it might be time to take the hit and move to a 4 door so that you can haul both kids and your dog with you to the park or to a picnic this summer.

Again, great thread....
:popcorn:

MTH 05-31-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by panthermark (Post 2422604)
I won't off-road enough, nor have deep enough pockets to have that kind of "toy". In my head, I know a 4-door is more versatile. But man, the 2-doors just look so cool.

I do think stock 4 doors look . . . I dunno, somehow too "heavy" for the stock wheels/tires/height they're offered with. Just something about the proportions.

That said, adding just 33s and 2.5" of lift fixes those proportions IMO, and gets it looking just as cool as a 2 door. In my mind anyway . . . .

http://cdn.wranglerforum.com/attachm...8&d=1338391552

And--also just IMO of course--I think the 4 doors aestheticallly handle bigger builds better. 3" or more of lift with 35s or bigger looks better to me on a 4 door than a 2 door.

N3M0 05-31-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KittyPrawn
Honestly, I would go talk to a dealership possibly even the one you purchased your Jeep from. It doesn't cost you anything besides time to see what they might be willing to do for you. If you don't like what one dealership says, try a different one.

Jeeps are a hot seller right now, and as long as your JK is in decent shape, they should be able to turn it right around.

Exactly what i did. Same salesman, finance manager and everything. From my experience (which was less than a month ago) they are more than willing to help out. After all, they are making another sale off of you LOL.

FuzzyJK 05-31-2012 01:30 PM

I feel like the only single jeep owner the jeep is the first thing ive ever owned were i kept more then the drivers seat in it lol

pluke the 2 05-31-2012 01:46 PM

four door all the way. our 2 door is fun. but when it comes to climbing ledges, the two door just wont cut it because of it's crappy wheel base.

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...e3/37s/4-3.jpg

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...e3/37s/2-2.jpg

GCDMD 05-31-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pluke the 2 (Post 2422690)
four door all the way. our 2 door is fun. but when it comes to climbing ledges, the two door just wont cut it because of it's crappy wheel base.



http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...e3/37s/2-2.jpg

Damn that is one impressive picture!!! Looks like fun. :thumb:

I am happy I went with the four door even though I initially wanted a two. My 14 month old loves riding around in my Jeep and I like having that much extra room in case of a rear end accident. Regardless if you pick a 2 or a 4 door model, you win! :punk:

mattjopete 05-31-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panthermark (Post 2422604)
You pretty much nailed it.
I'm in an odd spot myself because I have a 2006 Liberty with 35,899 miles on it as of this morning. I could keep that as my haul/tow vehicle and get a 2 door. But honestly, if it is 75 degrees out (and I'm not on my bike), I don't want to take the Liberty (or Rav-4) OVER a Wrangler to go pick up friends/family and head to dinner.

I won't off-road enough, nor have deep enough pockets to have that kind of "toy". In my head, I know a 4-door is more versatile. But man, the 2-doors just look so cool.
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To the OP.....seems like it might be time to take the hit and move to a 4 door so that you can haul both kids and your dog with you to the park or to a picnic this summer.

Again, great thread....
:popcorn:

I had an 04 Liberty before this, and I loved it. That thing was solid, could tow a ton, and was perfectly proportioned to fit everything in it. BUT now that I have my JKU I do not miss it at all. As nice as my Liberty was, it just cannot compare to the JKU. If I had both, I doubt I'd ever drive the Liberty. If I had a regular JK, I would be forced to drive the Liberty more often just because I need the space and extra people hauling abilities. And I do mean forced, riding in any other vehicle makes me miss my JKU.

OP

If I were you, I would move up to the JKU if the dealer would give a good trade in value on your old one and if the extra payments are not much more.

Even though I am single, I plan to have a family eventually(already got the girl :dance:). I want to keep my Jeep and be able to take my family and friends out to experience nature the way God intended it.. in a Jeep! :punk: I feel like the JKU is the best tool for that job. Before the jku came out, I never even thought about Jeep making a 4 door Wrangler and at first I thought they were weird and borderline sacrilegious but over time I realized that the 4 doors are the perfect excuse to keep a Jeep while still having a family.

To summarize what turned into a long post, do it if you can at all justify it financially you will not regret it.

hbgirl 05-31-2012 03:10 PM

I've thought about this off and on since I got my JK in Feb.

I was finally able to get a Jeep after wanting one for so many years. My daughter has had her own car for a couple years, and I could finally justify a 2-door vehicle. No more car seats, no more carting around two kids non-stop, etc. Most of the time it would only be me, or me and my 14yo son, or me and my husband. Very rarely would it be all 3 of us, but if it was, we'd just take hubby's Ram.

Also, Jeeps were always 2-doors in my head. Always. I fell in love with a neighbor's CJ7 in 1980'ish (I was like 13; I know, I'm old). Traded in a Ford Edge for my dream Jeep and haven't missed it ... except for that extra room. And it keeps gnawing at me. I'd get some of it back if I took out the rear seat, but there's always that slim chance I'd need it for someone.

The only thing I'd be afraid of going from a new JK to JKU is all of the mods: new wheels/tires (sold the stock set), leveling kit, replaced stock bolts ... those are just the major ones. In the end, that's what will keep me from scratching that mild itch for a JKU (ok that, and the look my husband would give if I even mentioned a 4-door after everything we've done to the JK). :rofl:

keycat02 05-31-2012 03:16 PM

I'm not sure what to do with the dog, but you can inexpensively add more cargo room using a hitch-mounted cargo platform or a small trailer.

flyerfan 06-04-2012 10:43 PM

Thanks everyone for the great responses. I had no idea I'd get this much feedback. Gotta love this forum.

My salesman from October is calling me tomorrow. If I can make the financials reasonable (or, at least not insane), then I'm going to the JKU. Your collective feedback helped.

I will say, and I should have mentioned this in the post, that i unloaded the original wheels/tires/suspension. Sold it for 1100 on eBay (which shocked me btw; didn't think I'd get that much). So I only have the big 35s. Not completely sure how that will play out as I go to do this. Wondering if I buy orig stuff and put that back on? Or just trade it or sell it with the lift and wheels?

Would love to put that exact setup on a new JKU. Need more lift though. 2.5 hasn't been getting it done. Rubs on the trails too often for my taste. That was also a mistake! Being a newb can be expensive... :facepalm:

pluke the 2 06-04-2012 11:00 PM

get the four door and don't look back. trade in your 2 door now while it's relatively stock....

Con Artist 06-05-2012 12:51 AM

You will not regret your decision to get a JKU. Given my wife and I don't have any children, I could have very well gone with the 2dr, but I wanted room for stuff. I don't regret getting the Unlimited at all. In fact, if it weren't for the Unlimited, I wouldn't have purchased a Jeep.

Time with your family is worth the additional cost if you can swing it. Just this past weekend I visited my parents and my wife, parents, and niece took a trip in the Jeep. Everyone had a good time, even though it was just a trip to...

...the mall. :hide:


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