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G-LOVE 07-31-2012 11:44 PM

Rust, clear through front fender.
 
As I am going over my new (to me) 2002 Wrangler, I started picking at the rust bubbles that formed on the passenger fender...well,

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep...0fender-01.jpg

I ended up picking away a good three inches of rust, clear through. Is this worth repairing, or is a new fender easier to paint and throw on?

Also, how common is rust on the body panels? I do live in New England, but, I just wanted to know.

-Jim

roll_me_over_now2001 08-01-2012 02:36 AM

I think it would just be way easier to replace the whole thing. Fenders are easily available. I got alot of my parts from ebay dirt cheap.

JustinCHorst 08-01-2012 07:04 AM

Rust like that is not uncommon when Jeeps arent cared for in states that use salt...more important however is what your frame looks like....I would replace the whole fender and get that cancer totally out of there, but I would also throughly inspect your frame, if there is body rust there may well be bad frame rust as well.

G-LOVE 08-01-2012 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinCHorst (Post 2642241)
Rust like that is not uncommon when Jeeps arent cared for in states that use salt...I would also throughly inspect your frame, if there is body rust there may well be bad frame rust as well.

Interesting you should say that. I did a quick look under the Jeep yesterday, and did find one spot of all the way through rust (about an inch, by 1/2 inch) that was on the box frame near the passenger wheel. I will post some pictures today.

-Jim

JustinCHorst 08-01-2012 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-LOVE (Post 2642254)
Interesting you should say that. I did a quick look under the Jeep yesterday, and did find one spot of all the way through rust (about an inch, by 1/2 inch) that was on the box frame near the passenger wheel. I will post some pictures today.

-Jim


Sorry to hear that...post up pics on here so we can look at it and give recommendations....also inspect the rest ( of the frame) with a hammer and a screw driver for soft spots.

Plowboy1970 08-01-2012 05:52 PM

Did you buy from a dealer?

G-LOVE 08-01-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinCHorst (Post 2642306)
Sorry to hear that...post up pics on here so we can look at it and give recommendations....also inspect the rest ( of the frame) with a hammer and a screw driver for soft spots.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep...0fender-02.jpg

And as the spot on the frame...here she is.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/rust-01.jpg

I checked and the rest of the underside looks pretty good.

-Jim

G-LOVE 08-01-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plowboy1970 (Post 2644509)
Did you buy from a dealer?

No, it was a private sale, and was $2.00 less than the year. :whistling:

-Jim

JustinCHorst 08-02-2012 06:21 AM

That doesnt look good...it is a common place to have a problem however. I can almost guarentee you that you have problems elsewhere. You basically have a few options. Since you purchased this for just over $2000 you arent in bad shape...you can replace the frame, or part it out. Some guys will tell you just to fix it and I guess you may be able to however it wont last long until other problem areas crop up. If it was me, I'd part it out and pocket the extra money or put it towards another cleaner Jeep.

G-LOVE 08-02-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinCHorst (Post 2646178)
That doesnt look good...it is a common place to have a problem however. I can almost guarentee you that you have problems elsewhere. You basically have a few options. Since you purchased this for just over $2000 you arent in bad shape...you can replace the frame, or part it out. Some guys will tell you just to fix it and I guess you may be able to however it wont last long until other problem areas crop up. If it was me, I'd part it out and pocket the extra money or put it towards another cleaner Jeep.

Other problem like this elsewhere? Really?:facepalm: I checked the rest of the underside, and everything else looks like surface rust. I was thinking of a repair patch being welded on, cleaned up and then protected, could save this. Hmmmmm, I would really like to work with this Wrangler.

-Jim

JustinCHorst 08-03-2012 05:37 AM

Sorry I wasnt trying to be harsh its just when I see rust like this on one spot of the frame other spots are usually looming even if not visable right away.

If you want to work with the Jeep then you have two options. Have the frame hole fixed, get a new fender. Clean off the frame( wire brush etc) and por-15 it on the outside, then eastwood internal frame coat it in the inside. This should yield you a decent amount of time before having to do any other work to the Jeep. The other option you have is to replace the frame. You really arent in a bad spot because you didnt pay that much...If I was looking at these two options and wanted a few years out of the Jeep I would go with option 1, its under $500 to fix (mostly man hours).

