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usaf1024 06-16-2012 06:57 PM

Standard or Automatic
 
I will be purchasing a jeep for my daughter. Wondering if I should go with a standard (stick shift) or automatic. Daughter hasn't learned to drive a stick. So should I buy it and teach her or just go for the automatic? My concerns are that she will tear up the clutch or have a wreck trying to figure out what to do..( when she's driving alone) she won't be doing any off road driving, but it would be good for her to learn. By the way, this will be her first car.

Of Course I would have to drive it until she learns... :D I have gotten so excited about buying a Jeep "for her" now, I want one too :-)

The Green Machine 06-16-2012 07:01 PM

Automatic trannies wear out faster than manuals in my opinion. You get more power from a manual tranny, and more control over the vehicle as well.

Jakesdad 06-16-2012 07:52 PM

Ask your daughter what she wants. She'll tell you. Then go buy that. My guess is she'll say automatic. If she says manual then at least she has the ambition to learn to drive a stick and that's important.

BLK00TJ 06-16-2012 10:25 PM

Auto all the way. Manuals suck when stuck in traffic or crawling the rocks. I have a manual and wish it was an auto.

pengintamer 06-16-2012 10:40 PM

Any vehicle ever is better with a stick. You're actually driving vs just being along for a ride. Sadly driving stick is a dying skill as most people these days are just too busy being lazy and talking on their phone while sipping a $10 latter.

Moparman7 06-16-2012 10:49 PM

Auto all the way , both are fun though , that being said auto is all around better off road and city , traffic driving but I'd get the 3 speed auto 02 and back ,, the 4 speed. Auto is not that good .. I've got 193,000 on mine and shifts perfect..

Drakea94 06-16-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakesdad
Ask your daughter what she wants. She'll tell you. Then go buy that. My guess is she'll say automatic. If she says manual then at least she has the ambition to learn to drive a stick and that's important.

Bam this end of thread. . Thank you

usaf1024 06-17-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Moparman7 (Post 2481429)
Auto all the way , both are fun though , that being said auto is all around better off road and city , traffic driving but I'd get the 3 speed auto 02 and back ,, the 4 speed. Auto is not that good .. I've got 193,000 on mine and shifts perfect..

Thank you

usaf1024 06-17-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pengintamer (Post 2481412)
Any vehicle ever is better with a stick. You're actually driving vs just being along for a ride. Sadly driving stick is a dying skill as most people these days are just too busy being lazy and talking on their phone while sipping a $10 latter.

This is so true. Everyone is so busy. Few people want to learn. I can't tell you how many people are surprised when they realize a female can drive a stick. More the reason I want her to learn. She will join the minority of people (specifically women) who can drive anything. With that being said, I want her to enjoy her jeep. Guess I will have to buy TWO keeps and teach her on mine. :-) but only after I hit the lottery...

UnlimitedLJ04 06-17-2012 08:53 AM

if you get an auto, she'll probably be surfing/texting/talking on the phone. if you get a manual, she'll actually have to drive and put the phone down.

T2000J 06-17-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 2482124)
if you get an auto, she'll probably be surfing/texting/talking on the phone. if you get a manual, she'll actually have to drive and put the phone down.


X2 :thumb:

SouthernBred 06-17-2012 09:13 AM

I've got one of each. I like the auto for a daily driver but the stick is more fun to drive. Traffic isn't bad with a stick if you just allow a little more space. My daughter learned to drive a stick in my first TJ and now she would rather drive it than my auto Rubicon. I don't think she will care as long as it's a Jeep.

Dozer13JK 06-17-2012 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 2482124)
if you get an auto, she'll probably be surfing/texting/talking on the phone. if you get a manual, she'll actually have to drive and put the phone down.

x3 to that. With a manual she will be much more focused on driving.

splashy 06-17-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by usaf1024
I will be purchasing a jeep for my daughter. Wondering if I should go with a standard (stick shift) or automatic. Daughter hasn't learned to drive a stick. So should I buy it and teach her or just go for the automatic? My concerns are that she will tear up the clutch or have a wreck trying to figure out what to do..( when she's driving alone) she won't be doing any off road driving, but it would be good for her to learn. By the way, this will be her first car.

