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YJmaddness 07-10-2012 01:53 PM

should i weld the 35?
 
I am taking a 3 day trip to Moab in a few weeks and I still have my stock axles on my 90 yj with 33s. It has done moab before but I am playing with the idea of welding up the rear end. I am planing on an axle swap.some time in the near future but not before moab. Any thoughts would be nice.

0III0forlife 07-10-2012 02:12 PM

You dont state it, but i am assuming that you are talking about welding the spyder gears? IMO i would say no to that. But that is a choice that you would have to make. It would only take one off camber torque situation when you would need 1 wheel to slip and its gonna cause an explosion in your rear end. Welding the spyder gears is usually what is done for a mud situation not a rock crawling thing. Although having it locked up in an uphill crawl would be a good thing.

C.L. 07-10-2012 02:26 PM

What's your relationship with the skinny pedal?

YJmaddness 07-10-2012 06:39 PM

It is the 2.5 with 4:11gears on 33s so sometimes I do give it the hammer down when crawling to get my tires over some things.
So being off camber will be the death of the axle?

Cons_Table 07-10-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 0III0forlife (Post 2566639)
You dont state it, but i am assuming that you are talking about welding the spyder gears? IMO i would say no to that. But that is a choice that you would have to make. It would only take one off camber torque situation when you would need 1 wheel to slip and its gonna cause an explosion in your rear end. Welding the spyder gears is usually what is done for a mud situation not a rock crawling thing. Although having it locked up in an uphill crawl would be a good thing.

Welding the spider gears would be no different than running a spool...or a rear locker engaged. I know plenty of guys that only play in the rocks that are running spools/welded spider gears front and rear with no issues. Off camber does not become the issue, its the D35/use of the skinny pedal that poses a threat.

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Originally Posted by YJmaddness (Post 2567543)
It is the 2.5 with 4:11gears on 33s so sometimes I do give it the hammer down when crawling to get my tires over some things.
So being off camber will be the death of the axle?

I personally would avoid it, although you dont have near the power behind it. Off camber wont pose as much threat,but the skinny pedal can be your enemy. 33s locked/welded on a D35 is pushing it in most cases. If you are going to haul your rig out and have another vehicle to use as a DD...why not? The worst thing that will happen is you have to haul it home broken and drive another vehicle til u get the axle swapped or shaft swapped. If it is your DD...you are gambling. Also, welded gears are hard on tires if it is your DD.

YJmaddness 07-10-2012 07:07 PM

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I personally would avoid it, although you dont have near the power behind it. Off camber wont pose as much threat,but the skinny pedal can be your enemy. 33s locked/welded on a D35 is pushing it in most cases. If you are going to haul your rig out and have another vehicle to use as a DD...why not? The worst thing that will happen is you have to haul it home broken and drive another vehicle til u get the axle swapped or shaft swapped. If it is your DD...you are gambling. Also, welded gears are hard on tires if it is your DD.[/QUOTE]

It is going to be trailered out and back. I really want to do it just to justify the up grade if it does break. I had a toy in high school that was welded on 37s and never broke but I didn't know as much about that then... and don't know how to compare toy axles to jeep axles. But that's beside the point.
Also I like to gamble and that makes me worried that I will take too much of a risk out there early on and end up with a short trip. I really want to do moab rim and poison spyder trails, I have not done them before and don't know what all to expect.

DirtyRob 07-10-2012 07:43 PM

I weld all of my D35's. Never broke one single axle. I have seen others do it, but I have seen others break 8.8's that are so strong and 14 bolt axles too while wheeling along side on a welded 35 with no issues.
It is all in how hard you are on it.
My idea has always been if you lock it you do not have to beat on it so hard to get up or over something.
I would like to say (and this goes with anything) know your limits, and don't be ashamed to go around or back up and try a different line.

In all honesty, the best traction aid is to air down your tires. I have wheeled some nasty hills and trails with 15-20 psi with no locker and the smallest tires in the group with no issues. Just something to think about, and hope this helps.
Good luck on whatever you decide

YJmaddness 07-10-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by d5string
I weld all of my D35's. Never broke one single axle. I have seen others do it, but I have seen others break 8.8's that are so strong and 14 bolt axles too while wheeling along side on a welded 35 with no issues.
It is all in how hard you are on it.
My idea has always been if you lock it you do not have to beat on it so hard to get up or over something.
I would like to say (and this goes with anything) know your limits, and don't be ashamed to go around or back up and try a different line.

In all honesty, the best traction aid is to air down your tires. I have wheeled some nasty hills and trails with 15-20 psi with no locker and the smallest tires in the group with no issues. Just something to think about, and hope this helps.
Good luck on whatever you decide

Thanks, that actually does help, part of my thinking was the same when it came to not having to use as much throttle if both tires have equal power.

Cons_Table 07-10-2012 09:28 PM

Ive got a buddy that has a tube buggy on 40s that says that it doesn't even feel like u need lockers 90% of the time just because u have so much traction. But as stated above, airing down helps SO much. I just recently installed a locker...and before then I was able to hang with the big dogs just by airing down

95YamJam 07-11-2012 08:10 AM

I run 12psi front and 10 psi rear on non beadlock rims with km2's. I also have a spartan locked d35 with 32" tires. It's my dd thats the reason for the locker vs welded.

I am routinely the smallest tired jeep in the groups i wheel with. I go thru as much or more than they do. The locker makes it so you don't have to beat it as hard to go thru the same things as a non locked jeep IMHO.

I have not broken anything...yet.

WELD IT!!!!!!!!!!

DirtyRob 07-12-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 95YamJam (Post 2569523)
The locker makes it so you don't have to beat it as hard to go thru the same things as a non locked jeep IMHO.

I have not broken anything...yet.

WELD IT!!!!!!!!!!

That is what I was sayin......you will get crap for welding a Dana 35, or even wheeling with it, but If you drive like you have sense it will hold up. if you have 33" tires or less. They do not 35+ tires as with most 1/2 ton (or less) axles do.
My last rig was an XJ with 34x10.50x15 Super swamper LTB's welded front and rear. I drove it to and from the trail for 4 years before I sold it. I only broke u-joints, and hit everything at Uwharrie National Forest forward and reverse


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