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dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:03 PM

Got a Jeep/Need Help
 
Hey everyone I am new to the Forum here
I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sahara. The jeep is all stock. I want to know from the community what can be done to it. I really want to go off roading but I dont want to take it now as is. I feel like I might do some damage to it.

A lot of my friends have been saying to get a lift and get new tires on it
I have no idea what to get and want to know whats good.

Thanks

Big Cole 10-07-2012 07:05 PM

What type of offroading? What is your budget? I would suggest taking it out stock on some mild trails to assess the rigs stock capabilities.

jeepwayoflife 10-07-2012 07:07 PM

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Best thing to do is find an easy trail and wheel it! Work your way up to harder trails and you will see what you need. Might be better tires, a locker, or a lift for better clearence and articulation. Do you know what rear axle you have? Here's a picture if you aren't sure :

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dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Cole (Post 2868966)
What type of offroading? What is your budget? I would suggest taking it out stock on some mild trails to assess the rigs stock capabilities.

My friend has a trail he wants to take me too but said i should get tires and doesn't think ill have clearance in the back, I think ill take it up there and see how far it takes me. and my budget right now is 500$ thanks

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepwayoflife (Post 2868972)
Best thing to do is find an easy trail and wheel it! Work your way up to harder trails and you will see what you need. Might be better tires, a locker, or a lift for better clearence and articulation. Do you know what rear axle you have? Here's a picture if you aren't sure :

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man i have no idea, im sorry ( dont hate on me)
ill hit you up with a private message

TJ 98 10-07-2012 07:18 PM

Preface: Any more experienced Jeepers please correct me, as this is coming from another newbie with no 'hands-on' experience.

There are a lot of considerations when you are planning on going offroading.

One consideration when planning on a lift is your gear ratios. If you get ahead of yourself and put a lift on the Jeep without considering your gearing, you may find yourself having trouble getting up to highway speeds. I'm not sure about the Saharas, as I have only done research on 2.5L's, but you may need to have the Jeep regeared for anything like 33" tires. At that point, you may as well install lockers while you are getting it regeared. A regear job can cost anywhere from $1200 to $1500 for both axels, and lockers can cost $1000 a pop. You're then at about $4000 in preparation for a lift.

As far as lifts go; there are many different brands and sizes out there. From what I've heard, if you're serious about offroading, make sure you get a 'good' lift. Brands like Rough Country and similar may not hold up to what you subject them to. I am planning on lifting my Jeep in the future for the purpose of offroading, and I will be sticking to a brand such as OME or Skyjacker, etc. Depending on the quality and type of kit you get (long/short arm), you can spend anywhere from $1000 - $2000 and up.

Next, you have your tires. I haven't done much research on these, but there are different types for different purposes. Expect to possibly pay $200 per tire and anywhere from $50 to $300 for rims, depending if you get beadlocks or not.

It all comes down to your budget and what you want to use the Jeep for. A serious offroad setup can cost you well over $15000 from what I've seen. As far as what I'm doing, I'm saving up and trying to do things the 'right' way. This will take me a lot longer, since I'm just a highschool student on committing a lot of my money towards college savings, but the way I see it, it'll be better in the long run.

Again, if anyone finds flaws in my comments, please correct me as I am still learning too.

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ 98 (Post 2869004)
Preface: Any more experienced Jeepers please correct me, as this is coming from another newbie with no 'hands-on' experience.

There are a lot of considerations when you are planning on going offroading.

One consideration when planning on a lift is your gear ratios. If you get ahead of yourself and put a lift on the Jeep without considering your gearing, you may find yourself having trouble getting up to highway speeds. I'm not sure about the Saharas, as I have only done research on 2.5L's, but you may need to have the Jeep regeared for anything like 33" tires. At that point, you may as well install lockers while you are getting it regeared. A regear job can cost anywhere from $1200 to $1500 for both axels, and lockers can cost $1000 a pop. You're then at about $4000 in preparation for a lift.

As far as lifts go; there are many different brands and sizes out there. From what I've heard, if you're serious about offroading, make sure you get a 'good' lift. Brands like Rough Country and similar may not hold up to what you subject them to. I am planning on lifting my Jeep in the future for the purpose of offroading, and I will be sticking to a brand such as OME or Skyjacker, etc. Depending on the quality and type of kit you get (long/short arm), you can spend anywhere from $1000 - $2000 and up.

Next, you have your tires. I haven't done much research on these, but there are different types for different purposes. Expect to possibly pay $200 per tire and anywhere from $50 to $300 for rims, depending if you get beadlocks or not.

It all comes down to your budget and what you want to use the Jeep for. A serious offroad setup can cost you well over $15000 from what I've seen. As far as what I'm doing, I'm saving up and trying to do things the 'right' way. This will take me a lot longer, since I'm just a highschool student on committing a lot of my money towards college savings, but the way I see it, it'll be better in the long run.

