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cathellsk 08-27-2012 11:33 PM

Who's happy with stock suspension?
 
I bought my JK roughly 3 months ago. I felt almost obligated to lift/modify right off. It seems its the "thing" to do just because you own one.

I had a Chevy Silverado and two different Toyota Tacomas before this JK and was perfectly happy with them as is. Just maybe a size larger tire and/or a leveling kit at the most.

Is anyone running a stock height JK and actually happy with no desire to lift? Im looking at a set of BFG KM2s in 255/80/17.

BTW...this is my 5th Jeep. Only one, an '04 LJ, was lifted (OME) and that was to run the same height tire that comes standard on my JK. The stock height has always served me well with the right tires, just wanting to hear from some like minds.

pluke the 2 08-27-2012 11:40 PM

we've owned 4 jk's. all drove like crap with stock suspension.

Nols 08-27-2012 11:53 PM

Cat - I got to drive mine today at the dealership as it rolled off the truck (then I had to go out of town...without it), but I was very surprised by it and almost shocked. I was too thinking lift fast and bigger tires, but I think I'm going to run it a bit, let it work out its kinks etc and maybe do a small lift in the spring, but I might just get the 33's and slap them on and call it good for now. I figured the wife would be happy to hear that, nope her quote "but I like them lifted." Knowing me, it will be done by Xmas, but yeah overall kinda surprised by the stock stuff.

SilverSport 08-28-2012 06:13 AM

I added a 2" spacer lift but the biggest improvement I made to the stock suspension was replacing the factory Sport shocks with Bilsteins. Firmed up the ride and reduced body roll and nose dive when braking.

Smitty4x4 08-28-2012 06:39 AM

I am going to get the 255/80 KM2's as well. I may do a leveling kit just for looks. I plan to drive it for a while to make sure I know what I want. So far it has done everything I do stock with the GY SRA's. The only reason I'm even doing anything now is because there are 5 or more like mine in town.

WatchThis! 08-28-2012 08:24 AM

I didn't see anything wrong with the way my jeep drove and performed in stock form. As a mater of fact I loved it when it was stock.

Burkie08 08-28-2012 08:33 AM

There is a fair bit if roll when you hit a bump at highway speeds. I'll probably to a little lift and slap on some 33's in the spring. But it's tolerable for now.

Sgt93 08-28-2012 08:44 AM

I owned a 97 Wrangler which seemed primitive to my 13 Rubi Unlimited. Overall, I'm shocked how much I like it stock. I always tend to get carried away with mods on vehicles. I had an 07 Cummins 5.9 with a KORE Racing suspension which was nice and sucked stock. Also a 2012 F250 with a Carli King Shock Pin-Top system that was the best ride I have ever owned. Stock, the F250 was horrible. I have no idea what I will do to this jeep, but love it the way it is right now.

Con Artist 08-28-2012 09:12 AM

Can't complain about my 2012 Rubicon Unlimited's suspension. Compared to the vehicle I used to drive, it rides like a Bentley.

That being said, I think the ride feels wobbly, jiggly, floaty, and when the roads get rough, it feels "disconnected" with the pavement. This could just be the facts of life with an "SUV" with live axles. My wife's 2012 Forester doesn't exhibit any of these issues, but it's also built on an Impreza or Legacy platform.

The only complaint I have is that I wish it felt more connected with the road or more stable. I don't see how adding a lift and raising the height of the center of gravity is going to help me achieve any of that.

MOPWR2U 08-28-2012 10:42 AM

I bought my current JK with the thought in mind that I would NOT modify it. I've owned lots of Jeeps, with the oldest being a 1956 CJ-5, all the way up to my current 2012 Rubi, and including CJs, YJs, TJs, and three other JKs. All of them have been modified, all the way up to V8 motor swaps, axle swaps, and custom long arm suspensions. I bought a 2012 JK Sport back in April with the thought of doing another build with it. A funny thing happened while deciding on which components to use, ... I fell in love with the way a stock JK drove. I absolultely loved the soft ride, the flat cornering, and the crisp quick handling with those tiny little tires. And it was soooo quiet and soooo smooth on the highway. Who cares if it wasn't as good for offroad, I've got another vehicle for that. After driving the JK stock for five months I had completely changed my mind about what I wanted to do with it. I decided to just leave it stock and enjoy driving it. And with that in mind, I decided that if I was going to drive a stock Jeep, it might as well be a little bit more capable of a stock Jeep. I sold the JK Sport and bought a JK Rubicon. I am having a great time driving this Jeep, and I have no plans to do any mods, except a winch. I've even got two full sets of Rubi tires and wheels to burn up before I have to think about new tires (the current set, and a brand new set of take offs from the last Rubi).

