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lovemachine 06-22-2012 07:51 AM

So I'm ready to move up to Synthetic winch line...
 
I'm ready to spend the money for Synthetic Winch line, and I have a few questions.

I was going to choose Warn, but it seems like the majority uses Viking?
What hook do you use?

I have a Warn M8000, and I know I want a 3/8 line, but what length do I need?

How do you attach the line to the winch?

Which fair leads do I need to get?

Is there anything else that I'm missing? What else should I get?

geiman 06-22-2012 08:21 AM

Read this:

Viking Offroad Synthetic Winch Line - 1

It should answer most of your questions. As far as how much line, I'd go for around 80ish feet of 3/8 line. If you call up Viking, they should be able to tell you the exact amount you can get on the M8000, but I'm guessing it's going to be around 80.

As far as a hook, I highly recommend a safety thimble. You can see the thimble on the synthetic line on stu's site in the above link.

The link above shows how the line is attached.

I'd recommend a roller fairlead; it's a myth that the hawse fairleads are needed, and personally I think the roller fairleads are easier on the line. Just make sure your rollers don't have any sharp metal shards that can damage the line. Take some time with a file to smooth them down if needed.

lovemachine 06-22-2012 01:41 PM

Thank you for the link!

dcmtex 06-22-2012 03:45 PM

Why the 3/8 line. Your M8000 should have the 5/16" cable already so why not go with the stronger line?

geiman 06-22-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcmtex (Post 2503539)
Why the 3/8 line. Your M8000 should have the 5/16" cable already so why not go with the stronger line?

Are you saying he should just go with the 5/16" steel cable or the 5/16" synthetic?

It's recommended to run 3/8" synthetic for the extra protection (if you're trying to decide between 5/16" and 3/8" synthetic that is). For one it's stronger, and two it can take more abuse if you end up dragging the line over things as you pull.

Jerry Bransford 06-22-2012 04:59 PM

When buying a new synthetic rope, it's always best to go with a 3/8" to replace the 5/16" wire. While 5/16" synthetic is already slightly stronger than 5/16" wire, it's more prone to damage from abrasion. Going with 3/8" gives an added safety margin that could make the difference if you got into a winching situation that forced you to drag your synthetic rope over something sharp.

Brand-wise, Viking is real hard to beat and it's what I recommend. I've had 3/8" Viking synthetic ropes on two different winches and it's been a superb rope over the years. I'm a big Warn fan but not of their rope which is way overpriced IMHO.

Warn Industries 06-22-2012 05:24 PM

http://www.warn.com/truck/accessorie...etic-rope-.jpg
Take a look at WARN Spydura synthetic rope. 100' of 3/8" rope. Just make sure to get the polished aluminum fairlead, too.

Warn Industries - Winch Rope for Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: Synthetic Rope

- Andy

30-284 06-22-2012 05:35 PM

"Spydura™ synthetic rope must be used with polished aluminum hawse fairlead"

Why?

Donn

Warn Industries 06-22-2012 05:43 PM

The polished aluminum is a smooth surface that helps prevents fraying, etc.

- Andy

cphilip 06-22-2012 07:04 PM

Does anyone know how many feet of 3/8" line will fit on a M8000?

I'm gonna guess 80 feet

30-284 06-22-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warn Industries (Post 2503959)
The polished aluminum is a smooth surface that helps prevents fraying, etc.

- Andy

Even smooth aluminum has to build more heat from friction than a new roller fairlead with metal or teflon rollers.

Donn

dcmtex 06-22-2012 08:22 PM

Learned something as I've been thinking about swapping to synthetic as well.

geiman 06-24-2012 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warn Industries (Post 2503895)
http://www.warn.com/truck/accessorie...etic-rope-.jpg
Take a look at WARN Spydura synthetic rope. 100' of 3/8" rope. Just make sure to get the polished aluminum fairlead, too.

Warn Industries - Winch Rope for Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: Synthetic Rope

- Andy

Are you sure 100' of 3/8" rope will fit on the M8000; according to everyone I know who has one, they can only fit around 80ish feet on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warn Industries (Post 2503959)
The polished aluminum is a smooth surface that helps prevents fraying, etc.

- Andy

As someone representing a company such as Warn, I'm surprised to see such an ignorant comment made regarding roller and hawse fairleads with synthetic rope.

cphilip 06-24-2012 11:31 AM

After some research I got a figure of 85 feet on an M8000 but I think that is "comfortably and best". Not maximum that one could cram on there.

Jerry Bransford 06-24-2012 12:13 PM

Andy from Warn (I suspect it is Andy anyway) wasn't saying 100' of 3/8" will fit on an M8000 because it won't. I'd say no more than around 80' of 3/8" is about right.

On the whole hawse vs. roller fairlead issue, it has been determined that a synthetic winch line requiring a hawse was an old wive's tale. The bureaucracy of Warn, whom I love otherwise, may be why they are still saying their synthetic rope requires an an aluminum hawse.

Roller fairleads, providing their rollers have not been boogered up/nicked/burred/etc. from previous use with wire rope, are definitely more gentle on synthetic rope. If the rollers are boogered up from previous wire rope usage, it's a minor task to smooth them with a file, etc. so they are again smooth enough for a synthetic rope. When I converted to synthetic rope maybe ten years ago, I also converted to an aluminum hawse. Within the year I converted back to my old OE Warn roller fairlead and never looked back. :)

computeruser 06-24-2012 06:00 PM

80' of 3/8 will work fine on an M8000. Hook versus safety shackle-mount thing is your call; I went with the large Gunnebow hook with master link mounted to a tube thimble, and it has worked well for me.

