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Giancarlo 05-15-2008 10:02 PM

Auto to Manual Swap?
 
How much will an auto to manual swap cost?

Smeghead 05-15-2008 10:14 PM

more than taking off all your mods, selling and buying another Jeep i reckon

nicolas-eric 05-16-2008 01:09 AM

hy do you want to do that?
all the others do a manual to auto swap because an auto i much better off the road...

jeeperman 05-16-2008 06:34 AM

Short answer is that you should be able to do the swap for less than $1500 (some will say much less) if you can do the work yourself. You may be able to do it for less than that if you find someone that is looking to do a manual to auto swap, and you can just swap all the parts from one Jeep to the other...

sgnellett 05-16-2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo (Post 229501)
How much will an auto to manual swap cost?

ow much do you have to spend? Cuz it'll likely cost more than that! Whatever you have budgeted, it'll coost 50% more! Don't do it, just buy one w/ a manual!

Jerry Bransford 05-16-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 229569)
hy do you want to do that?
all the others do a manual to auto swap because an auto i much better off the road...

I agree, having just completed my own manual to automatic transmission swap a few months ago. :punk:

wheelin352 05-16-2008 03:28 PM

where you live if its a 6cyl i swap trans with you

Giancarlo 05-16-2008 11:23 PM

i live in new jersey and i wheel on occassion so having a manual will be fine and help my gas mileage.

wheelin352 05-17-2008 12:28 AM

darn to far from me

Lucasbrackins 08-17-2011 10:25 AM

Help
 
I am dong the 4bt swap and have a auto tranny as of now but want a 5spd with my 4bt what will i need in terms of wiring harness/ecm etc. to make the manual tranny ax15 work completly as in clutch saftey switch and backup lights (thats all there is to an ax15 electrically correct?

Jerry Bransford 08-17-2011 10:27 AM

Not sure what year TJ you have but so long as it is a 2002 or older, the wiring harness for the AX-15 is already there. For a 2003 or newer, it'd be a bit more difficult to install as you'd have to do some wiring/connector modifications.

And to me, as one who converted his 5-speed to an automatic for rock crawling purposes, converting from an automatic to a manual transmission is a giant step backwards. Go to any extreme pro-level rock crawling competition and you'll find it very hard, if not impossible, to find any transmission but an automatic. Most experienced offroaders who do the toughest trails convert to automatics, not the other way around.

Ibuildembig 08-17-2011 10:36 AM

Not everyone wants a crawler tho :)

NHWRANGLER 08-17-2011 11:24 AM

autos are sackless in my opinion. dont mean to get anyone fired up. but manuals are fine off road for 90% of jeepers who just wanna have a little fun in the woods and mud. just put in a hand throttle

Jerry Bransford 08-17-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NHWRANGLER (Post 1478873)
autos are sackless in my opinion.

I guess all the pro-level rock crawlers are "sackless" then. :rolleyes: Go to something crazy like the King of the Hammers combination race/rock crawl event in Johnson Valley and see how many are running automatics. In fact, the vast majority are running automatics. The King of the Hammers race/rockcrawl vehicle I had a small part building had an automatic (AW4) transmission.

Ibuildembig 08-17-2011 11:32 AM

compared to tim camerons rigs, yup :)

MikeMTJ 08-17-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig (Post 1478901)
compared to tim camerons rigs, yup :)

I've been watching his videos lately...........that man is crazy.:punk:

Ibuildembig 08-17-2011 11:35 AM

And all the boys down there, no way your gonna make it up cable hill with the slow and deliberate crawling method I can tell you that lol

Lucasbrackins 08-17-2011 12:14 PM

Auto to man
 
I have a 99 4.0l so it almost plug and play minus petals clutch system right?

markzeronine 08-17-2011 12:19 PM

lol the wrangler forum is the only place I've seen anyone without a disability who even want automatics. When I went to sell my tacoma I had so damn many "if only it were manual" reply's.

I had to spend a extra thousand, or even more to get a manual gto. it seems like here is about a 50/50 split. Granted we have almost NO rocks here, but I wouldn't even want to drive an auto wrangler

jameslee97206 08-17-2011 12:24 PM

My jeep was converted from an auto to a manual by the previous owner. I have receipts, he spent around 4 grand. I think he got ripped through.

Jerry Bransford 08-17-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by markzeronine (Post 1479033)
lol the wrangler forum is the only place I've seen anyone without a disability who even want automatics. When I went to sell my tacoma I had so damn many "if only it were manual" reply's.

I had to spend a extra thousand, or even more to get a manual gto. it seems like here is about a 50/50 split. Granted we have almost NO rocks here, but I wouldn't even want to drive an auto wrangler

If I were buying a GTO, Corvette, Nissan 350Z, Porsche, Ferrari, an old Triumph TR-6 like I used to have back in the early 70's, or any other sportscar, I'd only buy any of them with a manual transmission. I wouldn't have a sportscar if it had an automatic.