SilverSport 08-28-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist (Post 2732925)
......That being said, I think the ride feels wobbly, jiggly, floaty, and when the roads get rough, it feels "disconnected" with the pavement.......The only complaint I have is that I wish it felt more connected with the road or more stable. I don't see how adding a lift and raising the height of the center of gravity is going to help me achieve any of that.

That's the description I was looking for when I made my earlier post.
Different shocks worked wonders for making my Jeep now feel more stable and planted to the road.

Even though I raised my center of gravity, I also moved the tires out by using rims with less backspacing.

canyonrat 08-28-2012 11:22 AM

Love my JKU stock height. The tires are bigger than what I could fit on my 93 YJ which was stock height also. I drove that YJ off road all over AZ, not extreme trails but lots of sand, rock, and creek crossings. I never needed or wanted it lifted. Now I live in CO and looking forward to hitting some more trails but nothing that requires a lifted suspension.

Watch what some of the stock jeeps in this video are doing, and ask yourself if you really need that lift, bigger tires, or "high clearance" bumper. ;) Most of them are put on for looks, not as an actual requirement. Sorry, hope this does not get me kicked off the forum, but keeping' it real...
China Wall 7.17.10 - YouTube

Plasticpirogue 08-28-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canyonrat (Post 2733263)
Love my JKU stock height. The tires are bigger than what I could fit on my 93 YJ which was stock height also. I drove that YJ off road all over AZ, not extreme trails but lots of sand, rock, and creek crossings. I never needed or wanted it lifted. Now I live in CO and looking forward to hitting some more trails but nothing that requires a lifted suspension.

Watch what some of the stock jeeps in this video are doing, and ask yourself if you really need that lift, bigger tires, or "high clearance" bumper. ;) Most of them are put on for looks, not as an actual requirement. Sorry, hope this does not get me kicked off the forum, but keeping' it real...
China Wall 7.17.10 - YouTube

I agree. This is one of the reasons I get a real kick every time I read about a newbie who has never owned a Wrangler, and they come on here with a laundry list of planned mods just so they can go offroad. In many instances, the stock Jeep is far more capable off road than many people ever dreamed of. Not saying that all of the fancy multi-component lifts and huge tires mounted to expensive aftermarket wheels can't or won't make your Jeep more capable, but in many cases driver skill in a stock Wrangler would do just as well. Disclaimer: I am talking about DDs here, not pure trail rigs.

Macman1138 08-28-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pluke the 2
we've owned 4 jk's. all drove like crap with stock suspension.

I have been happy with the stock suspension on every Jeep I have owned since 1986.

Macman1138 08-28-2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchThis!
I didn't see anything wrong with the way my jeep drove and performed in stock form. As a mater of fact I loved it when it was stock.

Here! Here!

Macman1138 08-28-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Artist
Can't complain about my 2012 Rubicon Unlimited's suspension. Compared to the vehicle I used to drive, it rides like a Bentley.

That being said, I think the ride feels wobbly, jiggly, floaty, and when the roads get rough, it feels "disconnected" with the pavement. This could just be the facts of life with an "SUV" with live axles. My wife's 2012 Forester doesn't exhibit any of these issues, but it's also built on an Impreza or Legacy platform.

The only complaint I have is that I wish it felt more connected with the road or more stable. I don't see how adding a lift and raising the height of the center of gravity is going to help me achieve any of that.

My point exactly.

Macman1138 08-28-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOPWR2U
I bought my current JK with the thought in mind that I would NOT modify it. I've owned lots of Jeeps, with the oldest being a 1956 CJ-5, all the way up to my current 2012 Rubi, and including CJs, YJs, TJs, and three other JKs. All of them have been modified, all the way up to V8 motor swaps, axle swaps, and custom long arm suspensions. I bought a 2012 JK Sport back in April with the thought of doing another build with it. A funny thing happened while deciding on which components to use, ... I fell in love with the way a stock JK drove. I absolultely loved the soft ride, the flat cornering, and the crisp quick handling with those tiny little tires. And it was soooo quiet and soooo smooth on the highway. Who cares if it wasn't as good for offroad, I've got another vehicle for that. After driving the JK stock for five months I had completely changed my mind about what I wanted to do with it. I decided to just leave it stock and enjoy driving it. And with that in mind, I decided that if I was going to drive a stock Jeep, it might as well be a little bit more capable of a stock Jeep. I sold the JK Sport and bought a JK Rubicon. I am having a great time driving this Jeep, and I have no plans to do any mods, except a winch. I've even got two full sets of Rubi tires and wheels to burn up before I have to think about new tires (the current set, and a brand new set of take offs from the last Rubi).