Again, if anyone finds flaws in my comments, please correct me as I am still learning too.

yeah man thanks for the information i dont want to go heavy heavy into the off roading scene just enough where my jeep can take any punishment from the terrain and ultimately survive and be in 1 piece, i know stock wont last me long

JVLemur 10-07-2012 07:28 PM

When you do lift you don't worry about gear ratio, you do that with tire size, if its completely stock that means it either has the 3.07 or 3.73, 4.10 if a 2.5L or the D44s.
A completely stock rig can do a lot more than you think, take it out, wheel to where you think you can do and bypass what you can't, no shame and sense in damaging your jeep. Also if its the D35 rear be careful as they're not the strongest.
Also on stock gears and suspension you can upgrade to 31s without a problem, it'll be a bit of a dog but its not too bad. I'm not the most experience here by any means but I've done months worth of reading and research on topics.

Neil F. 10-07-2012 07:30 PM

Stock will last you and is VERY capable as is.

fourty4magjr 10-07-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dangelo16 (Post 2869010)
yeah man thanks for the information i dont want to go heavy heavy into the off roading scene just enough where my jeep can take any punishment from the terrain and ultimately survive and be in 1 piece, i know stock wont last me long

You would be surprised what you can do with a stock wrangler with some good tires and skill behind the wheel. I suggest looking at some videos of stock tjs Offroad to see if it compares to what you will be doing and going from there. And just like others said I would go out and do some mild trails with it stock and upgrade from your experiences (if you even need any):thumb: my tj only has a 2" spacer lift and Goodyear duratracs and it has taken me through some crazy stuff! Just something to think about and welcome to the jeep family!!!:wavey:

TJ 98 10-07-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JVLemur (Post 2869036)
When you do lift you don't worry about gear ratio, you do that with tire size, if its completely stock that means it either has the 3.07 or 3.73, 4.10 if a 2.5L or the D44s.

Sorry for going into gear ratios :P Normally when I think of lifting a Jeep, I am thinking of throwing on bigger tires. If the OP was planning on keeping his tires the same size, he could get any size lift he wanted.

Also, regarding the 31's on stock. I have a stock 98 2.5L and when I bought it, it had 31.6" tires on it and runs fine. A lot of highway driving isn't always the best, but I run around 2600 RPM going 60mph in 5th gear.

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fourty4magjr (Post 2869048)
You would be surprised what you can do with a stock wrangler with some good tires and skill behind the wheel. I suggest looking at some videos of stock tjs Offroad to see if it compares to what you will be doing and going from there. And just like others said I would go out and do some mild trails with it stock and upgrade from your experiences (if you even need any):thumb: my tj only has a 2" spacer lift and Goodyear duratracs and it has taken me through some crazy stuff! Just something to think about and welcome to the jeep family!!!:wavey:

thanks for the welcome a lot of people are nice and here and have a lot to say thanks for the info man!

JVLemur 10-07-2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ 98

Sorry for going into gear ratios :P Normally when I think of lifting a Jeep, I am thinking of throwing on bigger tires. If the OP was planning on keeping his tires the same size, he could get any size lift he wanted.

Also, regarding the 31's on stock. I have a stock 98 2.5L and when I bought it, it had 31.6" tires on it and runs fine. A lot of highway driving isn't always the best, but I run around 2600 RPM going 60mph in 5th gear.

Yea I think of bigger tires too but just making sure it's not confused with the size lift when it's size tires that mean reagearing.

I have 31s on my stock gears and suspension, it's the 4L and its a pain in 5th uphill other than that I'm fine with it, I've taken it places I didn't think it would go.

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:41 PM

going to take out the jeep tomorrow and see what it does

thanks everyone

meili34 10-07-2012 07:42 PM

I've got to agree with the other guys here. Do a couple easy runs with it stock. My '97 is bone stock and I was amazed by how well it did. Yea, you can't go rock crawling, but it'll get you through quite a lot.

Once you have a feel for the jeep and what it can do and what you want it to do, you can prioritize the mods...because $500 really won't get you far at all.

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by meili34 (Post 2869086)
I've got to agree with the other guys here. Do a couple easy runs with it stock. My '97 is bone stock and I was amazed by how well it did. Yea, you can't go rock crawling, but it'll get you through quite a lot.

Once you have a feel for the jeep and what it can do and what you want it to do, you can prioritize the mods...because $500 really won't get you far at all.

its a start, but yeah it will be a work in progress i probably should say my budget is more but im starting off with 500 right now

JVLemur 10-07-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by meili34
I've got to agree with the other guys here. Do a couple easy runs with it stock. My '97 is bone stock and I was amazed by how well it did. Yea, you can't go rock crawling, but it'll get you through quite a lot.

