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GonzoBobH 06-21-2012 10:11 PM

Feedback on the TeraFlex 2.5" Budget Boost & Shock Adapters
 
http://cdn.wranglerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1340321375

Wanted to share some feedback the shop gave me regarding the BB.

http://www.quadratec.com/Assets/Imag...9/75159-lg.jpg

First off, they had a lot of nice things to say about it, liked the quality and fit, etc.

But they did make two recommendations which I wanted to share:

I had him add Rubicon take-off shocks and 18/59 springs. He wasn't too thrilled with the shock adapters and the stock connection, and recommended Bar Pin Eliminators, JKS for example.

http://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/gr...03_chassis.jpg

Also, he said there was some pressure/tension on the track bar and strongly recommended an adjustable trackbar. Here's another JKS shot.

http://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/gr...jks/p_adjtrack

That's all I have. Oh, and it turned out that there were many questionable hand-tightened bolts under there, which he torqued. Go figure.

Cheers.

ESP 06-21-2012 10:52 PM

Did you add those coils to the spacers? Hows your front DS? I'm thinking you could be a good 3" or higher angle in the front.

kjeeper10 06-22-2012 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ESP
Did you add those coils to the spacers? Hows your front DS? I'm thinking you could be a good 3" or higher angle in the front.

:popcorn:

GonzoBobH 06-22-2012 01:01 PM

To be honest, not sure what you mean about adding coils to the spacers.
What coils? (Remember, total newb here.)

The DS seems fine, but I hear ya.
Again, wasn't expecting so much height from a BB.
Definitely need to get the adj. track bar ASAP.

Why, what are you all thinking?

ESP 06-22-2012 01:06 PM

You mentioned in your original post that you put on a 2.5 spacer lift and added 18/59 coils. The coils or "springs" would have netted you a good bit of lift by them selves. Putting these on with the spacers is going to add much more than 2.5" of total height to your lift making you cross over the threshold of tolerance for your drive shafts.

You should watch your front shaft carefully for signs of grease spitting or failure from now on. It's going to fail if you really did combine these.

GonzoBobH 06-22-2012 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP (Post 2502979)
You mentioned in your original post that you put on a 2.5 spacer lift and added 18/59 coils. The coils or "springs" would have netted you a good bit of lift by them selves. Putting these on with the spacers is going to add much more than 2.5" of total height to your lift making you cross over the threshold of tolerance for your drive shafts.

You should watch your front shaft carefully for signs of grease spitting or failure from now on. It's going to fail if you really did combine these.

No sh|t :doh:

And here I thought I was tracking this, knew that more than 3" was problematic, but -- again, blame it on ignorance -- didn't expect the springs to contribute much on a JKU.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...-21-36_349.jpg

So, believe it or not, I was very surprised at the height and was hoping it might all just settle down a bit. (Does that happen?!?)

Here's another thought: What if I added an after-market bumper to the mix? Would that extra weight compress things back into a zone where I don't have to worry about busting a DS?

I just ordered the adj track bar and pin eliminator -- so I'll do what I have to do to make my Jeep right, haha.

snochick 06-22-2012 05:17 PM

What do you mean by pin eliminator?

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by snochick
What do you mean by pin eliminator?

The shock brace, I have been told, will wear, widen and possibly break. I am on my cell right now, but go to the JKS site... It's easy to find.

Vanne 06-23-2012 03:38 AM

Yeah mate, aftermarket steel bumpers will drop about .25 to .5 of an inch depending how heavy the bar is you choose. Careful with your ds'es mate : )

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH

No sh|t :doh:

And here I thought I was tracking this, knew that more than 3" was problematic, but -- again, blame it on ignorance -- didn't expect the springs to contribute much on a JKU.

So, believe it or not, I was very surprised at the height and was hoping it might all just settle down a bit. (Does that happen?!?)

Here's another thought: What if I added an after-market bumper to the mix? Would that extra weight compress things back into a zone where I don't have to worry about busting a DS?

