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PbFoot 03-14-2008 04:00 PM

is this a good deal on a jeep?
 
im a first time jeep prospect, but been wanting one for a while now. found one that looks like a decent deal, but im not sure if it is, can you guys chime in?

its a 98 SE with 84.5k miles on it, in colorado. its a soft top with sliding windows. carfax says its had 2 owners. i had the car inspected and the tech said that the transfer case fluid is dirty and the transfer case is noisy on the test drive. there are also a few minor leaks. the plate on the right side of the engine block has a leak, maybe the gasket to the oil pan. also the power steering lines have some minor leakage.

ive never owned a 4x4, so i dont know how much it is to fix something like this. the dealer is asking for $7300. im going to start negotiations at 6k if i decide to go for it. but does this seem like a decent deal or am i looking at problems down the road with the tranny or the drive system?

thanks for your help! :)

WhoahstU 03-14-2008 04:20 PM

Minor problems with 3 major components? Don't know if I'd risk it.

Tj Bunch 03-14-2008 04:30 PM

I paid Top $ On my 2001 4cyl But it has never realy been wheeled it was comuter car in Tennasee so I think the 4x4 was in the Snow it was all stock the Top was raddy but it was what I wanted .....4cyl w/A/C to save Gas Hahaha Boy did I get Duped on the gas thing.... not really I had a 1981 K5 Blazer got about 9.5MPG best 11MPG at least now I get 17-20 and It's a She's a Good Girl. My point is Look around for something that does not make noise even at 6k a T/C is gonna Cost and a tranny is even more i had a few Oil leaks but new seals fixed that. Everything else was great.

bpowa 03-14-2008 04:32 PM

I would pass.. the leak is not so bad. worst comes to worse is a rear seal.. I would worry more about the rear making noise than anything.. I would buy it for 5500. unless he would let it go for 6800 fixed.. 7300 is a bit steep for a 98 with all the problems..

well its not so bad from a dealer but the problems has to be fixed.. and I doudt they will fix it.. some other sucker would but it eventually.

PASS>> I can see it for a I6 but not a 4banger.

MCG 03-14-2008 04:38 PM

Yeah keep looking.
Too much for a 4 banger with leaks and 10 y.o on top of that.

PbFoot 03-14-2008 04:49 PM

yeah, thats what i was thinking too. i wouldnt go more than $6300, but i spoke to the dealer guy and i got the impression that they would not be fixing it. i guess the search continues.

Tj Bunch 03-14-2008 04:52 PM

PB Check like auto trader or whatever they call it in your area the liquer stores have the little classified mags and try to get one with a six instead of the four the gas savings is minimal at best and the power difference is really woth the extra.

Good luck

Greg

richp 03-14-2008 05:15 PM

$7300 for a 98SE 4 banger ?!?!?!?!?, want some KY with that :D should be around $5k at the most. Hunt around on Craigslist and autotrader, look for private sellers. Boy if they are selling for that kind of money in colorado I may pick up a dozen and truck them out there.

Jonny15 03-14-2008 05:24 PM

Well when you consider most 6 cylinder owners get about 16 mpg and most 4 cylinder owners get about 18-19, then multiply that by the number if times you fill up a year and you could be saving a few hundred bucks a year with the 4 cylinder. Granted you have to accept the trade off with highway power, but ive never had a problem with my 4 banger. If you find a good deal on a 4 banger go for it, but if you find a good deal on a 6 even better!

Moving on my 99 SE cost me about 5200, it had 150,000 miles on it with a new engine and it was mechanically sound. IMO thats way to much for a 98 SE with problems, look elsewhere and find one in good shape. What the dealer has it listed for is well above blue book value i believe. Try to find a private sale somewhere, you usually find the best prices when you do that.

Personally i would not pay above 5500 for a 98 SE.

bpowa 03-14-2008 05:52 PM

jonny "the 4banger defender" comming soon to a theater near you:rofl: j/k nothing wrong witht he SE, but I would only buy one at a very good price as oppose to a I6. yes gas does meigh slightly towards the 4 cyl; but I would consider it more if I were to get 10-12mpg more instead of 3mpg differece.

