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N3M0 07-12-2012 09:27 AM

Let's Talk Recovery Gear
 
:popcorn:

Joining a local club, need straps. Now, I know the difference between tow (static) straps and recovery/snatch (kinetic) straps so let's not get into that :whistling:.

What I would like is some real world experience. What are people using? Should I buy both?

I have narrowed my kinetic strap choice down to either Viking or ARB would I need a static strap as well? Can I pull a broken rig off the trail with a kinetic or no?

Also are kinetic straps really "needed" ? Who has 1 or both types and who likes what better?


:Thanx:

daggo66 07-12-2012 10:00 AM

It's actually pretty simple, but you can't have your question answered without getting into the differences and why.

A recovery strap is for pulling someone out who is stuck. A tow strap is for towing, such as someone is broken down on the trail and needs to be towed back to the trail head.

I always carry both. You should always be prepared in case you are the one stuck or broken down. This way you can make sure that the proper strap is used.:thumb:

ESP 07-12-2012 10:02 AM

So a recovery strap is a?

Static or Kinetic

So a tow strap is a?

Static or Kinetic

lee indy 07-12-2012 10:04 AM

recover = kinetic

ESP 07-12-2012 10:06 AM

ok makes sense, something that is stretching and moving would be used to recover = kinetic and the other is not

lee indy 07-12-2012 10:08 AM

yep. the stretch gives you a sling shot effect.

tabber02 07-12-2012 10:08 AM

i've never seen anyone not being able to be extracted from something with a tow strap...

my 0.02... i know snatch straps are nice to have... but good ones are really pricey.. and again, i've never seen one needed to be used. just limited experiences though..

:popcorn:

daggo66 07-12-2012 10:09 AM

Recovery straps are also commonly referred to as "snatch" straps.

tabber02 07-12-2012 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tabber02 (Post 2574576)
i've never seen anyone not being able to be extracted from something with a tow strap...

my 0.02... i know snatch straps are nice to have... but good ones are really pricey.. and again, i've never seen one needed to be used. just limited experiences though..

:popcorn:

boy that's good english... huh?!? :whistling:

tabber02 07-12-2012 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2574581)
Recovery straps are also commonly referred to as "snatch" straps.

thanks Tom :D

lee indy 07-12-2012 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabber02 (Post 2574576)
i've never seen anyone not being able to be extracted from something with a tow strap...

my 0.02... i know snatch straps are nice to have... but good ones are really pricey.. and again, i've never seen one needed to be used. just limited experiences though..

:popcorn:

wheel more.:hide: it makes a big difference in georgia gumbo. and ive yet to come across something id rather use the snatch strap on than the winch. i love my winch

N3M0 07-12-2012 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2574547)
I always carry both. You should always be prepared in case you are the one stuck or broken down. This way you can make sure that the proper strap is used.:thumb:

Precisely what I was thinking. I will pick up one of each then. Any ones in particular that you could suggest dag?

tabber02 07-12-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lee indy (Post 2574590)
wheel more.:hide: it makes a big difference in georgia gumbo. and ive yet to come across something id rather use the snatch strap on than the winch. i love my winch

fair enough... i bet the georgia clay can be tough. florida sand and swamps are tricky too. no winch for me.. :whistling: down the road maybe...

daggo66 07-12-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3M0 (Post 2574598)
Precisely what I was thinking. I will pick up one of each then. Any ones in particular that you could suggest dag?

You can't go wrong with the ARB recovery strap, but I have heard good things about the Bubba Rope as well.

Get the highest rated tow strap you can find and make sure that it has loops and not hooks. Hooks can become deadly projectiles. It also doesn't hurt to have a set of D rings as well.

N3M0 07-12-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lee indy (Post 2574590)
and ive yet to come across something id rather use the snatch strap on than the winch. i love my winch

no winch for me yet, its on the short list though. I feel like Jeeps are like the "if you give a mouse a cookie" book.

if your not familiar with it, google it :D

if i get a winch, i need a winch plate, mine as well get a new bumper with a winch plate, new bumper + winch makes my front sag, guess ill lift it, now my tires look to small with my new lift, guess ill get bigger tires, now i need a new tire carrier for my large spare, mine as well get a bumper/carrier combo...and so on and so on :rofl:

daggo66 07-12-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabber02 (Post 2574576)
i've never seen anyone not being able to be extracted from something with a tow strap...

my 0.02... i know snatch straps are nice to have... but good ones are really pricey.. and again, i've never seen one needed to be used. just limited experiences though..

:popcorn:

A tow strap will work, but the recovery strap is gooder. ;)

When you yank with a tow strap it is harder on the strap itself and your tow points. The recovery strap aids in the extraction with the force of the kinetic energy.

N3M0 07-12-2012 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2574616)
You can't go wrong with the ARB recovery strap, but I have heard good things about the Bubba Rope as well.

