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Ottis 08-17-2012 11:14 PM

Tried to get oil change, dealer said no
 
Just hit 1,000 miles on my 2-month old JK sport. Wife took it to dealer for first (free) oil change and they told her no. They said that oil has to "sit in the engine" for 3,000 miles before changing it or it can cause damage. I was traveling so just heard about it tonight. I know people who post here change their oil before 3,000. Comments? TIA.

SilverSport 08-17-2012 11:19 PM

Whomever told her that is full of BS.

NMRubicon 08-17-2012 11:20 PM

Never heard of fresh oil causing damage before? I call B.S.!

dawhitesJKU 08-17-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverSport (Post 2696260)
Whomever told her that is full of BS.

x2!! you can change it whenever u want to. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/how...ne-174625.html

JPi1 08-17-2012 11:25 PM

You don't need to change the oil till the "oil change" message comes on.

Skalve85 08-18-2012 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dawhitesJKU (Post 2696282)
x2!! you can change it whenever u want to. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/how...ne-174625.html

This service tech is the same guy that would tell you "Hope" fills up your gas tank. I've never heard of a min mileage but I don't understand why they would even question you. I mean in the long run they make more money if you do your oil changes earlier.

warbird24 08-18-2012 07:10 AM

BS! On a few items.

One, it's your vehicle, Change oil when you want too.

Two, I just changed Oil at 1500 miles and the filter looked like it had a lot more than that on it. I am glad I did it now rather than waited. Will change again at 3000 and then start 5000 mile intervals, all with a good Synthetic and a good quality Oil Filter.

mcgee10 08-18-2012 08:50 AM

Time for a new dealer. I have shit canned my dealer already. They gave me a story on changing another thing under warranty. Went to a different dealer and he said no problem ordered the part and put it on 3 days latter for free.( My new dealer)

kbwwolf 08-18-2012 08:57 AM

I changed mine at 500, 1500, and 3,000 (went to synthetic @ that point). Guess I'm screwed. :)

UnlimitedRubicon 08-18-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottis (Post 2696241)
Wife took it to dealer for first (free) oil change and they told her no.


I'd have told her no. What is the fine print regarding the free oil changes? Are there no mileage stipulations? If you want to do an early first change, breakdown and pay the $25.


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Originally Posted by Ottis (Post 2696241)
They said that oil has to "sit in the engine" for 3,000 miles before changing it or it can cause damage.


LOL - I'd be tempted to go to the dealer to confront the manager regarding the condescending attitude of his service writers.

LarsA 08-18-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottis (Post 2696241)
Just hit 1,000 miles on my 2-month old JK sport. Wife took it to dealer for first (free) oil change and they told her no. They said that oil has to "sit in the engine" for 3,000 miles before changing it or it can cause damage. I was traveling so just heard about it tonight. I know people who post here change their oil before 3,000. Comments? TIA.

I intend to change my oil at 1K as well (when I finally get my JKUR!), and then follow the normal 3K intervals. Seems to me like this is just the dealership trying to weasel its way out of buying you an extra oil change. Just do it yourself (or have a local shop do it) at your own expense, and then take it back to the dealership for the (free) 3K oil change.

Good luck!

daggo66 08-18-2012 09:13 AM

Just change it yourself.

oilwell1415 08-18-2012 09:38 AM

Yep, do it yourself. 15-20 minutes well spent.

We did 500, 1500, 3000 and switched to synthetic at 5000. Now we do every 5000.

JPi1 08-18-2012 10:07 AM

My 2012 has 4400 on it, and I won't change it until the "change oil" message comes on. I agree, you should be able to say when you want your oil changed, but IMO, all these "break in" oil changes are a waste of $$. That's what oil filters are for. It's funny, lots of guys will change the oil worried about the factory oil being contaminated with casting sand, or whatever they happen to read on the Internet, then go change the oil and screw on a Fram oil filter! About the cheapest pos there is. Use good oil filters, like Wix, and let the jeeps ECM decide when it's ready, based on driving conditions, idling, stop and go, etc.

unethikl 08-18-2012 10:18 AM

if you change your oil+filter often enough, you can use fram :P

although I'd never use fram :D

aha 08-18-2012 10:25 AM

Does anyone know if Jee puts break in oil into our Jeeps? I know some companies specifically put in a different oil to help the motor break in properly. If this is the case then it would be recommended to keep the original oil in the Jeep until the 1st recommended oil change.

SilverSport 08-18-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JPi1 (Post 2697110)
My 2012 has 4400 on it, and I won't change it until the "change oil" message comes on. I agree, you should be able to say when you want your oil changed, but IMO, all these "break in" oil changes are a waste of $$. That's what oil filters are for. It's funny, lots of guys will change the oil worried about the factory oil being contaminated with casting sand, or whatever they happen to read on the Internet, then go change the oil and screw on a Fram oil filter! About the cheapest pos there is. Use good oil filters, like Wix, and let the jeeps ECM decide when it's ready, based on driving conditions, idling, stop and go, etc.

1) I don't change oil early on a new engine because I am worried about casting sand or something I saw on the internet. I do it for other valid reasons. I was changing engine oil before the internet existed.
2) I don't use Fram filters.
3) While the oil change indicator is duty cycle based, it isn't a perfect system. I would rather err on the conservative side.