Scoob 03-14-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 206676)
yes gas does meigh slightly towards the 4 cyl; but I would consider it more if I were to get 10-12mpg more instead of 3mpg differece.

If you put bigger tires on both the 4 banger and the I6 they will both get the same gas mileage, or very close to it.

PbFoot 03-15-2008 05:34 PM

thanks guys. yeah, i test drove an i6 today and definitely noticed the power difference. if i can find a good deal id rather go with the i6 myself.

are there any known issues i should be asking about with the tj? im mainly looking at 98-2004 years. im new around here so i dont know if theres a "garage" section or something with things like that which i might have missed. sorry if i did. :)

this wrangler i saw today the dealer said it needs a new battery. we jumped it with a starter pack and it went pretty good, except that it shut off a couple of times when i stopped at a light. it started right up and went fine when i applied some gas, but im a little concerned that it might be something else besides just the bad battery. any clues as to what else it might be?

thanks again for all your helpful feedback.

richp 03-15-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PbFoot (Post 207038)
thanks guys. yeah, i test drove an i6 today and definitely noticed the power difference. if i can find a good deal id rather go with the i6 myself.

are there any known issues i should be asking about with the tj? im mainly looking at 98-2004 years. im new around here so i dont know if theres a "garage" section or something with things like that which i might have missed. sorry if i did. :)

this wrangler i saw today the dealer said it needs a new battery. we jumped it with a starter pack and it went pretty good, except that it shut off a couple of times when i stopped at a light. it started right up and went fine when i applied some gas, but im a little concerned that it might be something else besides just the bad battery. any clues as to what else it might be?

thanks again for all your helpful feedback.

The newer engines won't run with a bad battery even if the alternator is good. I still advise looking thru craigslist and autotrader. You are going to pay through the nose at a dealer.

Jonny15 03-16-2008 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 206676)
jonny "the 4banger defender" comming soon to a theater near you:rofl: j/k nothing wrong witht he SE, but I would only buy one at a very good price as oppose to a I6. yes gas does meigh slightly towards the 4 cyl; but I would consider it more if I were to get 10-12mpg more instead of 3mpg differece.


:rofl: gotta defend my ride lol. Nah but i know that the I6 is the ideal engine in a tj, and if you can find one for a good price than by all means get it, but i the 4 bangers are usually a grand or so less than 6 cylinders which makes it easy on the wallet, especially for broke college guys like myself, plus its a reliable engine that'll get you where you need to be...i think alot of times people make the 4 banger out to be alot worse than it really is, and thats why i gotta come to the rescue sometimes :D

debruins 03-16-2008 09:56 AM

yeah, i agree stop looking at dealers, go through www.craigslist.org, the prices will be thousands less and less of a hassle b/c they are real ppl who hate haggling as much as you do

debruins 03-16-2008 10:06 AM

idk where in colorado u are but....
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/607282516.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/607410762.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/594736462.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/594416848.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/589131229.html

for a few examples

PbFoot 03-16-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by richp (Post 207104)
The newer engines won't run with a bad battery even if the alternator is good. I still advise looking thru craigslist and autotrader. You are going to pay through the nose at a dealer.

these are cars im finding on cars.com and autotrader. theyre just listed by dealers.

PbFoot 03-16-2008 03:40 PM

thank you for the help, and dont take offense to this, but none of those really looked good to me. all high milage cars, none newer than 98, and still not stellar deals. id rather pay 9-11k for a 2002/2003 at a dealer than buy off of someone private and have no clue what im getting. you know? this isnt gonna be a play car for me, its gonna be my only vehicle, so id rather not get into something with a ton of miles on it.

i did find one that was interesting on craigslist. http://denver.craigslist.org/car/604894103.html well see what happens.

Triple88a 03-16-2008 03:48 PM

That 5 grand rig looks good, its cheap, seems stock and it will give you some left over cash to spend however i wonder why it needed a new motor.

Rickster49426 03-17-2008 03:00 PM

Lots Of Deals Out There
 
There are lots of deal out there, you can afford to pass on this one...

richp 03-17-2008 03:40 PM

OK, I can see where he's coming from, not everybody can look over a Jeep and tell whether it's good or not. He does not want to take a chance on his own judgment from a private seller and he's smart enough to recognize that fact. At least from a dealer there is usually some kind of warranty vs a private seller where 'You bought it now it's your problem'...