But for a Jeep that sees really tough or extreme level trails, an automatic actually helps it perform better. Not to mention the little-known fact that the torque converter used in all automatic transmissions gives 2-3X greater low-end torque which can make the difference in getting up an obstacle or not getting up an obstacle. For most offroad trails, it doesn't really matter but the tougher the trail, the more an automatic transmission makes sense.

My previous (stolen) '97 TJ came with a 5-speed manual transmission and it had f/r lockers together with 4.88 gearing and 35" tires. I had to winch it up the same three rock crawling obstacles (dry waterfalls) on a trail I did nearly every year. No way no how could it make it up no matter what line I tried. Few others could make it up those waterfalls either. Then I converted that TJ to an automatic, with no other changes, and it then easily made each of those three rock waterfalls with no winch needed. The only change was converting from the 5-speed to the automatic.

That 2-3X greater low-end torque from an automatic is no jive.

IndyJeepMan 08-17-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
If I were buying a GTO, Corvette, Nissan 350Z, Porsche, Ferrari, an old Triumph TR-6 like I used to have, or any other sportscar, I'd only buy any of them with a manual transmission. I wouldn't have one if they had an automatic.

But for a Jeep that sees really tough or extreme level trails, an automatic actually helps it perform better. Not to mention the little-known fact that the torque converter used in all automatic transmissions gives 2-3X greater low-end torque which can make the difference in getting up an obstacle or not getting up an obstacle.

My previous (stolen) '97 TJ came with a 5-speed manual transmission and it had f/r lockers together with 4.88 gearing and 35" tires. I had to winch it up the same three rock crawling obstacles (dry waterfalls) on a trail I did nearly every year. No way no how could it make it up no matter what line I tried. Few others could make it up those waterfalls either. Then I converted that TJ to an automatic, with no other changes, and it then easily made each of those three rock waterfalls with no winch needed. The only change was converting from the 5-speed to the automatic.

That 2-3X greater low-end torque from an automatic is no jive.

I agree, i have an auto as well, and it is nice having no worry of an extra pedal!

InvertChaos 08-17-2011 12:54 PM

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Let the man do the swap. Its his Jeep not anyone else's. IMO it almost adds to the challenge. Where is the fun in the trail if you can just roll up and over every rock? You might as well be driving down the interstate sipping your Starbucks. I don't hold opinions about people on their transmission choices (that's just dumb) and I can see how in a competition setting it can give you an edge, but for fun? It really is personal preference. Like he said its his DD and wants the extra mileage (its negligible however). I personally love my 5 speed, however I would like cruise control.

For the record, all three of these rigs were manual and running the comp courses at Rausch (I'm sure its nothing compared to out west) without breaking a sweat.

kfdjason7620 08-17-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by indyjeepman

i agree, i have an auto as well, and it is nice having no worry of an extra pedal!

x2

markzeronine 08-17-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 1479051)
If I were buying a GTO, Corvette, Nissan 350Z, Porsche, Ferrari, an old Triumph TR-6 like I used to have back in the early 70's, or any other sportscar, I'd only buy any of them with a manual transmission. I wouldn't have a sportscar if it had an automatic.

But for a Jeep that sees really tough or extreme level trails, an automatic actually helps it perform better. Not to mention the little-known fact that the torque converter used in all automatic transmissions gives 2-3X greater low-end torque which can make the difference in getting up an obstacle or not getting up an obstacle. For most off road trails, it doesn't really matter but the tougher the trail, the more an automatic transmission makes sense.

I hear ya bud, I completely understand where and how an auto can be beneficial. If I did the type of wheeling you do, I'd consider one too. For the way I drive, a manual is exponentially more fun, and it's probably where the original poster is coming from too. It's cool that they made both auto and manual in these things. I know if I ever wanted to go from an auto to manual, I'd probably just sell and then buy... granted I didn't have a lot of work into the auto Jeep

MikeMTJ 08-17-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
And all the boys down there, no way your gonna make it up cable hill with the slow and deliberate crawling method I can tell you that lol

I don't think a 502 Ram Jet is capable of crawling. If you call 30 mph up a hill full of rocks and trees crawling.....

Jeep_VT 08-17-2011 04:44 PM

I wish I had a manual......I don't much like my auto. I don't do any crawling really, and for just offroading, i feel like I would be fine. Sadly, it appears as though it's out of my budget.

Lando25 08-17-2011 04:44 PM

Im also looking into this as well. I don't do a lot of off roading because my TJ is my daily driver. IMO a stick is always more fun to drive than an automatic regardless of what your driving

Jersey Sahara 08-17-2011 05:27 PM

I have a stick in my jeep and it's my first car. I'm only 17 and I love wheeling with the manual I don't ever plan on using anything but a stick I love it

NHWRANGLER 08-18-2011 10:53 AM

im not bashing autos jerry. well not intentionally. in fact i found myself yesterday wiching i had an auto when i smoked my clutch in the woods. poured smoke. whoops. but i lovemy 5 speed. theres no real rock crawling here in nh like there is out there. most ppl just go trail riding on old horse and buggy trails and logging trails. and mud. i agree completely with putting an autoin a rock crawler.


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