Get the highest rated tow strap you can find and make sure that it has loops and not hooks. Hooks can become deadly projectiles. It also doesn't hurt to have a set of D rings as well.

so a 30k to strap will do? i have heard good things about bubba as well, pretty expensive though.

now, while i agree with the "find the highest rated tow strap" comment, i have heard that with snatch/recovery straps if they are rated too high, they wont stretch properly. is the 17600 lb enough for us or should i go the 24k route?

tabber02 07-12-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 2574624)
A tow strap will work, but the recovery strap is gooder. ;)

When you yank with a tow strap it is harder on the strap itself and your tow points. The recovery strap aids in the extraction with the force of the kinetic energy.

that makes sense. i have seen hop from yanking a stuck rig. :eek: perhaps i should invest in one...

:facepalm:

daggo66 07-12-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3M0 (Post 2574625)
so a 30k to strap will do? i have heard good things about bubba as well, pretty expensive though.

now, while i agree with the "find the highest rated tow strap" comment, i have heard that with snatch/recovery straps if they are rated too high, they wont stretch properly. is the 17600 lb enough for us or should i go the 24k route?

I can't remember which rating I have. I'm pretty sure it's the orange one.

DJL2 07-12-2012 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3M0 (Post 2574625)
so a 30k to strap will do? i have heard good things about bubba as well, pretty expensive though.

now, while i agree with the "find the highest rated tow strap" comment, i have heard that with snatch/recovery straps if they are rated too high, they wont stretch properly. is the 17600 lb enough for us or should i go the 24k route?

Yes, you get into the difference between static versus dynamic loading. For a tiny example, the stuff commonly called "Paracord" or 550-cord has a static load rating of...wait for it...550 lbs. It's dynamic load rating is 168 lbs if I remember correctly. If you're trying to recover or tow a vehicle you can rely on our old Newtonian favorite: F=ma. When you "snatch" a stuck truck, your own Jeep is moving...you're essentially trying to accelerate the stuck vehicle from zero to part of your own speed instantaneously (momentum being conserved and all that jazz). The resulting load is going to be considerable! What a snatch strap does is the same thing a climbing rope does when it catches you - it deforms elastically in order to lower the peak acceleration and peak magnitude of the load experienced. If you "snatch" with a tow strap, things are still going to deform...the difference is, it won't be the strap. This is how things break. The peak load is now higher and, until the strap breaks, it will be transferred to your D-rings, clevis pins, tow hooks, frame, and what not.

The point of all that? A snatch strap is a bit like a spring. If you get one that is too stiff, it is going to resist deformation and transfer proportionally more load to your vehicle and gear and act more like a tow strap in practical application.

wheels082 07-12-2012 10:46 AM

I would highly recommend the Bubba Rope. Also, they are made here in the USA, not overseas.

N3M0 07-12-2012 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels082 (Post 2574689)
I would highly recommend the Bubba Rope. Also, they are made here in the USA, not overseas.

i try to buy "made in the USA" wherever and whenever i can. Viking are also made in the USA. which is why i was leaning towards that one over the arb.

does anyone know any tow straps (static) that are made in the US?

Daniel_M 07-12-2012 10:56 AM

I have my winch and the Rugged Ridge recovery kit. Comes with tree saver, gloves, cable dampener, snatch block, tow strap, and extra d rings.

I am thinking of getting a recovery strap and a stronger tow strap.

-Dan

N3M0 07-12-2012 11:00 AM

now, although i'm not too new to jeeps, i am rather new to recovery...what on earth does a snatch block do?

Daniel_M 07-12-2012 11:04 AM

It is a pulley that allows you to change the angle of the winch line if you can't do a straight on pull and can nearly double the winch's pull capacity.

How to Use a Winch Snatch Block ProMark Offroad Blog ProMark Offroad Blog

-Dan

N3M0 07-12-2012 11:09 AM

thanks dan :thumb:

lee indy 07-12-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3M0 (Post 2574618)
no winch for me yet, its on the short list though. I feel like Jeeps are like the "if you give a mouse a cookie" book.

if your not familiar with it, google it :D

if i get a winch, i need a winch plate, mine as well get a new bumper with a winch plate, new bumper + winch makes my front sag, guess ill lift it, now my tires look to small with my new lift, guess ill get bigger tires, now i need a new tire carrier for my large spare, mine as well get a bumper/carrier combo...and so on and so on :rofl:

i picked up my winch, bumper and mount plate for just under 500 bucks. and it didnt sag the front.

N3M0 07-13-2012 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lee indy

i picked up my winch, bumper and mount plate for just under 500 bucks. and it didnt sag the front.

Oh ya lee? What did you get

Scarlet Begonia 07-13-2012 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3M0

no winch for me yet, its on the short list though. I feel like Jeeps are like the "if you give a mouse a cookie" book.

if your not familiar with it, google it :D

My kids love that series and you are so right! Having a jeep is like that :D

lee indy 07-13-2012 06:26 AM

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pav...jk-164641.html


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