I just ordered the adj track bar and pin eliminator -- so I'll do what I have to do to make my Jeep right, haha.

Yes... That was part of my issue, no weight . TF's coil lift does 3" and 2"
My jeep was popping a squat so I added 1" rear spacers. Now my jeep averages more than 3" and my front DS lost some grease already.

Lift manufactures give you a little more in the front for heavier bumper/winches.
My friend who did 19/60 + BB did AEV's brackets which helped.

I would probably benefit a bunch with some added weight.
You too ESP :whistling:

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 09:27 AM

Great. Now I am subscribed to the What-Happens-to-Your-OEM-Driveshaft-When-You-Put-a-3"-+-Lift-on-Your-Jeep thread. And I am going to search for the Ultimate-bumper thread, or whatever it's called.

Something tells me my wife is going to lose it if a new DS and bumper show up on the porch, haha.

I was originally interested only in something like this WARN:

http://www.quadratec.com/Assets/Imag.../159932-lg.jpg

But will probably check out some full-sized ones now too.

MTH 06-23-2012 09:33 AM

I think all this is a little overblown.

You've got a 4 door. A 3" puck up front isn't going to compromise your driveshafts--I've got a 2.5" coil lift (3" up front, 2" in the rear) with stock bumpers and my driveshafts are fine.

You added some relatively high gauge stock springs too, but, again, you've got a 4 door. What were your original springs? They might've been the same. When I added 19/60s they gave me MAYBE half an inch over my original 17/58s. Almost inconsequential really (hence pulling them out for a real lift).

Just poke your head under the jeep periodically and check your shafts.

I can honestly say I've never heard of someone having driveshaft problems off a 2.5" budget boost. I predict no problems.

pkmcd99 06-23-2012 09:58 AM

The two door jk are affected more by a three inch lift then a four door, so I hear.

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 2505984)
I think all this is a little overblown... I can honestly say I've never heard of someone having driveshaft problems off a 2.5" budget boost. I predict no problems.

Well that's encouraging to hear.

Yea, just gonna stay on top of it and watch out for problems.

Worse case scenario, I'll deal with what happens.

But honestly, the lesson I learned here -- and it is a surprising one for me -- is that it is so easy to get lift. I mean, my original springs were 16/58s, so I wasn't expecting much.

Anyhow, for now, it is what it is. In the mean time, barring some disaster, I am enjoying the lift. I have the quicker discos still to put on, and now have the adj. track bar on the way (and that pin elim, for what it's worth).

Just curious for discussion purposes, but if I have Dana 30/44 right now, is it realistic to upgrade the front axle to something like a 44 or larger up front?!? And the gears would have to match, front and back, no. I really know nothing about this, haha, but an eager to learn.

MTH 06-23-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH

Well that's encouraging to hear.

Yea, just gonna stay on top of it and watch out for problems.

Worse case scenario, I'll deal with what happens.

But honestly, the lesson I learned here -- and it is a surprising one for me -- is that it is so easy to get lift. I mean, my original springs were 16/58s, so I wasn't expecting much.

Anyhow, for now, it is what it is. In the mean time, barring some disaster, I am enjoying the lift. I have the quicker discos still to put on, and now have the adj. track bar on the way (and that pin elim, for what it's worth).

Just curious for discussion purposes, but if I have Dana 30/44 right now, is it realistic to upgrade the front axle to something like a 44 or larger up front?!? And the gears would have to match, front and back, no. I really no nothing about this, haha, but an eager to learn.

Yes on the axle but generally unnecessary, and yes on the gears.

You can also "build up" your d30 fairly cheaply (sleeves, gussets), so generally an axle upgrade is just for the pretty extreme wheelers.

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH

Yes on the axle but generally unnecessary, and yes on the gears.

You can also "build up" your d30 fairly cheaply (sleeves, gussets), so generally an axle upgrade is just for the pretty extreme wheelers.