Good Luck!!!

I should also add...you will want to make sure that this gets washed often in the winter...this is why this problem happend ...harsh winters lots of salt and people dont wash there cars because they know it will get dirty right away...take it through a car wash reguarly just make sure they spray the underbody.


Also...pull your carpet up and take a look at what the floor pans look like, especially in the driver and passenger side front...odds are surface rust or rot is starting there and will be easy to stop and take care of with a little sanding and primer/bed coating.

G-LOVE 08-03-2012 06:19 AM

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/Jeep-03.jpg

Justin, thanks for the advice. I pulled the carpet the other night and found a little rust starting; surface rust really. I pulled the plug and took a wire brush to her, and she's solid. My plan is to wash, prep with Marine Clean, POR-15, paint with bed liner, then buy a set of good quality (deep) mats that form fit the foot wells.

JustinCHorst 08-03-2012 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-LOVE (Post 2649522)
http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/Jeep-03.jpg

Justin, thanks for the advice. I pulled the carpet the other night and found a little rust starting; surface rust really. I pulled the plug and took a wire brush to her, and she's solid. My plan is to wash, prep with Marine Clean, POR-15, paint with bed liner, then buy a set of good quality (deep) mats that form fit the foot wells.


Good call....that doesnt look bad at all....I have been meaning to bedline mine for a month or two now...have the interior stripped out with just deep rubber mats in the front and its not a bad way to go...on the plus side no moisture will build up without the carpet so you wont have to worry about rust again.

It is also nice for when a 5 gallon bottle of water falls over and breaks while you are driving... it goes right out the drain plugs...happened to me this morning:D

patrico 08-05-2012 07:10 PM

your rusty frame isnt too bad. in fact, your frame looks pretty decent. rust in this area is normal and isnt the slightest indicative of issues anywhere else.

my control arm was completely rusted off the frame when I finally got mine fixed.

there are 3 ways to fix it.

find another frame and replace the bad section of your frame with it. this is the best option, and most difficult. good like finding a good frame.

the option I took was to have 4 steel plates cut and welded to the existing frame, one on the inside and one on the outside. this is a very good option. it allows to steel to be welded not only on the edges, but along the bottom of the frame increasing its strength.

the last option works ok. have a c-channel fabricated up and slides over the frame. this option works, but because you will only be able to weld the ends its not as strong as the others. its not good for hardcore offroading.

these guys make the c-channel: This website is currently unavailable.

but like I said, your rust isnt bad, you have a couple of years to think about it.

Leila84 05-16-2013 06:50 PM

Hey! What did you do about the first of these photos? My Jeep TJ has the exact same thing going on. Taking it to someone in the next couple days to get something done for my inspection but would be interested in solutions from other people.

I am on the East Coast of Canada so we have a lot of salt on the roads in the winter and in the air year round! :doh:

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-LOVE (Post 2644655)
http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep...0fender-02.jpg

And as the spot on the frame...here she is.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/rust-01.jpg

I checked and the rest of the underside looks pretty good.

-Jim


RevCo666 05-16-2013 11:31 PM

I had (past tense) the same issue, when I picked up my jeep last summer, I thought my fender was simply surface rust. I've repaired and repainted on previous vehicles so it wasnt an issue for me. But upon closer inspection this winter (as repairing was gonna be a spring time event) I had a closer look and I could almost push my finger thru without effort. So unfortunately this required welding patchs which I don't have the right tools to do or location.

I talked to my local body man who has worked on a previous truck, quoted me 400$ to weld in patches, repaint/clearcoat both fenders. I did the math, two new shipped fenders would run me with shipping 800$ to my location as I live in a remote area. So I got my appointment, and here are the results:

G-LOVE 05-18-2013 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leila84 (Post 3763228)
Hey! What did you do about the first of these photos? My Jeep TJ has the exact same thing going on...
I am on the East Coast of Canada so we have a lot of salt on the roads in the winter and in the air year round! :doh:

I used it as an opportunity to buy a couple tools (Harbor Freight), and learn a little bit. With my $9.00 cut off wheel, I removed enough of the metal around the rusty area. Painted everything that was going to stay with POR-15. Bent a new piece of sheet metal, and welded it as best I could with a $99.00 Mig welder.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/build/fen-3.jpg

Ground down my welds. Then used aluminized body filler (doesn't absorb water) to get my finished corner radius, and fill in any low spots.