Of Course I would have to drive it until she learns... :D I have gotten so excited about buying a Jeep "for her" now, I want one too :-)

I got my stick shift wrangler when I was 18. My dad taught me how to drive it. It was definitely a little stressful figuring it out. The hardest thing for me was learning how to actually get it moving in first gear, after she gets that down, she'll be fine.

I'm 20 now and I'm really glad I got the manual transmission, it's a blast to drive and I don't think I'll ever want an auto trans again!

Harleyrider1108 06-17-2012 09:36 AM

Now, I have an auto after driving a standard for years simply because of commuting. My daughters first car was a standard and she hated me when I pulled up with it. But now she can drive a manual.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think kids first cars should be manual. They have to pay attention to driving.

Lil Red JK 06-17-2012 09:38 AM

As a girl, I need to add my thoughts too. I have to say that my second hand me down vehicle was an 84 subaru wagon. I had no idea it was a stick until the day I got it (my mom and dad had paid for some repairs on it after my brother was done with it and it sat in his garage for a few years). So the next day I had to drive it to Oakland (in Pittsburgh) for my job. I had one day to learn to drive a stick. There are many hills in PGH with stop lights at the top of them so I had to master the stick in one day, not just be able to drive it. What I am trying to get at is if you are buiying your daughter a Jeep, she will drive WHATEVER you get her, and she may cry and whine at first but don't sell her short of her capabilities to learn.

I do whole-heartedly believe everyone should know how to drive a standard. I was in a situation where my ride home from a party was drunk and his truck was a stick, no one else could drive it but me. Thank goodness I learned. I hope your daughter is never in a situation like that. But, the knowledge of driving a stick was a Godsend to me that night.

One more thing, My son is 15 and in a year, he will be driving. We just (in April) had to get rid of my beloved 01 Durrango due to rust (the ugly monster). I wanted to keep that figuring it would be a great "tank" for my son to drive. Well, I have always wanted a jeep and keeping our son in mind of him driving soon, we got a Jeep. A standard. My reasoning behind it is 1) he needs to learn to drive a stick. 2) He needs both hands to drive which means no texting (which is against the law, but, I know kids and adults still do) and no being able to be on the phone while driving. 3) If he wrecks (God Forbid) My hopes would be that it would be off roading into a tree going 5 mph instead of going 80 mph down a 4 lane hghwy. into a telephone pole (because the other vehicle I would have liked to have is a charger-don't hate on me for that). Jeeps are definitely not a racing vehicle, lol.

Well whatever my opinion is worth to you, I hope it has helped in your decision. Sticks and girls are a great thing! Good luck!

PS: if you get a JK standard do your dtr a favor and get rid of that hill hold, it's horrible! There is a thread on here with the process of how to do it. It was the best MOD we did!

JimN 06-17-2012 09:56 AM

All good commentary!! I have a 2006 Unlimited with the 4.0L and 6 speed manual. Love it to death, but honestly, I do VERY little offroading, and my commute to work is all of 7 miles. The Jeep is not my daily driver. My oldest daughter just got her learner's permit, and (gulp, gasp, ack!) I'm sure she'll want to drive my Jeep...cough, hurl, etc. Seriously, we should all know how to drive manual trannies, male or female, and I agree - it keeps you more focused on driving! Whatever you decide, enjoy!

TJspeed 06-17-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BLK00TJ
Auto all the way. Manuals suck when stuck in traffic or crawling the rocks. I have a manual and wish it was an auto.

See I've never had an issue with a standard in traffic. And crawling. 4lo and first and your good! Or 2nd if need be. I love my 5 speed. I've owned 4 cars 1 was on auto and I traded it for the Jeep. I hate autos. There boring to drive less control less power out if them. And from what I've heard the 5 speeds last longer then the autos. And if she learns to drive a standard she can drive anything that's a standard.

TJspeed 06-17-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04
if you get an auto, she'll probably be surfing/texting/talking on the phone. if you get a manual, she'll actually have to drive and put the phone down.

X3. Getting a standard stopped me texting while driving real fast!

