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BrentR94 09-03-2012 10:13 PM

Tow Hooks & Front Bumper
 
Hey guys I'm sure this has been asked hundreds of times but I'm a bit confused....
I have a 98 Wrangler. I want to put tow hooks on the front bumper but unfortunately I have those to big rubber things coming out from where my hooks should go because of the frame. The rubber thing rises above the actual bumper so the hooks can not lay flat. Can I shave the rubber part down to be even with the bumper or can I take the rubber things off and relocate them?? Any suggestions would be great!! Thanks for the help!!
Brent

BLK00TJ 09-03-2012 10:18 PM

As you torque down the hooks, the rubber will push down.

Trevor C 09-03-2012 10:18 PM

Post a pic, its hard to understand what your saying.

div4gold 09-03-2012 10:22 PM

I'd take them off and put on the D-rings. If you want to keep the rubber bumpers just relocate them to the center.

lindel 09-03-2012 10:22 PM

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/z...IMGP1251-1.jpg


Like that. As you tighten the bolts for the tow hooks, the rubber will compress and not be an issue.

BrentR94 09-03-2012 10:26 PM

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I hope that is a good enough picture.

BLK00TJ 09-03-2012 10:27 PM

The rubber just squishes down out of the way. D-rings are a pain in the rear to deal with especially if you're in muddy water. Hooks are fast and easy and just as effective in most recoveries. Just don't use hooks on your ropes.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...port/010-1.jpg

BrentR94 09-03-2012 10:38 PM

Yeah I have cable for the hooks with loops already on it.

BrentR94 09-04-2012 08:23 AM

Do u guys know what size bit I'm going to need to get it off? And what size replacement bult should I get?

BLK00TJ 09-04-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BrentR94 (Post 2756350)
Do u guys know what size bit I'm going to need to get it off? And what size replacement bult should I get?

I forget the exact size, but you can take one off and take it with you into the hardware store so you can match the thread size. Get a bolt that is about an inch longer than the stock one and make sue that it is a grade 8 bolt. Anything less and you risk ripping them off during a recovery.

Jerry Bransford 09-04-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BLK00TJ (Post 2755349)
As you torque down the hooks, the rubber will push down.

X2.

Size-wise, IIRC the bolts are 1/2x13 thread, get Grade 8 bolts that are 1" longer than the bolts that are already in there. You need a T-55 torx-adapter bit to get the OE bolts out. Make sure the bolts you get are Grade 8, or at least Grade 5 at a minimum. Standard bolts are not strong enough for use with tow hooks or winches.

BrentR94 09-04-2012 08:56 AM

Alright thanks!!

tbensor 09-04-2012 09:11 AM

I put spacers under mine to make them higher.

Jerry Bransford 09-04-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tbensor (Post 2756484)
I put spacers under mine to make them higher.

Why? :confused: I hope not to simply clear the rubber. That just increases the leverage the tow hooks have over their mounting bolts.

geiman 09-04-2012 02:04 PM

You can easily remove the rubber bumpers. Remove the six bolts holding on the front bumper (four up top, two below), and the bumper should practically fall off. You should now be able to see where the rubber parts bolt up to the bumper.

tbensor 09-04-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 2756514)
Why? :confused: I hope not to simply clear the rubber. That just increases the leverage the tow hooks have over their mounting bolts.

Because they are only there for looks and I didn't want to smoosh the rubber. I only midly wheel and if I ever did get stuck I'd go to the frame if I had to pull from the front.

eboven 09-04-2012 04:24 PM

hmm, seems like you guys have different hooks than I do, my 02 still has the stock bumper, but the tow hooks don't overlap the rubber bumpers, no squishing...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...3/IMG_4684.JPG

Patrick H 09-04-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eboven (Post 2758016)
hmm, seems like you guys have different hooks than I do, my 02 still has the stock bumper, but the tow hooks don't overlap the rubber bumpers, no squishing...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...3/IMG_4684.JPG

Those are the factory hooks.

Patrick H 09-04-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tbensor (Post 2757565)
Because they are only there for looks and I didn't want to smoosh the rubber. I only midly wheel and if I ever did get stuck I'd go to the frame if I had to pull from the front.

They are bolted to the frame, so you would be "going to the frame". Tow hooks just for looks? I guess I don't understand .

tbensor 09-04-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick H (Post 2758048)
They are bolted to the frame, so you would be "going to the frame". Tow hooks just for looks? I guess I don't understand .

Jerry was questioning my use of spacers.