JPi1 08-18-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverSport

1) I don't change oil early on a new engine because I am worried about casting sand or something I saw on the internet. I do it for other valid reasons. I was changing engine oil before the internet existed.
2) I don't use Fram filters.
3) While the oil change indicator is duty cycle based, it isn't a perfect system. I would rather err on the conservative side.

Like I said, everyone has the choice to change oil when they feel it's needed. I too have been changing oil before the Internet was here, being a heavy line mechanic and shop owner for 20 plus years, drag racing for ten of those. BMW and Mercedes had extensive testing on this subject, long story short: oil at 20k miles didn't show a significant breakdown or have enough foreign contamination to warrant frequent oil changes. And shortly afterwards the ECM was programmed to monitor driving conditions, showing when oil should be changed, and most other manufacturers followed.

Al Nebular 08-18-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottis (Post 2696241)
Just hit 1,000 miles on my 2-month old JK sport. Wife took it to dealer for first (free) oil change and they told her no. They said that oil has to "sit in the engine" for 3,000 miles before changing it or it can cause damage. I was traveling so just heard about it tonight. I know people who post here change their oil before 3,000. Comments? TIA.

When I took my 2012 in for the first complimentary oil change at 800 miles, there was a bit of a discussion with the service writer. He said it was not necessary, etc, etc ... I said, I would like it changed anyway, and the final answer was "no problem".
For a new vehicle, my schedule is to change oil at 1000, 3000, then every 5000 after.

Always remember to recycle your used motor oil.

CG3 08-18-2012 11:41 AM

I guess I'm screwed right along with kbwolf :facepalm: Although I changed mine around about 1k, then 3k.... but now I'm really in trouble.... 'cause I don't pay any attention to the computer onboard.... :nonono: I change it when it needs it... if I'm running fast and hard off road for miles in dusty conditions... I change it (air filter too) when I get home at the end of the trip..... Or lots of freeway miles, loaded with weight - it gets changed sooner.... but if I'm just cruising town/freeway/offroad easy peasy stuff.... well - I might go 3k or there-abouts on that full synthetic oil I give him :p

So - guess I'm kind of an *as needed* sorta gal :flowers:

-JC- 08-18-2012 11:59 AM

I remember a story awhile back about high milage cars and how did their owners care for them. All the vehicles were over 500K, some at 1mil miles. There were some wacky protocals that was for sure, but there was 1 single common thread. They all changed their oil at approx 1-2K mi. That story always stuck with me.

-JC- 08-18-2012 12:01 PM

BTW, for those that haven't tried it, a Wrangler has to be the easiest vehicle there is on which to do an oil change.

kik 08-18-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JPi1 (Post 2696284)
You don't need to change the oil till the "oil change" message comes on.

Not true. Read the manual.

watson 08-18-2012 08:15 PM

why are you guys changing your oil at 1,000 miles?

NMBruce 08-18-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aha (Post 2697156)
Does anyone know if Jeep puts break in oil into our Jeeps? I know some companies specifically put in a different oil to help the motor break in properly. If this is the case then it would be recommended to keep the original oil in the Jeep until the 1st recommended oil change.

There are motors that have this, one was the Honda S2000, is the Jeep engine one?

What could be done, change the filter, since it is what is trapping the dirt and anything else.

But in the end, it's you Jeep, do what you want.

SilverSport 08-18-2012 09:07 PM

From the 2012 OM, page 84. The engine oil installed in the engine at the factory is a
high-quality energy conserving type lubricant. Oil changes should be consistent with anticipated climate conditions under which vehicle operations will occur. For
the recommended viscosity and quality grades, refer to “Maintenance Procedures” in “Maintaining Your Vehicle”.
NON-DETERGENT OR STRAIGHT MINERAL OILS MUST NEVER BE USED.


Lowerumble 08-18-2012 09:41 PM

Was this one of those service contract where all oil changes are free for a specified period? If so, I would say they were in the right denying you an early change. If it was just one free oil change and it was no longer free after you changed it, then yeah they should have just done it when you wanted it, even if it was unnecessary. If you want it changed early and often then I would plan on paying for them. Something "free" normally has parameters and conditions, otherwise people would always take advantage...

JPi1 08-18-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kik

Not true. Read the manual.

The manual also says to take it to your nearest dealer for almost anything. The manual....hahaha

CG3 08-18-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by watson (Post 2698490)
why are you guys changing your oil at 1,000 miles?

My definitive answer:

Because I wanted to, and because I can :rofl:

Or.... because I need practice ;)

:flowers:

btw - have you ever put a few drops of oil on something white (outside of oil filter or?) and shined a light on it in a dark(ish)area?

WXman 08-18-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 2696951)
I changed mine at 500, 1500, and 3,000 (went to synthetic @ that point). Guess I'm screwed. :)

Dear God what a waste of money. Do you buy new shoes every Friday and throw away the ones you're wearing too?

That first startup after changing the oil can do more wear to the engine than an hour trip on the highway. Changing your oil 3 times before you even get to the first real service interval is doing your engine more harm than good. There IS a fine line between going too long between changes and changing too often.


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