Jerry Bransford 06-17-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Green Machine (Post 2480668)
Automatic trannies wear out faster than manuals in my opinion. You get more power from a manual tranny, and more control over the vehicle as well.

Go to a professional rock crawling event where control of the vehicle is their utmost concern and you'll find that they are using automatics. In fact, the two top winners at the 2012 King of the Hammers events in Johnson Valley were running automatics. I've been at volunteer at the KOH three years now and I can count the number of stick shifts I've seen passing through my check point on two hands. Automatics have pretty much taken over such events. John Currie won the U.S. national rockcrawling event's overall ARCA series championship with his Fireant TJ and it too had an automatic.

Power-wise, the automatic's torque converter actually gives 2-3X more low-end torque (power) than you'll get with a stick. True, not a rumor. In fact, there were three huge rock waterfall (dry) obstacles my '97 TJ with 5-speed manual could not make it up with its 4.88 gears and 35" tires. I did that same trail and three obstacles every year and every year I needed to winch myself up them. The Jeep just didn't have the power to get up them. Then I converted from the 5-speed to the 32RH 3-speed automatic. Nothing else changed... same 35" MT/R tires, same 4.88 gears, same lockers (Detroit Locker and No-Slip locker)... and from that point on, I no longer needed to winch myself up those obstacles. The Jeep just scooted up those obstacles after converting to the automatic.

And if you think that's because I don't know how to drive a stick, I've been driving stick shifts for nearly 50 years, learning in the early 60's.

And if you don't believe an automatic gives 2-3X more low-end power, you can read up on the magic of the automatic's torque converter in many websites that explain it. And on the highway, automatics and manuals give the same power if the gearing is the same... and since the locking type of torque converter was introduced to cars back in the 70's, they both get equal mpg and power on the highway. In fact, with modern automatics, automatics can now get even better mpg than a stick shift does.

There are some vehicles I wouldn't own with an automatic... Corvette, Porsche, 370ZX, etc. Nearly any sports car should have a stick shift. But where a Jeep and offroading more difficult trails are concerned, I'll take an automatic every time.

One last thing about the torque converter... it also gives what is effect an infinitely low gear ratio which in turn gives an infinitely high crawl ratio. Which makes doing extreme level trails a joy... which is why it's now so hard to find stick shifts in any extreme level offroading events. Especially if it's competitive.

And if you keep up with Jeeps, you'll see that stick shifts have their share of problems. Can't shift into gear, worn out synchros, grinding, losing a gear, pops out of gear, needs a new clutch, etc. so manual transmissions aren't exactly bulletproof either. In fact, I've had more problems with fewer manual transmissions than I have with all my automatics combined. Both have their problems, neither is 100% bulletproof. But for my TJ, I'll take an automatic any day and every day. :)

Dusty Rhodes 06-17-2012 11:56 AM

I think that a majority of female drivers would prefer an automatic. However I agree everyone should know how to drive a stick. I have two jeeps. One is a stick (compound low SM-420 in a 1966 CJ-5) and the other is an 06' rubicon with an automatic. So I can speak from experience. The auto is a winner hands down. Modern technology allows automatic transmissions to get equal performance and mileage as manual trans.

As far as off road, the auto is a winner for me. Especially uphill. Downhill is a little trickier but the technique is easy to learn. I can stop half way up a very steep, gravel/baseball size rocky hill, and resume the climb with zero effort. Not so easy with a stick.

More and more cars are being made with manual transmissions and in the future, I believe they will be a rarity. If I were buying a jeep for my daughter it would be an automatic for sure.

Lil Red JK 06-17-2012 12:05 PM

"she won't be doing any off road driving, but it would be good for her to learn. By the way, this will be her first car. "

So if she won't be doing any off-roading I still say get her a standard. (Although, once you get her the Jeep, can you gaurantee she won't get a little mud on those tires?) :whistling:

pengintamer 06-17-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Go to a professional rock crawling event where control of the vehicle is their utmost concern and you'll find that they are using automatics. In fact, the two top winners at the 2012 King of the Hammers events in Johnson Valley were running automatics. I've been at volunteer at the KOH three years now and I can count the number of stick shifts I've seen passing through my check point on two hands. Automatics have pretty much taken over such events. John Currie won the U.S. national rockcrawling event's overall ARCA series championship with his Fireant TJ and it too had an automatic.