Even the 44 would benefit from sleeves and gussets. Dem C's is weak :D

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 2506221)
Yes on the axle but generally unnecessary, and yes on the gears.

You can also "build up" your d30 fairly cheaply (sleeves, gussets), so generally an axle upgrade is just for the pretty extreme wheelers.

http://www.quadratec.com/Assets/Imag.../142435-md.jpg

Okay, something like TeraFlex Front HD Knuckle Gusset & Tube Sleeve Kit - copy that.

That sounds like my next move - just for insurance sake.

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH

Okay, something like TeraFlex Front HD Knuckle Gusset & Tube Sleeve Kit - copy that.

That sounds like my next move - just for insurance sake.

Hey nice :thumb:

Throw In some outer seals :D

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/SAG-EV50FSL

rics1997 06-23-2012 08:06 PM

I had the 19/60 coils with 2" spacer. All I needed for that was Cam Bolts and shocks. Didn't need adj. track bar. Not that I couldn't use them just not a have too.

To be honest, I hated the feel up front with this set up. The 19/60 coils are stiff and adding the spacers just seems to make it feeel even stiffer. I also had a popping noise develope in the front end. I ended up taking this out at least up front 1 month later and replacing them with 3" coils. Didn't need anything else since the 19 coils with spacers were a little over 3" anyways.

Much better ride with the 3" front coils then the 19 factory coils with 2" Teraflex spacers. Not saying it won't work, but I bet you will regret it over time. I did. The 60 rear with spacer are just fine. It was the front that was the issue. I got 3" BDS coils for $110 at my local off road shop.

rics1997 06-23-2012 08:07 PM

I added Synergy Gussets to my front D30 axle. Didn't sleeve it though but the gussets are a must IMO if you want to save your C's

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 2507149)
Hey nice :thumb: Throw In some outer seals :D
http://m.summitracing.com/parts/SAG-EV50FSL

http://static.summitracing.com/globa...v50fsl_w_m.jpg

I could venture a guess -- but could you explain the benefits of these? :popcorn:

GonzoBobH 06-23-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rics1997 (Post 2507401)
Much better ride with the 3" front coils then the 19 factory coils with 2" Teraflex spacers. Not saying it won't work, but I bet you will regret it over time.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. And you're probably right -- I am just caught up in the same vicious cycle that many on the forum are caught up in: mod, mod, mod. :D

So far, much fun.

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH

I could venture a guess -- but could you explain the benefits of these? :popcorn:

Keep crap out of the axle tube :)

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rics1997
I added Synergy Gussets to my front D30 axle. Didn't sleeve it though but the gussets are a must IMO if you want to save your C's

What did it cost to have the gussets welded in?

SilverSport 06-23-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonzoBobH (Post 2507477)
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...v50fsl_w_m.jpg

I could venture a guess -- but could you explain the benefits of these? :popcorn:

They go in the ends of the front axle tubes and keep mud, water, sand, etc out of the axle tubes.

Are you running stock Rubi shocks with this BB? You realize the bar pin eliminator doesn't really extend your shocks? Just a different means of mounting them.

rics1997 06-23-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 2507526)
What did it cost to have the gussets welded in?

An hour labor charge which with tax here at my local shop is $75

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSport

They go in the ends of the front axle tubes and keep mud, water, sand, etc out of the axle tubes.

Are you running stock Rubi shocks with this BB? You realize the bar pin eliminator doesn't really extend your shocks? Just a different means of mounting them.

:thumb:

Curious why they did that :confused:

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rics1997

An hour labor charge which with tax here at my local shop is $75

Nice, thanks

Every Jk would benefit. I should get it done :)

SilverSport 06-23-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 2507532)
:thumb:

Curious why they did that :confused:

Me too. :confused:

kjeeper10 06-23-2012 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSport

Me too. :confused:

Wait... That's the rear right?


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