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Brewski 03-31-2008 08:28 AM

Busted slave cylinder
 
well it was a great weekend on the trails. went through two tires, and then busted the clutch slave cylinder on a hefty log. heres the problem: im trying to bleed the system and im not getting any fluid out of the bleeder valve on the slave cylinder. i get some of the air out and the clutch stiffens up and seems fine. then either after driving some or it sitting some, clutch is at the floor, still holding pressure down there but not enough to shift into first when in neutral and stopped. what i think is happening is there is air in the line, and when im bleeding it, its getting some out. but then the remaining air pocket moves down to the cylinder and i loose clutch. PLEASE HELP!!! do i just need to keep trying to bleed it? im lost....:banghead:

richp 03-31-2008 09:46 AM

I've not seen a bleeder on an external, I've heard about them but never seen them. Every one I have had to 'fix' or replace came with a new master, new slave and already filled and ready to go.

Brewski 03-31-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by richp (Post 213435)
I've not seen a bleeder on an external, I've heard about them but never seen them. Every one I have had to 'fix' or replace came with a new master, new slave and already filled and ready to go.

yea that would have been nice, this is just the slave. take the line off and put on new one and bolt up. the bleeder valve is on the side of it

richp 03-31-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brewski (Post 213438)
yea that would have been nice, this is just the slave. take the line off and put on new one and bolt up. the bleeder valve is on the side of it

Well, if you go to quadratec and look they don't sell them as separate items, it comes as a one piece deal. Like I said, I had heard they exist but never saw one. I figure if the slave is shot I might as well do the whole thing and I usually don't need it 'right now' so ordering it and waiting for a day or two is no big deal.
Internals are a different story, when possible I try to convert to an external while I have it all apart. On the ones I buy the hole is there for an bleed screw but it's capped, I've never been curious enough to see if it's threaded or now for a bleeder screw.

IslandTJ 03-31-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by richp (Post 213441)
Well, if you go to quadratec and look they don't sell them as separate items, it comes as a one piece deal.

I've been told the same thing too about the master and slave being a single unit. They are not, you are able to purchase the slave separately!!! Additionally, we did not have to bleed the slave after installation, as it was actually sealed with a bladder (at the outlet where you would normally bleed). No problems after installation, I guess it's because of the short distance.

Jeep hard, Jeep safe!

Brewski 03-31-2008 10:58 AM

the one i bought did have the bleed outlet capped, but the one i took off had an allen head bleeder valve in it so obviously i took it out and put it on the new one. if it is supposed to be sealed how do i fill it up. could i just leave the screw in it and somehow take it off and fill it up before installing??? i bought the replacement from pep boys and it was just the slave. i thought it might come as one system as well, but was proven wrong. any ideas???

Brewski 03-31-2008 11:00 AM

btw its a bitch having to shut it off and then start it in gear at every stop light

rthdtj 03-31-2008 02:20 PM

I would change the clutch master & slave together. Now that the Slave is new, the old Master isn't strong enough to work the Slave......you'll never get a good pedal until you do, trust me on this one.

Brewski 03-31-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rthdtj (Post 213495)
I would change the clutch master & slave together. Now that the Slave is new, the old Master isn't strong enough to work the Slave......you'll never get a good pedal until you do, trust me on this one.

Anyone else have an opinion on this??? Seems feasable, but i am relatively broke and would rather this not be the answer.

Brewski 03-31-2008 04:25 PM

Anyone? Anything? Beuler? Beuler? Im about to get off work and do something about it...

richp 03-31-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brewski (Post 213529)
Anyone? Anything? Beuler? Beuler? Im about to get off work and do something about it...

Like I said before, I always do them at the same time but thats because I have always gotten them as one unit, filled and ready to go, just unbox, uncoil the line and go to town. I guess if you consider them like brakes you don't normally replace the master when you replace a caliper that goes bad.

jpdocdave 03-31-2008 05:26 PM

i've replaced just slave on lots of cars, its pretty weird that you get pedal, and then it goes away. its not a bad idea to replace whole thing, but you don't always wanna replace parts you don't have to yet. are you bleeding it just like you would a brake system? maybe defective cylinder out of the box, happens to me from time to time. very frustrating. i'd try to bleed it till you get nothing but fluid comin out, just like brakes, thats first step.

Triple88a 03-31-2008 06:04 PM

please tell me you've filled it up after you bled it.

slf41002 03-31-2008 06:16 PM

The slave cylinder you bought is it plastic or cast?Either way do not bleed from the bleeder.Take the slave cyl back off and remove the resovoir cap at the top.Make sure the bleeder is tight on the slave cylinder and push the rod of the slave in and out about 10 times and that will push the air out the top and put the slave back on. Just push it in easy to keep from splashing fluid out the top then top it off put cap back on and you should be fine.

slf41002 03-31-2008 06:18 PM

P.S if your slave came with a wjite plastic peice that held the rod in put it back on just like it was after you have depressed the rod 10 times and bolt it back up with the plastic retainer in place it serves as a retainer but also a bushing tip between the rod end and clutch fork.

Brewski 04-01-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slf41002 (Post 213579)
P.S if your slave came with a wjite plastic peice that held the rod in put it back on just like it was after you have depressed the rod 10 times and bolt it back up with the plastic retainer in place it serves as a retainer but also a bushing tip between the rod end and clutch fork.

Wow! Right on the money. I surely owe you a case of beer if your ever in town. I actually cut the retainer strap things off thinking (like an idiot) that it should be like my busted one. :banghead: But im going today to buy another one. Thanks everyone especially slf.

Brewski 04-01-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brewski (Post 213781)
Wow! Right on the money. I surely owe you a case of beer if your ever in town. I actually cut the retainer strap things off thinking (like an idiot) that it should be like my busted one. :banghead: But im going today to buy another one. Thanks everyone especially slf.

well you already are in the area!!! when are we goin wheelin? i got the beer.


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