Once you have a feel for the jeep and what it can do and what you want it to do, you can prioritize the mods...because $500 really won't get you far at all.

Again agree, you won't do the rubicon, but will still have fun with it, I've gotten my rig to go up places where a JK on 35s got stuck, it's not always the rig but how well you know it and how well you can drive it, the JK driver had just gotten it.
$500 will get you a lift like zone or rough country, not too bad, but not the best, I'd hold off and save that to use on a lift and then tires.

dangelo16 10-07-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JVLemur (Post 2869093)
Again agree, you won't do the rubicon, but will still have fun with it, I've gotten my rig to go up places where a JK on 35s got stuck, it's not always the rig but how well you know it and how well you can drive it, the JK driver had just gotten it.
$500 will get you a lift like zone or rough country, not too bad, but not the best, I'd hold off and save that to use on a lift and then tires.

will do I will save my money thanks everyone disregard the 500$ budget

MississippiDirtTJ 10-08-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil F. (Post 2869041)
Stock will last you and is VERY capable as is.

x2. Dont underestimate it. You'll be pleasantly surprised at where it can go as is

TnDz TJ 10-08-2012 06:29 AM

Just by using sway bar disconnects on the front will be a world of difference... even on a stock rig. They are very capable in the stock form.... it will depend on the lines you take on the trails to challenge obstacles and ensuring you keep all your wheels on the ground.... ( disconnects help a lot in this area )

Wattapunk 10-08-2012 06:30 AM

Congrats on the new Jeep. Like others have stated, take it out and test it. You will be surprised how much a stock Jeep can handle. Unless you can find a good used set, tires upgrade to 31's will pretty much exceed the budget of $500. You will not need a lift running 31's or re-gearing. Don't know what your future plans are with Jeep(offroad vs. DD), Spacer lifts are the cheapest suspension lift that doesn't affect the ride quality. If you can wait and save up, coil spring lifts are the most ideal for improved ride quality and performance, along with the right shocks. You can add a small body lift with the SL if you like, keep it small.(1.25" and less)..Just remember that the bigger and higher you go(32" tires and above), the more cost is involved.(lift,wheels,gears,DS,SYE, etc..etc..etc..never ending addiction)

dangelo16 10-08-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wattapunk (Post 2869941)
Congrats on the new Jeep. Like others have stated, take it out and test it. You will be surprised how much a stock Jeep can handle. Unless you can find a good used set, tires upgrade to 31's will pretty much exceed the budget of $500. You will not need a lift running 31's or re-gearing. Don't know what your future plans are with Jeep(offroad vs. DD), Spacer lifts are the cheapest suspension lift that doesn't affect the ride quality. If you can wait and save up, coil spring lifts are the most ideal for improved ride quality and performance, along with the right shocks. You can add a small body lift with the SL if you like, keep it small.(1.25" and less)..Just remember that the bigger and higher you go(32" tires and above), the more cost is involved.(lift,wheels,gears,DS,SYE, etc..etc..etc..never ending addiction)


thanks man i will keep that in mind

Haze 10-09-2012 07:14 PM

I run 31m/ts on a stock 4.0 tj suspension and it has taken me through all kinds of mud holes and down the beach in the soft sand,all the way to my treestand on lease where jacked up chevys on 37s wouldnt dare venture. Just dont be stupid in it, check your clearance and drive you're in a jeep son. If it gets stuck it can be pulled out, when you start spinning tap the brakes put it in 4lo and reverse out turn your tires side to side and hit the gas, choose a different route and hit it again (preferably in 4hi). Take that 500 save it for tires, let the top down and go pickup some girls (tj has served way better as a chick mag than a trail warrior.

Jeffreybomb 10-09-2012 07:26 PM

TJ98 speaks the truth. I'll add that while I was planning out the underside of my TJ, I realized there was a lot more to it than just picking new tires. I still have to get my CV drive shaft replaced for a smoother ride.

And, as others have mentioned, a stock TJ is very capable. Most clubs require safety gear before you're allowed to head out with them, but it's relatively cheap stuff that's easy to get a hold of quickly (by the way, it's worthwhile to hit this section of the forum if you're looking for more experienced Jeepers and clubs to head out with).

If you're just itching to "do stuff" to your Jeep, consider upgrading various little things, be it cosmetic or whatever. I ordered small parts to keep myself busy while I plugged away savings for the lift, wheels, and tires.

I also decided to pop off my fender flares and paint them, though I didn't actually get around to doing it until after I had the new suspension. D'oh! Total cost on that was $28: $18 for the 8mm ratchet wrench and $10 for two cans of Krylon Fusion black paint.

There's nothing wrong with being eager (it took every ounce of will power I had to save until I was ready). Just make certain what you get is really what you want or you'll be spending more money on do-overs.

Good luck!


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