MCG 03-17-2008 04:17 PM

One more thing dont go for the miles!! Jeeps run very strong even reaching 140k.
My friends TJ it's a 97 sport I6 and he bought it with almost 135K for about $6000
The point is that Jeep still running as good as new,no leaks,sounds good averall in great shape.
My Jeep it might work as example as well When I bought it it has 99.9k and runs very strong,no problems at all @ 110k.

PbFoot 03-18-2008 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richp (Post 207963)
OK, I can see where he's coming from, not everybody can look over a Jeep and tell whether it's good or not. He does not want to take a chance on his own judgment from a private seller and he's smart enough to recognize that fact. At least from a dealer there is usually some kind of warranty vs a private seller where 'You bought it now it's your problem'...

exactly.

what about this one? 2003 wrangler x, 58.5k miles on it. i6 manual, runs well. has a dent in the front grill, near the hood right in the center plus some paint chips around that area, and one of the doors has some damage to it. dealer "guesstimated" about $1000 to fix the damage. said 10k (my offer before i left) was not enough. theyre asking in the $11,300 range.

theres another one im looking at also. 2002 wrangler x. 64k miles, i6 manual. needs a new battery and possibly alternator. otherwise drove well, but i thought the suspension might have been a little loose/wobbly. might have been the road though. asking price is $11k.

MCG 03-18-2008 04:30 PM

What kind of dealer is it??
Are running a Carfax?

So far the 2003 X sounds like a decent price.

PbFoot 03-18-2008 08:21 PM

its a fairly large mitsubishi dealer. by large i mean they have a good size inventory and are not just a used car lot, if that makes sense.

here are some pictures of the 03, with the damage on the grill. they didnt post any pictures of the passenger side door with that damage.
http://pictures.dealer.com/qualitymi...435aa03aa1.jpg

richp 03-18-2008 08:25 PM

Rule of thumb, any used car is going to take a grand to 'get right'. I'd do all fluid changes at the start, new battery at the start, probably a track bar, people don't grease them enough and they get loose, new shocks and maybe new rubber.
Figure $140 for an Optima Red top, $100 for fluids if you do them yourself, $500 for tires in the 30x9.50 category, I'd probably do a new belt and thermostat too when I did the fluid changes, engine, coolant, transmission, both diffs.
As far as the body damage, new grill ~$150, have a paint shop shoot it based on the vin number or just get it shot black, takes about 2 hours to unbolt the old one and bolt the new one in. The grill is the only one you can't get aftermarket, patent on the design, that comes from chrysler/jeep, at least the last two I had to do on ours.
I'd also pull those funky rocker steps and put real ones on before you rip them off.

PbFoot 04-08-2008 09:43 PM

ok, so i know im probably beating a dead horse here...but its a lot of money and i guess im just looking for knowledgeable opinions.

i spoke to the guys at the mitsu dealership, that green jeep is still on their lot, but they fixed the body damage (said $2k in repairs), and they ended up bumping the internet price to 12,991 (from 11,235 or something). last time i was talking price with them i said 10k and they didnt want to go down that much, so i left. this time i said the absolute max ill go is 11,500. the dude said hell talk to his manager and call me tomorrow.

but what really would be a good price for the car, if they dont go for 11,500? i mean, i really dont want to go higher, but if 12k is still a steal, then why walk away from it? right?

its a 2003 wrangler x, 58.5k miles, 5-speed, green, runs good, in CO.

[TheYJGuy] 04-08-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 206651)
PASS>> I can see it for a I6 but not a 4banger.

x2. Don't waste your coin.

[TheYJGuy] 04-08-2008 10:29 PM

and...If you are buying a Jeep from a stealership, do it at a Jeep/Chrystler dealership. Mitsubishi doesn't know the first thing about a Jeep.

debruins 04-08-2008 10:30 PM

looks good to me id say its a good deal, but not a steal, its all about weather u feel a conectionw ith the jeep though, when i first saw mine when the owners garage door opened up i KNEW i HAD to have it, if you dont feel that you may want to keep looking

edit:
oh wait its a 4 banger?
i thought X's had I6's?


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