Jerry Bransford 09-04-2012 06:56 PM

Aftermarket hooks extend out past the bumper which will "smoosh" the rubber bumperettes a little when their bolts are tightened down.

OE (factory) tow hooks don't extend out past the bumper so they won't touch the rubber bumperettes.

Both styles are bolted through the bumper to the frame below.

JeepinDave 09-04-2012 07:31 PM

I just removed the rubber pieces. Someone else on here once said the rubber bumpers are how you can tell if the jeep is a girl jeep or not (jeep boobs). Lol, I'm not sure how he came up with that theory though. Anywho, since I saw this thread I just wanted to jump in and see if anyone runs the tow hooks from wild boar? They look awesome!

Patrick H 09-04-2012 11:25 PM

Yeah, I understand all of that. What I don't understand is installing tow hooks "just for looks"

Trevor C 09-05-2012 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick H
Yeah, I understand all of that. What I don't understand is installing tow hooks "just for looks"

Haha that's what I was thinking!

geiman 09-05-2012 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick H (Post 2759799)
Yeah, I understand all of that. What I don't understand is installing tow hooks "just for looks"

Unfortunately there are more than a few that think like that. Someone over on JeepForum (and maybe he's here too, I don't know) mounted some tow hooks into the thin stock bumper and nothing else. He makes the same claim that they are for looks only.

The bad thing is people don't realize how dangerous that can be. They may think the hooks will never get used, but all it takes is one mistake to hurt or kill someone. Say they get stuck and stay in the Jeep while someone else hooks up the recovery equipment. If that person doesn't know the hooks are for looks only, there could potentially be a very deadly situation occur.

To me, it's simple; with something dangerous like recovery points, you either have them or you don't. Don't endanger yourself and others simply because you want to try and look cool. Plus anyone who actually wheels (and knows what they're doing) will take one look at your Jeep and think even less of you for doing so, pretty much negating your efforts anyway.

tbensor 09-05-2012 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by geiman (Post 2760584)
Unfortunately there are more than a few that think like that. Someone over on JeepForum (and maybe he's here too, I don't know) mounted some tow hooks into the thin stock bumper and nothing else. He makes the same claim that they are for looks only.

The bad thing is people don't realize how dangerous that can be. They may think the hooks will never get used, but all it takes is one mistake to hurt or kill someone. Say they get stuck and stay in the Jeep while someone else hooks up the recovery equipment. If that person doesn't know the hooks are for looks only, there could potentially be a very deadly situation occur.

To me, it's simple; with something dangerous like recovery points, you either have them or you don't. Don't endanger yourself and others simply because you want to try and look cool. Plus anyone who actually wheels (and knows what they're doing) will take one look at your Jeep and think even less of you for doing so, pretty much negating your efforts anyway.


I fully expect my tow hooks to be able to pull the jeep out of any situation. I used grade 8 bolts to the frame and yes I did use spacers, but they are out of 1\4 inch steel and are wider than the hooks. My point it I don't plan on pulling from them. That is my choice. I prefer a more secure connection to my vehicle when pulling. My point was I like the look of the tow hooks so I put them on. I didn't put them on for any other reason so they are there for looks. Are they functional YES. So get off my back!

geiman 09-05-2012 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tbensor (Post 2760649)
I fully expect my tow hooks to be able to pull the jeep out of any situation. I used grade 8 bolts to the frame and yes I did use spacers, but they are out of 1\4 inch steel and are wider than the hooks. My point it I don't plan on pulling from them. That is my choice. I prefer a more secure connection to my vehicle when pulling. My point was I like the look of the tow hooks so I put them on. I didn't put them on for any other reason so they are there for looks. Are they functional YES. So get off my back!

I'm not on your back, if you feel that way it's only because you're insecure about something; never did I mention your name. I'm merely stating my opinion, and not just about you; I was speaking in general terms.

I'm not a structural or mechanical engineer, so I won't even begin to tell you that your spacer is unsafe; that's on Jerry. My point about tow hooks that are for looks still stands though.

tbensor 09-05-2012 08:40 AM

Mine are on there for looks but they are 100% functional and in no way unsafe. I agree tow hooks that are not mounted securely are a danger and should not be installed.

Leeroy Jeepkins 09-05-2012 06:46 PM

sooo.... don't use my tow straps with the tow hooks?

Trevor C 09-05-2012 07:24 PM

So anybody ever tried to but toe hooks on the hood? It's just for looks I promise!! Haha just kidding!


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