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67mustang 03-28-2008 08:00 PM

5speed stuck in 4th gear
 
I was driving today ,in 4 th gear went to slow down so I pushed in the clutch and tried to pull it out of gear and it didnt want to come out of gear. I pushed it real hard and it went in neutral but not the neutral where the shifter moves all around.It it stuck in one spot and does not move. I tried everything but its stuck. I had to get it pulled home . Any Ideas.Thanks
97 with 4.0L

richp 03-28-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 67mustang (Post 212470)
I was driving today ,in 4 th gear went to slow down so I pushed in the clutch and tried to pull it out of gear and it didnt want to come out of gear. I pushed it real hard and it went in neutral but not the neutral where the shifter moves all around.It it stuck in one spot and does not move. I tried everything but its stuck. I had to get it pulled home . Any Ideas.Thanks
97 with 4.0L

See if there is any fluid in your clutches master cylinder, it's the small one on the firewall next to the brake one. If not you have a big leak, if there is fluid in it then pump the clutch pedal, hopefully you did not break the shifter forcing it out of gear.

Triple88a 03-28-2008 11:49 PM

it doesnt move even when the engine is off?

67mustang 03-29-2008 12:24 AM

No it doesnt move at all. I checked the fluids under the hood , they are all full. Its just locked up.Running or not.I spoke to my mechanic, he said tt may of brokesome type of pins on top of the trans. But he would need to pull the trans to see.

Triple88a 03-29-2008 12:40 AM

well if it doesnt move at all even with the engine off, it just shows its a tranny problem.. not something else.

67mustang 03-29-2008 12:54 AM

Yes thats what I am afraid of,looks like the transmission must come out.I think I am doing to replace the clutch also my sugessions on a good brand to buy.

richp 03-29-2008 05:13 AM

YOU can pull the shifter from the top once you get the boot off. I've filled them that way couple of times. Did you try pumping the clutch pedal ? Also get underneath and look for any fluids.

WhoahstU 03-29-2008 07:32 AM

yeah try modulating the clutch pedal while trying to move the shifter out of 4th, or even back into 4th.

67mustang 03-29-2008 08:09 AM

Yes I tried it all I also looked underneath and no leaks. I have beat the shit out of that shifter. It is stuck.

Triple88a 03-29-2008 10:51 AM

you can try to see if the shifter it self is damaged as that has some springs and other junk in there that might have came out.. if not then at least you would remove the center console so the mechanic wouldnt have to do it when dropping the tranny as that takes time too.


this is a picture of the B&M short shifter however the stock shifter also has a base like this.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._1994_15402468

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0007-2.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0008-1.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0001-1.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0004-3.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0005-1.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...DSCF0006-2.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...A/DSCF0010.jpg

WhoahstU 03-29-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoahstU (Post 212629)
yeah try modulating the clutch pedal while trying to move the shifter out of 4th, or even back into 4th.

You tried this with the engine running right? Move the shifter when clutch is just engaging disengaging, and feather it around in that area. I know you might say you've tried this exactly, just making sure.

jpdocdave 03-29-2008 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 212583)
well if it doesnt move at all even with the engine off, it just shows its a tranny problem.. not something else.

i agree, hydraulic action of clutch doesn't matter with engine off, shifter should move in and out of any gear when off, sounds like shifter, or internal trans.

Smeghead 03-29-2008 09:53 PM

Sorry for the troubles that sucks. Tell me what the clutch disk looks like when you pull it id be interested. How many miles on it?

67mustang 03-30-2008 03:01 AM

Sure I will try to tinker with it Sunday .The mileage is 114k , now I just bought it 3 weeks ago so I think its never been replaced. Thanks to triple88 pics ,I will try to look into the top of the trans . to see if I can see anything.

67mustang 03-30-2008 10:27 PM

Ok I removed the shifter and was able to look into the top of the trans.It smells burnt and the fluid that I see has a tan color that probably means water in the fluid I guess.But I still was not able to move the shifter into any gear.I hope I am not looking at a new transmission.

jpdocdave 03-30-2008 10:32 PM

sounds like it

Fmaxpa 03-30-2008 10:54 PM

did you try to pop it out of fourth while you had the shifter out I had the same problem before and used a small pry bar to pop it out of gear and back in neutral then put it back together and never had a problem with it again.

Triple88a 03-30-2008 11:39 PM

when you had the shifter off the knob was moving freely?

67mustang 03-31-2008 08:02 AM

When I had it off I used a 1/2 " drive extension to try and get it out of neutral but no luck.And the shifter knob moves freely so the actual shifter is ok, nothing broke or jammed up. Going to work will check back later.

67mustang 04-05-2008 07:46 PM

Ok I removed the top of the shifter and the trans is stuck I did notice the fluid is a tan color and I thought trans fluid is red. I spoke with my mechanic he said it would be cheaper to find a used one than try to rebuild this one.I found a 5 speed out of a 2000 , for $600.00. This jeep thing is costing he some money.Lets see I bought it for
$5500.00 for 1997 jeep with 114k and 4" lift 33" a/t
$163.00 extended flares 6"
$179.00 Nerf bars
$340.00 15x10 after market wheels and tires
$27.00 wrangler sticker
$20.00 spare tire cover
$240.00 for fuel pump
and now $600.00 for used transmission
$298.00 for labor to install trans
$ ? dont know about the clutch until the trans comes out.
$ so far 7367.00 and I drove it for one week.
I think if I have to spend anymore money on this junk its going to be gone. I just wasnt cut out to be a jeep owner. Help...

Barrie 04-05-2008 08:08 PM

I know it seems like it sucks right now but wait till you get it back, it might turn out to be a very reliable and fun vehicle.:D

parrot head 04-06-2008 09:14 AM

:banghead:Once you have driven it for a while with the top off you won't even remember how much money you have spent. Oh, and my own $.02 - no matter what the clutch looks looks when you switch the trans out, replace it, the pressure plate, and the throw out and pilot bearings. At over 100k mi it is a smart move and will save you $$ in the long run.:D

Gnarly91 11-01-2012 05:22 PM

I just had this problem today. '91 YJ..stuck in 4th gear, beating on it forcing it..would not come out of forth. I followed these threads and took off the boot and was just about to take apart the shifter to see what I could see, procrastinating I had a couple of beers and decided to take it out to see if I could pop it loose. You don't have to worry about getting stuck on a hill, you can always drop it down into 4 low. I know I suffered some clutch wear getting it up to highway speed but - I took it down some really rough dirt roads and I hit this really gnarly cattle guard at about 50 mph, while airborne haha I popped it out of 4th back into neutral. There is probably more going on but for now she's running down the road like nothing ever happened.


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