Sand... prime... repeat!
http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/build/fen-1.jpg

Masked off the entire fender, then used a can of custom factory color from Napa, followed by a can of clear coat. The color isn't perfect, but it's close enough for me.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/build/fen-2.jpg

Over all she came out pretty good. I can see one small area where the fender flare attaches, that has a little dip to it, but over all I'm happy with how it turned out.

-Jim

yoopone 05-18-2013 06:25 AM

Great job. I really like the way it turned out. My 97 had such bad rust on the two fenders I just replaced them with a set I bought painted off of eBay. But I did a ton of other rust repair on the body and found it to be very rewarding. Yours is awesome, no one will ever notice the color difference if you don't point it out to them.

ROBCAR 05-18-2013 06:43 AM

Nice job fixing it. Mine was so much worse I had to replace both fenders. Your frame is bad in the same spot mine was. I bought the pre fabbed safe-t-cap section from morris 4x4 center for $150 and took about 2.5 hours to install. Gad you didnt part it out. I know a few people that parted jeeps and you end up with about $2000 cash and a bunch of parts no one wants. Not to mention the job it is to try to rip one all apart. Nice job!!

G-LOVE 05-18-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevCo666 (Post 3764223)
I had (past tense) the same issue...I talked to my local body man...here are the results:

That looks great! I may replace the fenders if it comes back in a couple years. I needed the welding practice.

-Jim

RevCo666 05-18-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-LOVE (Post 3769226)
That looks great! I may replace the fenders if it comes back in a couple years. I needed the welding practice.

-Jim

Thanks Jim, I would of done the work myself but sometimes the job demands someone else to do (lack of tools ect) where as I went to school to weld which is the ironic thing about the situation :/ (licensed Welding Fitter)

The only thing I'm peeved about the job the body man did was the color isn't quite perfect match to the faded paint everywhere else(tho he went by the color code so its not really his fault) and a paint blister showed up 7 days after the job was done on the passenger side fender. In the right light its quite noticeable but the guy acknowledged the fact and will try to fix it right once his regular work load diminishes in a few months.

Leila84 05-20-2013 08:12 PM

Both jobs look awesome! :thumb:

I took my Jeep to someone today who quoted me about $400. Also can't seem to get body parts shipped to me without some serious cash. Taking it for a second opinion somewhere tomorrow. If I didn't need it done in time for my inspection (up at the end of the month) I might try and do a bit myself although I haven't got any of the tools I'd like to learn to do some stuff myself!


My grandmother did a basic mechanics course when her kids were all in high school, so I figure with a bit of patience I should be able to learn a little too! :)

Kevbz 05-20-2013 08:20 PM

Look for a Certifit location close to you. I had a quote for fenders, in stock for pick up, for 75.00 each.

Pretty simple nuts and bolts replacement, and paint you can try yourself.

But awesome job on redoing yours to the OP

BPerez23 05-20-2013 08:35 PM

Just did this to my TJ this job is a biiiiiiitttttttccccccccchhhhhhhhhhh! Took me all week between work and school

n00g7 05-20-2013 08:41 PM

3 Attachment(s)
x2 on the good job, though I would have used as an excuse to get non-factory fenders, like the metalcloaks.

Da65vid 05-20-2013 11:11 PM

I needed the welding practice.http://www.usa-nfl-houstontexans.info/28.jpg

Da65vid 05-20-2013 11:13 PM

difference if you don't point it out to them.http://www.usa-nfl-houstontexans.info/28.jpg

G-LOVE 05-23-2013 03:16 PM

Here is a better picture with everything mounted back on correctly.

http://www.fagerquist.com/miata/jeep/build/fen-4.jpg

You can see where the paint is a shade off.


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