I know what you mean...I love my COD Rubicon!

Macman1138 08-28-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSport

That's the description I was looking for when I made my earlier post.
Different shocks worked wonders for making my Jeep now feel more stable and planted to the road.

Even though I raised my center of gravity, I also moved the tires out by using rims with less backspacing.

Have fun with the Death Wobble.

ronrad 08-28-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macman1138

Here! Here!

I put bilsteins no lift on myself after about 1000 miles on my 12 Sahara. For 1.5 hrs of work and about 350 in parts the improvement in handling is noticeable and a less jarring ride.

SilverSport 08-28-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macman1138 (Post 2733448)
Have fun with the Death Wobble.

I don't have death wobble. But I can only guess you are implying that lifting Jeeps and using rims with different offset will cause death wobble.

Oh wait......owners of stock Jeeps have experienced death wobble.

CombatChuk 08-28-2012 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macman1138 (Post 2733448)
Have fun with the Death Wobble.

Considering you could end up with a death wobble on a stock suspension (If the Steering Stabilizer failed)...

Mike1972chev 08-28-2012 08:56 PM

I just put P285/70/17s on mine with NO suspension mods at all.LIGHTEST spring rate offered.I am doing nothing else and I love it!!!

DonC72 08-28-2012 09:33 PM

I did put on a tiny leveling kit on my 08 jku and am looking for new springs and shocks just because I don't like the rigid feel on bumps, it's too, I dunno, stiff? Maybe I am used to the DD aspect but when I do get it dirty, it feels rougher than remember from my 98. Dunno, still getting used to being in a tank and not my Mazda3speed. Lol

C6Rubicon 08-28-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cathellsk
Is anyone running a stock height JK and actually happy with no desire to lift

I was until I got the 3.5" AEV lift and 35" MTR's. Wish I had done it months ago. The ride and handling is great. :)

Blackpony04 08-28-2012 09:59 PM

I'd love my Jeep to stop wandering when I take it on the highway. I was surprised--shocked actually--that it didn't drive at least 10 times better than my 99 and while I found it improved it still telegraphs every bump and follows every ridge in the road just as bad as the TJ did. Tomorrow I'm taking it's maiden voyage on the 45 mile drive to work after having the 285s and 17x9s installed and I'm hoping I'll be content for the moment considering the Jeep now has more rubber on the road and a little more spread. We're looking at a 2.5" lift in spring so perhaps some better shocks might help too. I wasn't looking for a Cadillac ride and I completely understand the effect a short wheelbase has on a vehicle's ride but I really was hoping for better than I got with the stock suspension.

JeeperJake 08-28-2012 10:06 PM

OP: I've added 30,000 miles to the used 08JK Sahara with stock everything, except an upsized tire Kelly TRS. I like the OEM 18" wheels and will not be changing them. I keep reading my spring rate but forget it soon after, as I have no plans to change.

Given it rides like a hobby horse and handles like a lawn tractor, it still is improvement over my Ram 3/4 t 4x4 pick up. It gives me a smile every time I drive it, which is about 90% of the time on pavement.

cathellsk 08-29-2012 11:23 AM

Thanks for the comments guys. If I had my way I'd go OME again, only problem is finding someone around here I trust to put it on. The place that did my '04 LJ went out of business. I did love the way it rode.

Macman1138 08-30-2012 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSport (Post 2733644)
I don't have death wobble. But I can only guess you are implying that lifting Jeeps and using rims with different offset will cause death wobble.

Oh wait......owners of stock Jeeps have experienced death wobble.

Well...that's what I have read and that seem to be the root cause according to the experts.

SilverSport 08-30-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macman1138 (Post 2740305)
Well...that's what I have read and that seem to be the root cause according to the experts.

The root cause of DW is loose bolts, worn parts, or improper installation.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dia...les-78034.html

MajRager 08-30-2012 07:41 PM

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