Power-wise, the automatic's torque converter actually gives 2-3X more low-end torque (power) than you'll get with a stick. True, not a rumor. In fact, there were three huge rock waterfall (dry) obstacles my '97 TJ with 5-speed manual could not make it up with its 4.88 gears and 35" tires. I did that same trail and three obstacles every year and every year I needed to winch myself up them. The Jeep just didn't have the power to get up them. Then I converted from the 5-speed to the 32RH 3-speed automatic. Nothing else changed... same 35" MT/R tires, same 4.88 gears, same lockers (Detroit Locker and No-Slip locker)... and from that point on, I no longer needed to winch myself up those obstacles. The Jeep just scooted up those obstacles after converting to the automatic.

And if you think that's because I don't know how to drive a stick, I've been driving stick shifts for nearly 50 years, learning in the early 60's.

And if you don't believe an automatic gives 2-3X more low-end power, you can read up on the magic of the automatic's torque converter in many websites that explain it. And on the highway, automatics and manuals give the same power if the gearing is the same... and since the locking type of torque converter was introduced to cars back in the 70's, they both get equal mpg and power on the highway. In fact, with modern automatics, automatics can now get even better mpg than a stick shift does.

There are some vehicles I wouldn't own with an automatic... Corvette, Porsche, 370ZX, etc. Nearly any sports car should have a stick shift. But where a Jeep and offroading more difficult trails are concerned, I'll take an automatic every time.

One last thing about the torque converter... it also gives what is effect an infinitely low gear ratio which in turn gives an infinitely high crawl ratio. Which makes doing extreme level trails a joy... which is why it's now so hard to find stick shifts in any extreme level offroading events. Especially if it's competitive.

And if you keep up with Jeeps, you'll see that stick shifts have their share of problems. Can't shift into gear, worn out synchros, grinding, losing a gear, pops out of gear, needs a new clutch, etc. so manual transmissions aren't exactly bulletproof either. In fact, I've had more problems with fewer manual transmissions than I have with all my automatics combined. Both have their problems, neither is 100% bulletproof. But for my TJ, I'll take an automatic any day and every day. :)

Never seen a reply with so much useless, misguided info. Thanks!

98WranglerSahara 06-17-2012 12:18 PM

Buy her a stick. My brother and I learned how to drive manual in our dads jeep up at long beach. Take her somewhere she can put it in 4 wheel drive to get the mechanics down and then let her take it out and drive in 2 wheel. Chrysler is infamous for their crappy auto transmissions so I'm sure the manual will last longer.

Jgood738 06-17-2012 12:21 PM

I'm in the minority of females that can drive a stick. I drove for auto auctions and even rode a motorcycle for several years. That being said my Jeep is an auto. Just a preference. Easier to hold my coffee. Haha
I think it's a great idea to start her out with a manual. Like other posters said, she'll concentrate on the driving.

HarryJeepGuy 06-17-2012 12:38 PM

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There are advantages either way. I'm not a pro-rock crawler or inner-city driver and I love standards, so that's what I got. In my opinion, unless you need an auto, a stick makes you a better driver. I'm a guy though, and science has proved that I'm biased for a reason...

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Lil Red JK 06-17-2012 12:51 PM

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There are advantages either way. I'm not a pro-rock crawler or inner-city driver and I love standards, so that's what I got. In my opinion, unless you need an auto, a stick makes you a better driver. I'm a guy though, and science has proved that I'm biased for a reason...

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dudeinayj 06-17-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pengintamer (Post 2482703)
Never seen a reply with so much useless, misguided info. Thanks!

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Jerry Bransford 06-17-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 98WranglerSahara (Post 2482708)
Chrysler is infamous for their crappy auto transmissions ...

Chrysler's Torqueflite 999 aka 32RH has one of the best reputations, really, of any automatic to have ever come out of Detroit. So good that Ford tried to buy the manufacturing rights for it from Chrysler but Ford backed out after Chrysler wanted too much $$$ for it.

usaf1024 06-17-2012 02:48 PM

Thanks everyone!


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