As for the line itself, if you can find someone local who sells/splices ropes, Amsteel Blue in 3/8" can be had for less than $1.50/foot...food for thought.

geiman 06-25-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 2509101)
The bureaucracy of Warn, whom I love otherwise, may be why they are still saying their synthetic rope requires an an aluminum hawse.

I like Warn as well, don't get me wrong; but providing false information bothers me, which is the only reason I said anything.

thejafe 02-14-2013 09:15 PM

Digging up this thread because I'm in the market for some synthetic line for my Warn M8000.

I came across the fairly new Warn M8000-s model online, which comes with 100' of Warn's 3/8" Spydura synthetic. I was always under the impression that only 80' would fit on the M8000, so now I'm not sure if the M8000-s differs in some way to the standard M8000 in order to accommodate 100' of line. To confuse matters more I do see that Warn's Sypdura is available in both 80' and 100' on their site.

So... what should I go with? :confused:

Here is the Warn link:

Warn Industries - Winch Rope for Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: Synthetic Rope

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...25060024_n.jpg

sduncan 02-14-2013 09:37 PM

I bought Amsteel Blue by the foot from here:
Samson Rope Amsteel Blue, Foot | Redden Marine Supply

Bought the Viking Thimble from Viking...

I attached it to the drum the standard way but will soon switch to this winchrope retainer on this site:
OKoffroad - 4x4 Recovery Gear - News 'N Views - 4x4 Accessories

And used this fairlead:
Fourtreks Composite Hawse Fairlead [FOURTREKS-COMPOSITE-HAWSE-FAIRLE] - $49.00 : Pure FJ Cruiser Accessories, Parts and Accessories for your Toyota FJ Cruiser

We did all the braiding ourselves which is actually very simple. Ended up being a ton cheaper than any price I got for any other line.

Shark_13 02-14-2013 09:49 PM

Dang that warn rope is pricey!

Black Magic Brakes 02-14-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sduncan (Post 3370581)
I bought Amsteel Blue by the foot from here:
Samson Rope Amsteel Blue, Foot | Redden Marine Supply

Bought the Viking Thimble from Viking...

I attached it to the drum the standard way but will soon switch to this winchrope retainer on this site:
OKoffroad - 4x4 Recovery Gear - News 'N Views - 4x4 Accessories

And used this fairlead:
Fourtreks Composite Hawse Fairlead [FOURTREKS-COMPOSITE-HAWSE-FAIRLE] - $49.00 : Pure FJ Cruiser Accessories, Parts and Accessories for your Toyota FJ Cruiser

We did all the braiding ourselves which is actually very simple. Ended up being a ton cheaper than any price I got for any other line.

I would encourage you and anyone else looking into a composite fairlead to avoid them with single exception being one that has a lip on the backside that fits into a nicely machined opening in the mount.

You have to remember that at some point, you will encounted enough vertical difference that you will essentially be lifting the front of your rig basically off the ground or even more force than that.

Composite fairleads do not have enough inherent strength across the long spans to withstand flexing and will do so which lets the rope come into contact with the mount which will cut it under load instantly.

sduncan 02-14-2013 10:52 PM

A very good point Blaine...I will be looking at this tomorrow. Thanks for the insight. So far, the few pulls with it have been fairly level but I can see exactly what you are talking about.

Thanks

Black Magic Brakes 02-15-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sduncan (Post 3370812)
A very good point Blaine...I will be looking at this tomorrow. Thanks for the insight. So far, the few pulls with it have been fairly level but I can see exactly what you are talking about.

Thanks

I'm actually surprised they are still being sold. They were all the rage for awhile and then all the cut winch lines started showing up. After they figured out the issue, most of the vendors quit making them because they just aren't worth it.

I had a very cute conversation with a manufacturer the other day. He made a statement about how his aluminum fairleads were the best way to protect your rope possible.

I called him, (I know him) and said I had an idea for a product.

Since a lot of us are weight conscious, we need a product that is lighter so I told him to make a billet snatchblock and instead of a pulley between two swing halves, just machine 2/3's of the pulley into one side of the half and make a swing gate for the other side. That way you eliminate the bearing, separate pulley, the axle and the engineering plus without a steel pulley, it would be much lighter.

He thought for a second and then said he didn't think it would be a very good idea or very good at all to drag a winchline over a pulley that didn't turn.

I then pointed out that he had stated that doing just that with his aluminum fairlead was a good way to do things. More silence and then he said "Good Point".

Jerry Bransford 02-15-2013 12:03 PM

That tickled me greatly, what a nice setup. :D

thejafe 02-15-2013 02:05 PM

FYI... I just got an email back from Warn CS and they are telling me that 100' of 3/8" synthetic line will indeed fit the M8000.

Black Magic Brakes 02-15-2013 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejafe (Post 3372838)
FYI... I just got an email back from Warn CS and they are telling me that 100' of 3/8" synthetic line will indeed fit the M8000.

That surprises me. I can fit 35's on a stock Jeep but that doesn't mean it actually works.

What they are overlooking is what happens on a side pull when the line stacks up. I have never yet seen a winch under load put the line on the drum evenly and I doubt I ever will, so while you may be able to get a 100 feet of 3/8" line to fit, it will not do so under load.

Jerry Bransford 02-15-2013 05:14 PM

Yep the most I'd run on the M8000 is 80'. Get the 100' and cut 20' off & use it for a winch extension. It'd be rare you'd even need that extra 20' though.


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